Falling car sales .. job losses coming

[Evanivitch]

Liokault said:

The thing that tickles me is that they are not renewing 1000 tempt contracts.....so that will be 990 Polish guys looking for a new job then.

Same as where I’m working now, I’m helping move production off shore, initially to Poland and Romania, then to the Far East, sounds bad, but number of British people out of the job is nearly zero as they have already been replaced with Polish.

I do find it ironic to have east European people moan to me about losing their job.

What absolute rubbish.

We have hundreds of skilled manufacturing engineers and technicians on contracts and the vast, vast majority are British workers. I believe the same can be said of JLR.

[WonkeyDonkey]

Gloria Slap said:

Take responsibility for your vote. Don’t blame anyone else.

I voted remain. But I'm not hung up about the fact the my vote wasn't the most popular.

[Vanden Saab]

WonkeyDonkey said:

Gloria Slap said:

Take responsibility for your vote. Don’t blame anyone else.

I voted remain. But I'm not hung up about the fact the my vote wasn't the most popular.

priceless...

[herewego]

CrgT16 said:

Sorry I digress but for many environmentalists the only way they would be happy was if we all walked or cycled... and although healthy from a lifestyle point of view, hardly viable. Then they would probably tax the leather on the shoes anyway

That's an interesting argument for avoiding exercise.

[frisbee]

Is the government still handing out secret bribes for car makers that threaten to throw their toys out the pram? At least Corbyn might tell them to get on their bikes!

[glazbagun]

frisbee said:

Is the government still handing out secret bribes for car makers that threaten to throw their toys out the pram? At least Corbyn might tell them to get on their bikes!

Corbyn would nationalise them "without borrowing", then force them to create an electric peoples car to sell below cost price.

[OddCat]

Hold on. If JLR are thinking that, due to Brexit, they are going to sell fewer car in Europe (because trade in cars between us and them will be affected) then surely this means JLR will fill their boots in the UK to a far greater degree ? The people in the UK who buy the tens of thousands of Audis, BMWs and Mercs are going to have to look for an alternative - and that alternative, for most people, will be JLR. I'm guessing that, currently, JLR sell far fewer cars in Europe than Audi, BMW and Mercedes sell in the UK ?

Should JLR bosses not be jumping upband down with joy about Brexit ?

Maybe I'm missing something ?

[glazbagun]

OddCat said:

Hold on. If JLR are thinking that, due to Brexit, they are going to sell fewer car in Europe (because trade in cars between us and them will be affected) then surely this means JLR will fill their boots in the UK to a far greater degree ? The people in the UK who buy the tens of thousands of Audis, BMWs and Mercs are going to have to look for an alternative - and that alternative, for most people, will be JLR. I'm guessing that, currently, JLR sell far fewer cars in Europe than Audi, BMW and Mercedes sell in the UK ?

Should JLR bosses not be jumping upband down with joy about Brexit ?

Maybe I'm missing something ?

So, roughly speaking, potentially being disadvantaged in a market of 430M people but gaining an advantage in one of 60M?

IIRC China and the US are their most important markets, so there's maybe a silver lining there, but ZF gearboxes, electronics, etc are from the EU so costs might still be pushed up affecting those markets too.

Edited by glazbagun on Saturday 14th April 21:59

[RobDickinson]

garagewidow said:

There's the green agenda hypocrisy right there in that pic.ridiculous.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the green agenda.

It's about cheating on emissions and nox. Nox is about poisoning people. Vw could have complied with the rules by reducing power or using adblue etc. Chose to sell people miracle cars instead.

[briang9]

RobDickinson said:

Chose to sell people miracle cars instead.

Eh no, bought by the gullible who were too stupid and believed the Govt ste that Diesel was best

[davepoth]

glazbagun said:

So, roughly speaking, potentially being disadvantaged in a market of 430M people but gaining an advantage in one of 60M?

IIRC China and the US are their most important markets, so there's maybe a silver lining there, but ZF gearboxes, electronics, etc are from the EU so costs might still be pushed up affecting those markets too.

Edited by glazbagun on Saturday 14th April 21:59

Yes, roughly.

The bit that makes it work is that the UK buys a ridiculous number of "premium" cars per head of population compared to anywhere else in Europe. We buy more BMWs than France, Italy and Japan put together, for example.

In a hypothetical example, Audi, BMW and Mercedes sold a total of 530,000 cars in the UK in 2017. JLR sold 115,000.

