RN Technician Barred from Wearing Fatigues on Virgin Flight
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mph1977 said:
Exactly
also for a long long time wearing Uniform on the UK mainland when you didn't have to was very much frowned upon that's the legacy of PIRA activities, however even in Garrisons towns or RAF Lincolnshire this has made service personnel less visible
given the subject of the story is a matelot surely she'd be travelling in blues if wearing rig to travel was the order of the day ...
it's also generally not custom and practice to travel in uniform when off duty for any uniformed organisation in the UK - even when travelling directly to or from a place of work ... in fact some employers ( especially the NHS ) explicitly forbid it and plod / trumpton seem to commute in 'half blues' - which for plod may have very good reason if PPE / airwave terminal / officer safety equipment are secured at the office in line with force policies ...
she was wearing it for whatever reason. The jumped up prick that told her to take it off is the problem not her for wearing it.also for a long long time wearing Uniform on the UK mainland when you didn't have to was very much frowned upon that's the legacy of PIRA activities, however even in Garrisons towns or RAF Lincolnshire this has made service personnel less visible
given the subject of the story is a matelot surely she'd be travelling in blues if wearing rig to travel was the order of the day ...
it's also generally not custom and practice to travel in uniform when off duty for any uniformed organisation in the UK - even when travelling directly to or from a place of work ... in fact some employers ( especially the NHS ) explicitly forbid it and plod / trumpton seem to commute in 'half blues' - which for plod may have very good reason if PPE / airwave terminal / officer safety equipment are secured at the office in line with force policies ...
Fat Fairy said:
Jessicus said:
When I had a US Military ID I made sure that it was visible on flights for this reason - you get excellent treatment in the US if you have a connection to the military. Oddly enough I always found exactly the opposite in the UK.
If you dig, you'll find GB has always been closet anti-military (except for WW1 and 2, and the 'citizen armies'). Its a little depressing.poo at Paul's said:
My own experience of virgin Atlantic is either amazing service or absolute horror show. Nothing in between I'm afraid.
I don't know how Virgin Atlantic have managed to get the 'halo' image that they seem to have. Everything works fine, as long as you never need to interact with ANY of their staff at any point - which is sadly unavoidable.Deva Link said:
poo at Paul's said:
My own experience of virgin Atlantic is either amazing service or absolute horror show. Nothing in between I'm afraid.
I don't know how Virgin Atlantic have managed to get the 'halo' image that they seem to have. Everything works fine, as long as you never need to interact with ANY of their staff at any point - which is sadly unavoidable.[quote]
it's also generally not custom and practice to travel in uniform when off duty for any uniformed organisation in the UK - even when travelling directly to or from a place of work
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Incorrect, in at least some cases.
I've been pulled to one side and given a talking to for NOT travelling in uniform.
RAF top brass released a bulletin a few years back that their policy had shifted and travelling to work and being seen in public in uniform was to be encouraged. It was then disseminated at station level where I work that people travelling in were "expected" to commute in uniform.
Some, including me, still choose to travel in civvie clothing, but it's certainly not policy across all the forces to do so.
I can't see any reason why she should have not been allowed to fly in uniform. In fact it may have been required by those receiving her at the other end that she arrive in uniform. It seems to me that the person in question had some sort of anti-forces agenda, seen as its not company policy, but that is speculation, of course,
it's also generally not custom and practice to travel in uniform when off duty for any uniformed organisation in the UK - even when travelling directly to or from a place of work
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Incorrect, in at least some cases.
I've been pulled to one side and given a talking to for NOT travelling in uniform.
RAF top brass released a bulletin a few years back that their policy had shifted and travelling to work and being seen in public in uniform was to be encouraged. It was then disseminated at station level where I work that people travelling in were "expected" to commute in uniform.
Some, including me, still choose to travel in civvie clothing, but it's certainly not policy across all the forces to do so.
I can't see any reason why she should have not been allowed to fly in uniform. In fact it may have been required by those receiving her at the other end that she arrive in uniform. It seems to me that the person in question had some sort of anti-forces agenda, seen as its not company policy, but that is speculation, of course,
Deva Link said:
poo at Paul's said:
My own experience of virgin Atlantic is either amazing service or absolute horror show. Nothing in between I'm afraid.
I don't know how Virgin Atlantic have managed to get the 'halo' image that they seem to have. Everything works fine, as long as you never need to interact with ANY of their staff at any point - which is sadly unavoidable.
t. This is only balanced by the fact they seemed happy to pile as much booze into me as I politely asked for.Pesty said:
she was wearing it for whatever reason. The jumped up prick that told her to take it off is the problem not her for wearing it.
Correct. I was in the RAF & as previously posted preferred not to wear uniform when not at work BUT surely she can chose to wear it if she wants to.When flying anywhere civair we are told from the powers above that we should be discreet as possible including not taking Bergens/camouflaged day sacks. So I find it very strange that she would choose to travel in any uniform.
As to the comment about jumping the lines at customs and the like in the US most airports actually have a military line which as long as you flash your ID you have no issues in civilian attire.
As to the comment about jumping the lines at customs and the like in the US most airports actually have a military line which as long as you flash your ID you have no issues in civilian attire.
mph1977 said:
Exactly
also for a long long time wearing Uniform on the UK mainland when you didn't have to was very much frowned upon that's the legacy of PIRA activities, however even in Garrisons towns or RAF Lincolnshire this has made service personnel less visible
given the subject of the story is a matelot surely she'd be travelling in blues if wearing rig to travel was the order of the day ...
it's also generally not custom and practice to travel in uniform when off duty for any uniformed organisation in the UK - even when travelling directly to or from a place of work ... in fact some employers ( especially the NHS ) explicitly forbid it and plod / trumpton seem to commute in 'half blues' - which for plod may have very good reason if PPE / airwave terminal / officer safety equipment are secured at the office in line with force policies ...
