Pork with your brutally slaughtered sausages?

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Mr_B said:

Countdown said:

Mr_B said:

An attack on the compensation culture of today ?

Thing is, nobody's claimed (or suggested claiming) compensation.

Mojocvh asked a question if it would start a compensation culture type claim, 7Mike refered to a local news report without any links or proof of such.

I meant outside of PH.

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anonymous said:

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Taking aside that a product should be as described, what actually happens to a muslim that eats pork?

Do they spontaneously combust as a result of an act of god or as it's an Islam law thing are we all expected to join in with stoning them?

Does it matter? They've made a choice, made eating decisions based on the information they've been provided and it turns out they've been told wrong and the choice was taken away from them.

Does it matter?

I would say probably not, at least in comparison to myself having probably experienced a bit of Shergar with my big mac.

We just need to know the level of harm in order to decide the value of any compo claim.

The OP states "Under Islamic law, Muslims are strictly forbidden to eat pork."

I'm not sure that is actually true.

Q 2:173

He has only forbidden to you dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah . But whoever is forced [by necessity], neither desiring [it] nor transgressing [its limit], there is no sin upon him. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

So have they sinned or not? Is there actually any harm caused? Or should Dr Shuja Shafi, deputy secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, get a grip on reality and realise that the council couldn't or shouldn't give a toss whether it was halal or not.

The test should simply be whether the product was what it was sold as. No extra points for halal.

:Wanders off to put the wife's rockery back together.

[Terminator X]

No different to the horsemeat shenanigans, if I want to eat horsemeat I'll buy it ffs pls don't put it in my beef burgers. Substitute pork and halal above = same issue.

TX.

[odyssey2200]

Terminator X said:

No different to the horsemeat shenanigans, if I want to eat horsemeat I'll buy it ffs pls don't put it in my beef burgers. Substitute pork and halal above = same issue.

TX.

Not really.

Horse meat is not normally eaten in the UK at all and the Bute issue raises health issues, whereas Pork/Bacon/Ham are eaten everyday by millions in the UK except those who choose not to because of some outdated belief in a fairy story.

[Terminator X]

odyssey2200 said:

Not really.

Horse meat is not normally eaten in the UK at all and the Bute issue raises health issues, whereas Pork/Bacon/Ham are eaten everyday by millions in the UK except those who choose not to because of some outdated belief in a fairy story.

Of course it is. I don't want to eat horse/pork so I buy a beef/halal burger. See how similar it is

TX.

[odyssey2200]

In this case one food has a small trace of other food in it.
As in the case of many foods which say " may contain traces of nuts" despite nuts not being an ingredient.

In the horse food case your food contained traces of Not food with added nasty chemicals.

[Mr_B]

In the horse food case , some products were found to be mostly horse meat and some i think were found to be 100%.

Trace contamination with pork is hardly going to worry me much, but when its more than that, not good.

[pad58]

Halal pork then?

[hedgefinder]

Countdown said:

FFS

It's purely a commercial decision to maximise their income.

sorry, but i call bullst on that one and refer to my earlier comments on the matter.

[Mojooo]

Mr_B said:

Yes, we can't have and talk or objection to halal products. Quick, brand it as racist talk and get it closed down.

There have been plenty of threads discussing the pros and cons of halal - this thread seems to have been created on a different premise entirely.

[Victor McDade]

hornet said:

Wondering how long until we start getting animal DNA in food labelled as vegetarian?

What about Human DNA in food?

There were accusations of this happening in Blackpool a few years back:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1552482/Mis...

And this in Russia:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8360569.st...

And IKEA have recently been serving up turd cakes

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-d...

I think sometimes ignorance is bliss.

As a student I ate countless fish fingers and chicken nuggets - would dread to know now what's really in them.

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hedgefinder said:

Countdown said:

FFS

It's purely a commercial decision to maximise their income.

sorry, but i call bullst on that one and refer to my earlier comments on the matter.

Earlier hedgefinder said:

the local authority shouldnt have to offer specialist diets unless there are medical grounds.
Personal religeous beliefs shouldnt cost the local authority... hence my take a feckin packed lunch comment!

no doubt they are forced too as they are too scared to be labelled racist if they argue..

You're talkin rubbish. Let me explain why.

A few years ago I was involved in drawing up budgets/business plans for schools in Manchester. One of the areas I was asked to look at was the provision of catering services. There are various options in schools; In-house, Outsourced, or a mixed provision. As part of this I looked at various tenders, forecasts from external companies. It was from discussion with the Contracts Manager for one of the external providers when it transpired that a large number of school caterers in Manchester and Lancashire use halal meat.

