No charges for Missouri cop who shot unarmed teenager
Discussion
Jimbeaux said:
UR is correct here. Not having a Grand Jury does not imply no jury. A traditional jury trial would likely be watched on TV or at least open to witnesses and reporters, unlike a GJ. It appears the evidence, much of which was not available to the public until now, was overwhelming in defense of the cop, therefore, the outcome would have likely been the same.
I don't disagree. This whole thing was about justice being SEEN to be done as much as anything else. That's why there should have been a jury trial so that there was full transparency. As the evidence came out during the course of the trial things would have become apparent and that would have helped to keep a lid on some of the unrest.unrepentant said:
Jimbeaux said:
The smallish cop was defending himself from the asault of a 6'4" 300lb man that was, as evidence now shows, in the front seat of the cruiser beating the cop. That will get you shot everytime.
Wilson is 6'4, 210 and presumably trained in self defence. Brown was 6'5 and 280. A little perspective.unrepentant said:
Wilson is 6'4, 210 and presumably trained in self defence. Brown was 6'5 and 280. A little perspective.
I don't really have an opinon on the shooting, I don't know the facts but 70lb's is a massive difference in a fight irrespective of training. 9 times out of 10 the big guy is going to win.Jimbeaux said:
jdw100 said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Just make blacks immune to the law
Wow, just wow...'blacks'. When one doesn't care about the people in question, which one sometimes doesn't, I recommend something like "black people" and "white people". With these phrases, anybody complaining really has very little to go on (and I've never seen it successfully done). The phrase includes nothing anybody couldn't find out from using their eyes and/or looking in a mirror, and doesn't look even vaguely like it might be trying to dehumanize.
fblm said:
unrepentant said:
Wilson is 6'4, 210 and presumably trained in self defence. Brown was 6'5 and 280. A little perspective.
I don't really have an opinon on the shooting, I don't know the facts but 70lb's is a massive difference in a fight irrespective of training. 9 times out of 10 the big guy is going to win.KTF said:
Why was he in the front seat of the officers car?
I thought they put suspects in the back when the invite to 'come and have a seat in my car' was offered (cuffed or otherwise) to protect the officer?
He wasn't inside the car - he attacked the cop through the open drivers door window - being assaulted when you are seated in a car is obviously disadvantageous, despite the assailants size. The cop fired two rounds from inside his vehicle and then extracted himself. Then it was on like donkey kong in the street. He actually fired a further ten .40 cal rounds before he stopped the assailant.I thought they put suspects in the back when the invite to 'come and have a seat in my car' was offered (cuffed or otherwise) to protect the officer?
to3m said:
Jimbeaux said:
jdw100 said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Just make blacks immune to the law
Wow, just wow...'blacks'. When one doesn't care about the people in question, which one sometimes doesn't, I recommend something like "black people" and "white people". With these phrases, anybody complaining really has very little to go on (and I've never seen it successfully done). The phrase includes nothing anybody couldn't find out from using their eyes and/or looking in a mirror, and doesn't look even vaguely like it might be trying to dehumanize.
The next time I am referred to as "White" as opposed to "European American", I will drive my Jag down to the urban community center and throw a Waterford goblet through the window and peel off in an unseemly manner. We can all play this game.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 25th November 16:12
Matt Harper said:
KTF said:
Why was he in the front seat of the officers car?
I thought they put suspects in the back when the invite to 'come and have a seat in my car' was offered (cuffed or otherwise) to protect the officer?
He wasn't inside the car - he attacked the cop through the open drivers door window - being assaulted when you are seated in a car is obviously disadvantageous, despite the assailants size. The cop fired two rounds from inside his vehicle and then extracted himself. Then it was on like donkey kong in the street. He actually fired a further ten .40 cal rounds before he stopped the assailant.I thought they put suspects in the back when the invite to 'come and have a seat in my car' was offered (cuffed or otherwise) to protect the officer?
unrepentant said:
Jimbeaux said:
UR is correct here. Not having a Grand Jury does not imply no jury. A traditional jury trial would likely be watched on TV or at least open to witnesses and reporters, unlike a GJ. It appears the evidence, much of which was not available to the public until now, was overwhelming in defense of the cop, therefore, the outcome would have likely been the same.