UK Armed Forces policy is that personnel are encouraged to travel in uniform. PIRA threat is virtually nil.also for a long long time wearing Uniform on the UK mainland when you didn't have to was very much frowned upon that's the legacy of PIRA activities, however even in Garrisons towns or RAF Lincolnshire this has made service personnel less visible
given the subject of the story is a matelot surely she'd be travelling in blues if wearing rig to travel was the order of the day ...
it's also generally not custom and practice to travel in uniform when off duty for any uniformed organisation in the UK - even when travelling directly to or from a place of work ... in fact some employers ( especially the NHS ) explicitly forbid it and plod / trumpton seem to commute in 'half blues' - which for plod may have very good reason if PPE / airwave terminal / officer safety equipment are secured at the office in line with force policies ...
Getragdogleg said:
bga said:
You would have to be a moron to not get the insinuation.
Ok, so for the sake of this discussion there was an insinuation, So what ?Are we not allowed to comment that if the G4S guard was a paid up member of the big beard, prays a lot club we cannot speculate that he might have decided to cause some trouble for someone who he feels is against his beliefs ? .
ben_h100 said:
UK Armed Forces policy is that personnel are encouraged to travel in uniform.
One large part of me agrees with this wholeheartedly - although I don't think they mean international travel But
ben_h100 said:
PIRA threat is virtually nil.
Au Contraire ....Maybe not PIRA, but the other minor flavour variations haven't gone away
To quote one G. Adams
Deva Link said:
I agree with the thoughts of others who have pointed out the armed forces are treated very differently in the US so can only assume she travelled in uniform to gain the benefit of that.
But like I said the benefits are all related to the ID card so no reason to travel in rig. The only thing you get is people walking up to you asking to shake your hand.ecsrobin said:
The only thing you get is people walking up to you asking to shake your hand.
...you can see they (the military guys) love that when it happens, and I can well imagine a Brit would be excited to be part of that.I've seen their offer to pay for coffee etc waved away too.
I gather the adulation in America isn't universal but I've seen it first hand in Florida and California.
Deva Link said:
...you can see they (the military guys) love that when it happens, and I can well imagine a Brit would be excited to be part of that.
I've seen their offer to pay for coffee etc waved away too.
I gather the adulation in America isn't universal but I've seen it first hand in Florida and California.
I have been on the receiving end of that in California and Detroit and almost find it embarrassing. I am a cog in a wheel yet the US citizens feel like I am a 1 man army. I've seen their offer to pay for coffee etc waved away too.
I gather the adulation in America isn't universal but I've seen it first hand in Florida and California.
I just do not see why she would travel in uniform. She was a compassionate case for a grandfathers funeral which doesn't make her a high speed case from an exercise in the US which would have allowed her more than enough time to pack a bag once receiving the news she wouldn't have spent her 5 days in the UK solely in her combats and certainly wouldn't have attended her grandfathers funeral in that fatigue. So why did she feel the need to travel back to her detachment in uniform as she certainly wouldn't be arriving off the plane straight onto the flight line.
ecsrobin said:
I have been on the receiving end of that in California and Detroit and almost find it embarrassing. I am a cog in a wheel yet the US citizens feel like I am a 1 man army.
I just do not see why she would travel in uniform. She was a compassionate case for a grandfathers funeral which doesn't make her a high speed case from an exercise in the US which would have allowed her more than enough time to pack a bag once receiving the news she wouldn't have spent her 5 days in the UK solely in her combats and certainly wouldn't have attended her grandfathers funeral in that fatigue. So why did she feel the need to travel back to her detachment in uniform as she certainly wouldn't be arriving off the plane straight onto the flight line.
Why not travel in uniform, why be embarrassed? In this country yes I'd have put civvies on at the first opportunity, but in the US it's the norm, it's not odd at all out there.I just do not see why she would travel in uniform. She was a compassionate case for a grandfathers funeral which doesn't make her a high speed case from an exercise in the US which would have allowed her more than enough time to pack a bag once receiving the news she wouldn't have spent her 5 days in the UK solely in her combats and certainly wouldn't have attended her grandfathers funeral in that fatigue. So why did she feel the need to travel back to her detachment in uniform as she certainly wouldn't be arriving off the plane straight onto the flight line.
Dixie68 said:
Why not travel in uniform, why be embarrassed? In this country yes I'd have put civvies on at the first opportunity, but in the US it's the norm, it's not odd at all out there.
I’m inclined to agree, surely uniform is a perk of the job. After all I see nurses and some firefighters wearing work cloths down the pub on a friday after work.I might be a bit old fashion but I’d like to think that armed forces would get some preferential treatment or at least bought the odd drink while waiting around for a flight? Perhaps it’s perceived as "just doing a job" now in the UK.
I've had Americans thank me for my service when on detachments over there. I never really know what to say.
Over here people look at me in sainsburys as if I'm some nutter who raided the local army surplus store. Not that I give a fk mind.
The excuse of "foreign passengers will feel threatened" is just bks used as a stick to beat her with. Whether you understand why she'd want to travel in uniform or not, there's absolutely no reason why she shouldn't be allowed.
I'd have been fking furious if I'd been treated that way.
Over here people look at me in sainsburys as if I'm some nutter who raided the local army surplus store. Not that I give a f
k mind. The excuse of "foreign passengers will feel threatened" is just b
ks used as a stick to beat her with. Whether you understand why she'd want to travel in uniform or not, there's absolutely no reason why she shouldn't be allowed. I'd have been f
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