The reason for this is that schools will have a varying number of muslim pupils. The External providers' profitability depends on how many meals they sell (they have fairly high fixed costs). The more meals they sell the more profit they make. Now in certain schools where muslim students are in the majority they would end up losing significant amounts of money if they restricted their clientele/customer base by not providing halal food.

With me so far?

Now it is far easier/more economical for the Provider to use a single supplier for meat rather than having separate supply chains which have to be duplicated all the way from the Supplier to the School. Therefore the meat they use for all their Clients is halal. To reiterate, it's got f'k all to do with the LA being "forced" to do anything. It's a sales & marketing decision made by the Outsourced caterers.

One of the companies I spoke to was Manchester Fayre (part of Manchester City Council). If you want to learn something rather than just spouting rubbish you could ask them directly.

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/a_to_z/service/1920/m...

Edited by Countdown on Saturday 16th March 19:50

[Caulkhead]

Countdown said:

hedgefinder said:

Countdown said:

FFS

It's purely a commercial decision to maximise their income.

sorry, but i call bullst on that one and refer to my earlier comments on the matter.

Earlier hedgefinder said:

the local authority shouldnt have to offer specialist diets unless there are medical grounds.
Personal religeous beliefs shouldnt cost the local authority... hence my take a feckin packed lunch comment!

no doubt they are forced too as they are too scared to be labelled racist if they argue..

You're talkin rubbish. Let me explain why.

A few years ago I was involved in drawing up budgets/business plans for schools in Manchester. One of the areas I was asked to look at was the provision of catering services. There are various options in schools; In-house, Outsourced, or a mixed provision. As part of this I looked at various tenders, forecasts from external companies. It was from discussion with the Contracts Manager for one of the external providers when it transpired that all school caterers in Manchester and Lancashire use halal meat.

The reason for this is that schools will have a varying number of muslim pupils. The External providers' profitability depends on how many meals they sell (they have fairly high fixed costs). The more meals they sell the more profit they make. Now in certain schools where muslim students are in the majority they would end up losing significant amounts of money if they restricted their clientele/customer base by not providing halal food.

With me so far?

Now it is far easier/more economical for the Provider to use a single supplier for meat rather than having separate supply chains which have to be duplicated all the way from the Supplier to the School. Therefore the meat they use for all their Clients is halal. To reiterate, it's got f'k all to do with the LA being "forced" to do anything. It's a sales & marketing decision made by the Outsourced caterers.

One of the companies I spoke to was Manchester Fayre (part of Manchester City Council). If you want to learn something rather than just spouting rubbish you could ask them directly.

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/a_to_z/service/1920/m...

What do they buy in schools with both muslim and jewish pupils?

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Caulkhead said:

What do they buy in schools with both muslim and jewish pupils?

There wasn't the same demand for kosher food (smaller jewish population, not all jews "keep kosher" and some jews consider halal food to be OK as it is killed in the same way as kosher).

Jut to correct my earlier post; its not "ALL" caterers in Lancashire / Manchester, it's those caterers who supply schools with a hgh number of muslim students.

[Jasandjules]

The sooner we ban totally Halal meat the better IMHO. By all means say a prayer if that is your thing BUT do not allow the animal to suffer. I hope one day we and all of Europe will follow the fine example set by Holland.

[mph1977]

Jasandjules said:

The sooner we ban totally Halal meat the better IMHO. By all means say a prayer if that is your thing BUT do not allow the animal to suffer. I hope one day we and all of Europe will follow the fine example set by Holland.

you really have swallowed the racist propaganda whole haven;t you ...

or are you just going to sit their in your bubble of smug hypocrisy that certain forms of commercial slaughter are more 'humane' than others

[Jasandjules]

mph1977 said:

you really have swallowed the racist propaganda whole haven;t you ...

Nothing better than the racism card?

[Caulkhead]

Countdown said:

Caulkhead said:

What do they buy in schools with both muslim and jewish pupils?

There wasn't the same demand for kosher food (smaller jewish population, not all jews "keep kosher" and some jews consider halal food to be OK as it is killed in the same way as kosher).

Jut to correct my earlier post; its not "ALL" caterers in Lancashire / Manchester, it's those caterers who supply schools with a hgh number of muslim students.

So there was no school with both a high muslim student count and jewish students?

[Caulkhead]

Jasandjules said:

The sooner we ban totally Halal meat the better IMHO. By all means say a prayer if that is your thing BUT do not allow the animal to suffer. I hope one day we and all of Europe will follow the fine example set by Holland.

Personally I'd be happy with mandatory labelling so I can decide if I want to patronise an establishment that serves meat blessed by imaginary deities or not.

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Caulkhead said:

So there was no school with both a high muslim student count and jewish students?

Not in the schools I dealt with. There are areas in Manchester where there are Muslim and Jewish communities in close proximity but I'm not sure how that breaks down into school numbers.