Is it ok to take holiday while off work for stress?

[eldar]

Mst007 said:

On a similar note, I was surprised to read recently that 16 Comic relief employees earn £130k+. I`ve decided not to contribute this year.

£130k between 16 employees, £8.1k each or 16 on £130k each?

[singlecoil]

eldar said:

Mst007 said:

On a similar note, I was surprised to read recently that 16 Comic relief employees earn £130k+. I`ve decided not to contribute this year.

£130k between 16 employees, £8.1k each or 16 on £130k each?

I have no knowledge of this, but my cynical guess is for the latter.

[scenario8]

eldar said:

Mst007 said:

On a similar note, I was surprised to read recently that 16 Comic relief employees earn £130k+. I`ve decided not to contribute this year.

£130k between 16 employees, £8.1k each or 16 on £130k each?

2012 accounts show 16 staff (of over 200) earning over £60,001 each, ten of whom earnt less than £70,000 and only one of whom (the Chief Executive of the operation) earnt over £100,000 pa. (£130,823)

http://cdn2.comicrelief.com/cdn/farfuture/oR3AkbqD...

Unless a better or newer source can be found, of course.

I'm not overly upset, to be honest. Threads about professionally run charities or non-profit ngos appear every so often in these fora and I'm regularly intrigued by the perception of some posters that charity workers are on a gravy train.

edited to remove a bit of nonsense. Apologies.

Edited by scenario8 on Tuesday 12th March 21:53

[Murph7355]

ShredderXLE said:

It shouldnt be ok to be off work with stress anyway. If you're not cut out to do the job in the first place hand your notice in and free up the position for someone who might be.

I tend to agree.

[Bonefish Blues]

Doesn't everyone wrestle sharks on holiday

[Piersman2]

Is it ok to take holiday while off work for stress?

YES.

For 2 months in Australia with your 'off work with stress as well' wife?

NO.

[SpeedMattersNot]

Piersman2 said:

Is it ok to take holiday while off work for stress?

YES.

For 2 months in Australia with your 'off work with stress as well' wife?

NO.

Kind of my thoughts on the matter really.

Personally I find holidays (particularly abroad) one of the most stressful things to do!

[Terminator X]

No, sacking is good in that instance. I had a plague of sick bunnies in my team for a while and it caused fking chaos for those left in the office working. I explained this to one of them who promptly took the next 2 weeks off sick ... s!

TX.

[Chrisgr31]

Caulkhead said:

saaby93 said:

Any idea how much you get as trustee of a charity?

Good question! Let's use our favourite fake charity 'Brake' as an example:

They turned over £1,024,396 in 2011 with 21 employees. Wages and salaries amounted to £577,740 for the same period. They have six directors (pretty much all solicitors or barristers) and one trustee. The 'charity' made a pre-tax profit of £109,959 and a post-tax profit of £109,959. . . . . . . .

Draw your own conclusions.

The rules regarding paying trustees are strict and therefore most trustees wont be paid. However staff are....

[Robbo66]

Terminator X said:

No, sacking is good in that instance. I had a plague of sick bunnies in my team for a while and it caused fking chaos for those left in the office working. I explained this to one of them who promptly took the next 2 weeks off sick ... s!

TX.

Exactly. I've no sympathy. Utter lead swingers.
My definition of 'wrestling a shark' is a little different from playing the 'big I am' and heaving a shark by the tail in to 3ft of water.
Typical Welsh Boyo ( and I am Welsh)... Our nations full of this type.

[speedy_thrills]

Didn't his doctor advise him specifically to "go on holiday"? Seems like he followed professional advice which would have reduced the recovery time. If he has a doctor’s note or his doctor can confirm telling him to go somewhere warm and sunny due to a seasonal depression thing then he probably wasn't taking the piss and his employer can expect a large settlement.

On the other hand if he was taking the piss he deserved what he got really.

[Engineer1]

Murph7355 said:

ShredderXLE said:

It shouldnt be ok to be off work with stress anyway. If you're not cut out to do the job in the first place hand your notice in and free up the position for someone who might be.