In Europe as a whole Audi, BMW and Mercedes sold a total of 2,494,000 cars, and JLR 222,000.

If the walls went up and JLR could only sell in the UK and Audi, BMW and Mercedes couldn't, JLR potentially would have the opportunity to increase their Europe sales by about 200% (assuming no other market entrants), while BMW, Audi and Mercedes would be looking at a loss of about 15%.

So far as components go, ZF builds gearboxes in China - and I expect the vast majority of other tier 2 auto manufacturers do too.

[garagewidow]

RobDickinson said:

garagewidow said:

There's the green agenda hypocrisy right there in that pic.ridiculous.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the green agenda.

It's about cheating on emissions and nox. Nox is about poisoning people. Vw could have complied with the rules by reducing power or using adblue etc. Chose to sell people miracle cars instead.

Haha,reducing power!

have you seen the way some cock sockets drive their vw's and audi's?

My real point is that those cars in the pic will in all probability not be resold but broken up and recycled to produce 'cleaner' vehicles.

the basic materials are then shipped about the globe at the expense of consuming even more fossil fuel to produce the next gen of 'efficient' vehicles.

[RobDickinson]

garagewidow said:

Haha,reducing power!

have you seen the way some cock sockets drive their vw's and audi's?

My real point is that those cars in the pic will in all probability not be resold but broken up and recycled to produce 'cleaner' vehicles.

the basic materials are then shipped about the globe at the expense of consuming even more fossil fuel to produce the next gen of 'efficient' vehicles.

So thats a good thing then? Those cars exist purely because of VWs greed. They should never have been on the roads in the first place

[mike74]

Perhaps the reason for the dramatic fall in new car ''sales'' is the the market for renting new cars to paupers and debt junkies has finally been tapped out?

[RobDickinson]

mike74 said:

Perhaps the reason for the dramatic fall in new car ''sales'' is the the market for renting new cars to paupers and debt junkies has finally been tapped out?

Nah you have near zero interest rates its all good from that pov...

[mike74]

RobDickinson said:

Nah you have near zero interest rates its all good from that pov...

We might still have unlimited cheap n easy credit (for now) but do we have an unlimited supply of paupers and debt junkies?

[wc98]

RobDickinson said:

So thats a good thing then? Those cars exist purely because of VWs greed. They should never have been on the roads in the first place

the cars exist purely due to the virtue signalling of politicians. they are the s that drove people that had no need for them, due to the type of journeys they mostly undertook, to buy them.

anyone that thinks making an engine use more fuel,run hotter,clog up up with carbon deposits in a short space of time and/or use gallons of another chemical every few months so the vehicle produces less co2 (plant food) is a good idea , or worse still, saving the planet, is a moron.

[rufusgti]

RobDickinson said:

mike74 said:

Perhaps the reason for the dramatic fall in new car ''sales'' is the the market for renting new cars to paupers and debt junkies has finally been tapped out?

Nah you have near zero interest rates its all good from that pov...

Tapped out? Naa, they only want the best and only drive Mercs now.

I was thinking just the other day of growing up in the Pennines in the 80’s. The only people who drove new model Mercedes were factory owners, and the Triads who would venture over from Manchester.
These days you just need to be a mobile hairdresser.

[MKnight702]

REALIST123 said:

glazbagun said:

.............. It's almost like the government doesn't know why they want what they want.

Nothing new there......

I think that's where you are wrong. Governments always know what they want, a way to take more of our hard earned cash so they can waste it invest it. Their problem at the moment is they are struggling to find a "green" excuse for upping the tax take from cars since the drive for lower co2 has reduced the amount they get from us. Once they find a "green" blanket they can throw over a new tax then the Guardianistas will back them to the hilt and no politician would dare to say "hang on, haven't we been here before?"

[herewego]

briang9 said:

RobDickinson said:

Chose to sell people miracle cars instead.

Eh no, bought by the gullible who were too stupid and believed the Govt ste that Diesel was best

There was no way any motorist could know that VW and other diesel car makers were not complying with the regulations that were in place to limit NOx emissions. Also the UK government never said diesel was best but they offered lower VED for low CO2 cars, there were no special low taxes for diesels. Manufacturers chose to make illegal non NOx compliant diesels fit the lower VED bands.

Edited by herewego on Sunday 15th April 10:41