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WinstonWolf said:
valiant said:
WinstonWolf said:
The Libdems are currently about as relevant as UKIP.
The DUP have 10 MPs and have allowed the Tories to form a government.The Libdems have 14 MPs and on course to win more. They could be pivotal in forming a government at the next GE.
That’s why they’re relevant.
gooner1 said:
Tbf, I'm not convinced they even shared power then.
Whilst I'd consider them relatively ineffective, they nevertheless punched massively above their weight compared to the number of seats acquired. I thought of them at the time as a slight moderating force against any right-wing excesses.Edited by Agammemnon on Thursday 15th August 12:31
What is it with the current crop of politicians from Scotland? Never before has there been such a dearth of intelligence. Scotland as a country has been utterly embarrassed by those that are supposed to represent her. Scotland was once a country known worldwide as a leader in education and invention, now we are a social media lead whinging joke. The best thing that could possibly happen is for Westminster to take all powers back from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Jo Swinson is another hubris junky high on remain.
“Look at the orators in our republics; as long as they are poor, both state and people can only praise their uprightness; but once they are fattened on the public funds, they conceive a hatred for justice, plan intrigues against the people and attack the democracy.”
Aristophanes
“Look at the orators in our republics; as long as they are poor, both state and people can only praise their uprightness; but once they are fattened on the public funds, they conceive a hatred for justice, plan intrigues against the people and attack the democracy.”
Aristophanes
Johnnytheboy said:
oyster said:
The party I used to post leaflets for were true free-market supporters. Now they’ve become obsessive about restricting the free movement of markets.
That's what I find curious about the Liberal Democrats: they don't seem to be very liberal!
Thorodin said:
It's not the LibDem's electability to power that is the problem. It's their capacity to join (bribe) others to produce another hopeless minority government thereby dividing opinion and subsequently blocking procedure. These carpet-bagging alliances are by their nature negative in their aims - designed entirely to frustrate and bluster. It's a merry-go-round of wannabes and gobs
tes with very little individual support or evidence of ability.
And yet there’s a good chance of the Tories forming an alliance with The Brexit Party come the next GE. What behind the scenes shenanigans will be going on there I wonder? tes with very little individual support or evidence of ability.
valiant said:
Thorodin said:
It's not the LibDem's electability to power that is the problem. It's their capacity to join (bribe) others to produce another hopeless minority government thereby dividing opinion and subsequently blocking procedure. These carpet-bagging alliances are by their nature negative in their aims - designed entirely to frustrate and bluster. It's a merry-go-round of wannabes and gobstes with very little individual support or evidence of ability.
And yet there’s a good chance of the Tories forming an alliance with The Brexit Party come the next GE. What behind the scenes shenanigans will be going on there I wonder? tes with very little individual support or evidence of ability.The basics of a free and democratic society is that we all sign up for the rules and we respect that sometimes we loose and while we all have our opinions we shouldn't be using any powers we may have to thwart the implementation of something we just don't like. Otherwise why can't anyone? Who decides if a cause is just? if this one decision is ok to reject all the rules and convention for?
To me the above is exactly the path the lib dems frequently tread, their newest recruit was on LBC this morning trying to pedal the lie that voting for A50 was fine because it "was the start of a conversation to see if there consensus for a plan for leaving the EU" so was utterly fine to now be roadblocking the process. Of course it was implicitly clear what A50 would end in and what the default position was. If MP's seriously didn't understand what they voted for then they should be removed from office. If everyone who opposed leaving that strongly hadn't voted for A50 I'd have some sympathy, but to vote for it and pretend it somehow isn't compatible with now trying to frustrate the process is just a mental leap too far.
valiant said:
Thorodin said:
It's not the LibDem's electability to power that is the problem. It's their capacity to join (bribe) others to produce another hopeless minority government thereby dividing opinion and subsequently blocking procedure. These carpet-bagging alliances are by their nature negative in their aims - designed entirely to frustrate and bluster. It's a merry-go-round of wannabes and gobstes with very little individual support or evidence of ability.
And yet there’s a good chance of the Tories forming an alliance with The Brexit Party come the next GE. What behind the scenes shenanigans will be going on there I wonder? tes with very little individual support or evidence of ability.Randy Winkman said:
valiant said:
Thorodin said:
It's not the LibDem's electability to power that is the problem. It's their capacity to join (bribe) others to produce another hopeless minority government thereby dividing opinion and subsequently blocking procedure. These carpet-bagging alliances are by their nature negative in their aims - designed entirely to frustrate and bluster. It's a merry-go-round of wannabes and gobstes with very little individual support or evidence of ability.
And yet there’s a good chance of the Tories forming an alliance with The Brexit Party come the next GE. What behind the scenes shenanigans will be going on there I wonder? tes with very little individual support or evidence of ability.
Its all fascinating stuff and it’s a period of time that will be looked back on and studied in minute detail for generations to come.
Is Boris doing enough to swing votes back from TBP? Will TBP end up like UKIP with lots of votes but sod all seats? Will Labour implode and the Libdems take the opposition role? Will the SNP insist on another Indy ref as a price of power sharing?
So many permutations and side shows that despite everyone posting on various threads on here of what will or won’t happen, no one can accurately predict what the hell will happen in the coming months.
valiant said:
Well quite
Its all fascinating stuff and it’s a period of time that will be looked back on and studied in minute detail for generations to come.
Is Boris doing enough to swing votes back from TBP? Will TBP end up like UKIP with lots of votes but sod all seats? Will Labour implode and the Libdems take the opposition role? Will the SNP insist on another Indy ref as a price of power sharing?
So many permutations and side shows that despite everyone posting on various threads on here of what will or won’t happen, no one can accurately predict what the hell will happen in the coming months.
Such power sharing and alliance shenanigans are ham and spuds to other countries' parliaments, Its all fascinating stuff and it’s a period of time that will be looked back on and studied in minute detail for generations to come.
Is Boris doing enough to swing votes back from TBP? Will TBP end up like UKIP with lots of votes but sod all seats? Will Labour implode and the Libdems take the opposition role? Will the SNP insist on another Indy ref as a price of power sharing?
So many permutations and side shows that despite everyone posting on various threads on here of what will or won’t happen, no one can accurately predict what the hell will happen in the coming months.
The good folk of Belgium, Denmark and Norway are quite happy to be governed by wink wink, nudge nudge, back scratching
coalitions and minority governments since we saved their ungrateful, skinny arses in '45.
Cantaloupe said:
Such power sharing and alliance shenanigans are ham and spuds to other countries' parliaments,
The good folk of Belgium, Denmark and Norway are quite happy to be governed by wink wink, nudge nudge, back scratching
coalitions and minority governments since we saved their ungrateful, skinny arses in '45.
You are not a supporter of collegiate management style for problem solving then.The good folk of Belgium, Denmark and Norway are quite happy to be governed by wink wink, nudge nudge, back scratching
coalitions and minority governments since we saved their ungrateful, skinny arses in '45.
I think just maybe we were saving our lardy asses in 40-45 with the help of some allies including Some Europeans.
Sway said:
Gargamel said:
Jasandjules said:
We had a democratic vote. Leave won. Anything else is undemocratic.
Plus anyone who goes for the "climate emergency" rubbish is not intelligent enough to run the country IMHO>
So plastic falling from the sky doesn’t convince you that we may need a change ? Plus anyone who goes for the "climate emergency" rubbish is not intelligent enough to run the country IMHO>
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49295...
There can no longer be any real doubt, the world IS getting warmer and we should all take sensible steps to reduce our impact on it.
Jo Swindon is a good advocate of bringing a change, she will have virtually no impact presently, but I wonder if the Lib Dems might scoop 30 - 50 seats at the next election on the basis that they don’t look quite a angry and frothy as the other two.
k all to do with carbon dioxide potentially changing the climate... The point being, I would not dismiss a politician as to stupid to run the country, simply because they see a clear need to change the impact humans are having on the environment.
Plastic falling from the sky is pretty compelling evidence that we are doing things wrong.
I am aware people on here would love to argue long and hard about actual warming, and or the causes of it. But plastic falling out of the sky is undeniably down to human impact.
So if a mainstream politician has ‘Climate Emergency’. As a priority I am OK with that. It is really about what policies they bring forward to manage and mitigate against it
valiant said:
Cantaloupe said:
The good folk of Belgium, Denmark and Norway are quite happy to be governed by wink wink, nudge nudge, back scratching
coalitions and minority governments since we saved their ungrateful, skinny arses in '45.
In what way were they ungrateful in ‘45?coalitions and minority governments since we saved their ungrateful, skinny arses in '45.
Post 1945 the continent has to thank Russian deaths.
Prior to 1945, the continent had to thank Hitler's and Stalin's stupidity.
Fun fact: the UK received the largest share of the marshal plan funds. Over 1/4 of it.
Gargamel said:
Sway said:
Gargamel said:
Jasandjules said:
We had a democratic vote. Leave won. Anything else is undemocratic.
Plus anyone who goes for the "climate emergency" rubbish is not intelligent enough to run the country IMHO>
So plastic falling from the sky doesn’t convince you that we may need a change ? Plus anyone who goes for the "climate emergency" rubbish is not intelligent enough to run the country IMHO>
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49295...
There can no longer be any real doubt, the world IS getting warmer and we should all take sensible steps to reduce our impact on it.
Jo Swindon is a good advocate of bringing a change, she will have virtually no impact presently, but I wonder if the Lib Dems might scoop 30 - 50 seats at the next election on the basis that they don’t look quite a angry and frothy as the other two.
k all to do with carbon dioxide potentially changing the climate... The point being, I would not dismiss a politician as to stupid to run the country, simply because they see a clear need to change the impact humans are having on the environment.
Plastic falling from the sky is pretty compelling evidence that we are doing things wrong.
I am aware people on here would love to argue long and hard about actual warming, and or the causes of it. But plastic falling out of the sky is undeniably down to human impact.
So if a mainstream politician has ‘Climate Emergency’. As a priority I am OK with that. It is really about what policies they bring forward to manage and mitigate against it
At which point, we have to ask;
how hot should the planet be?
how many of the predictions from years ago, about years that have passed have come true?
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