I tend to agree.

bks, stress can come from some other incompetent screwing up and dumping work on you or making yoru job harder and more stressful. Or there could be other things going on that mean the normal workplace stresses are becoming too much to bare.

[Digga]

speedy_thrills said:

If he has a doctor’s note or his doctor can confirm telling him to go somewhere warm and sunny due to a seasonal depression thing then he probably wasn't taking the piss and his employer can expect a large settlement.

Well that brings us onto a whole other plane of 'wrongness'; doctors writing notes for this, that and whatever else the entitled patients expect of them. Signing off dubious, possibly bogus whiplash claims, throwing pills (ordered over a leisurely 18 holes with the drugs rep) at patients to get them out of the office - lo and behold there is now an antibiotics crisis - all of which has a cost to us.

[singlecoil]

We still don't know whether or not they were receiving any pay from their employers while they were on leave. If they were, then a definite piss-take. If not, then maybe not.

[Oakey]

speedy_thrills said:

Didn't his doctor advise him specifically to "go on holiday"? Seems like he followed professional advice which would have reduced the recovery time. If he has a doctor’s note or his doctor can confirm telling him to go somewhere warm and sunny due to a seasonal depression thing then he probably wasn't taking the piss and his employer can expect a large settlement.

On the other hand if he was taking the piss he deserved what he got really.

The flaw in this plan is when he has to show when the holiday was booked and paid for. I imagine that happened way before the pair of them caught a bout of stress.

[speedy_thrills]

Digga said:

ell that brings us onto a whole other plane of 'wrongness'; doctors writing notes for this, that and whatever else the entitled patients expect of them. Signing off dubious, possibly bogus whiplash claims, throwing pills (ordered over a leisurely 18 holes with the drugs rep) at patients to get them out of the office - lo and behold there is now an antibiotics crisis - all of which has a cost to us.

Couldn't agree more but if you can't trust a doctor to fairly abjudicate on health who can we trust?

[ShredderXLE]

Engineer1 said:

bks, stress can come from some other incompetent screwing up and dumping work on you or making yoru job harder and more stressful. Or there could be other things going on that mean the normal workplace stresses are becoming too much to bare.

Really? - You honestly believe that "workplace stresses" are a legitimate reason for taking time off sick on full pay. And that the company should continue to pay you a full salary to be at home (for sometimes an indefinite period of time) when you are not actually physically ill or injured to be unable to attend, just finding the work difficult or too stressful? If so you should leave and find another easier / less stressful job. Its not a chance to earn free money for being at home.

"Too much to bare" - jesus christ. Ten to fifteen years ago it was unheard of, now it seems rife.

[speedy_thrills]

Oakey said:

The flaw in this plan is when he has to show when the holiday was booked and paid for. I imagine that happened way before the pair of them caught a bout of stress.

In which case he deserved to be sent packing. I'd love it if once in a while a media outlet would pull themselves togeather enough to publish all the pertinant facts.

[Engineer1]

ShredderXLE said:

Engineer1 said:

bks, stress can come from some other incompetent screwing up and dumping work on you or making yoru job harder and more stressful. Or there could be other things going on that mean the normal workplace stresses are becoming too much to bare.

Really? - You honestly believe that "workplace stresses" are a legitimate reason for taking time off sick on full pay. And that the company should continue to pay you a full salary to be at home (for sometimes an indefinite period of time) when you are not actually physically ill or injured to be unable to attend, just finding the work difficult or too stressful? If so you should leave and find another easier / less stressful job. Its not a chance to earn free money for being at home.

"Too much to bare" - jesus christ. Ten to fifteen years ago it was unheard of, now it seems rife.

Yes if the company has made decisions that increase the stress, no if the person has bitten off more than they can chew work wise. Some employers will cut staff till everyone is doing multiple peoples jobs then complain when the results are poor, or things start to go wrong. I worked in one place where one of the staff would let his work build up during a project then go off sick, he'd return once the project was wrapping up, that meant everyone elses stress levels rose as all his delayed but critical work hit your desk at the same time as your critical work.

[Oakey]

This is the charity in question:

http://www.dowlaisenginehouse.co.uk/

It's not like he was running fking Greenpeace.