This whole thing was about justice being SEEN to be done as much as anything else. Matt Harper said:
He wasn't inside the car - he attacked the cop through the open drivers door window - being assaulted when you are seated in a car is obviously disadvantageous, despite the assailants size. The cop fired two rounds from inside his vehicle and then extracted himself. Then it was on like donkey kong in the street. He actually fired a further ten .40 cal rounds before he stopped the assailant.
Sounds like he needs to spend some time on the range.......As to the comments about the 70lb weight difference - Wilson is a trained police officer, presumably pretty fit and he carried a night stick. Brown was overweight and unarmed and probably pretty slow.
to3m said:
You probably should be - or you should at least distrust whoever's using that turn of phrase. (Of course, this is just a rule of thumb that I happen to use myself; you're welcome to ignore it or consider it inappropriate.) People are individuals, and deserve to be referred to in some way that doesn't suggest they're some kind of faceless cipher. Don't let people turn you into an adjective, and do to others the same courtesy.
When one doesn't care about the people in question, which one sometimes doesn't, I recommend something like "black people" and "white people". With these phrases, anybody complaining really has very little to go on (and I've never seen it successfully done). The phrase includes nothing anybody couldn't find out from using their eyes and/or looking in a mirror, and doesn't look even vaguely like it might be trying to dehumanize.
Try living in sub-Saharan Africa for a few years like some on here, then see what you are referred to.When one doesn't care about the people in question, which one sometimes doesn't, I recommend something like "black people" and "white people". With these phrases, anybody complaining really has very little to go on (and I've never seen it successfully done). The phrase includes nothing anybody couldn't find out from using their eyes and/or looking in a mirror, and doesn't look even vaguely like it might be trying to dehumanize.
'Black people' and 'white people' are the favoured terms by black Africans.
unrepentant said:
Sounds like he needs to spend some time on the range.......
As to the comments about the 70lb weight difference - Wilson is a trained police officer, presumably pretty fit and he carried a night stick. Brown was overweight and unarmed and probably pretty slow.
Oh I dunno, Paul - he hit him 7 times - better than 50% ratio - though God only knows where the other 5 rounds ended up - that's a worry.As to the comments about the 70lb weight difference - Wilson is a trained police officer, presumably pretty fit and he carried a night stick. Brown was overweight and unarmed and probably pretty slow.
I think that Mr Brown had already made known his intentions to the cop - "You're too much of a f*****g p***y to shoot me"- after he'd cold-clocked the officer. If you are inclined to assault armed police and then attempt to steal their sidearms, you really should consider the consequences of such action.
La Liga said:
The governed have made the decision. That's what a jury is. It's the public judging their peer through a justice structure they consent to.
How can this not be considered superior to a prosecutor, part of the "governers", making the decision on his / her own?
Unfortunately, people can't comprehend this over there, and as a collective, behave in the manner we've been witnessing. It has parallels with Mark Duggan; a perfectly lawful shooting with a "community" unwilling to attribute any blame to the person who was shot.
A maximum of 12 people (remember only 3 needed to not indict), 9 of whom white, do not necessarily represent the governed. And I don't ever remember consenting to having them represent me. Put a jury of 9 muslims in a trial where someone had attacked me for eating a bacon sandwich and it's quite possible I would vocally not consent.How can this not be considered superior to a prosecutor, part of the "governers", making the decision on his / her own?
Unfortunately, people can't comprehend this over there, and as a collective, behave in the manner we've been witnessing. It has parallels with Mark Duggan; a perfectly lawful shooting with a "community" unwilling to attribute any blame to the person who was shot.
So no, they don't need to consent, they haven't consented, and they're going around with guns not consenting. Which, AFAICT, is *precisely* how the 2nd amendment should work - if they yield, it's not because the government has overwhelming force (though clearly, they still do), but because they actually need said government.
unrepentant said:
As to the comments about the 70lb weight difference - Wilson is a trained police officer, presumably pretty fit and he carried a night stick. Brown was overweight and unarmed and probably pretty slow.
I'm sorry if you're 210lb, unless you're Randy Couture, this guy is going to fvck you up, stick or no stick.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff