MPs say car ownership not compatible with decarbonisation

[Gecko1978]

Gareth79 said:

frozen-in-wiltshire said:

and when there's 500 households in a village trying to use one charger for 40 minutes at a time, how's that going to go for you?

Rapid chargers are not really designed for daily use, they are for refilling en-route from A to B.

I ran a Nissan Leaf for 2 years/18,000 miles and only used a charger away from home maybe 15 times.

Genuine questions, did you find yourself planning a head charging times etc, when you traded the car in did a full charge / battery life still give same range (A petrol engine will loose performace over time but the tank will still hold x litres). Did driving in town or the motorway affect performance an range adversely (This is not an issue if you can fill up in 3 mins). Were over all costs more or less than running a ICE car over same miles.

[55palfers]

Seem UK now consumes less energy than 1970's

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/08/uk-energy-s...


Link shows many interesting things.....

[mike74]

All part of the ongoing agenda to turn most of us into a population of disenfranchised, obedient, compliant debt slave worker drones with little to no ownership of assets, just renting everything instead.

[CrutyRammers]

Wooda80 said:

How do create a growth in demand? Make it less attractive for people to drive their cars.

A better way might be to make the alternatives more attractive than cars, rather than trying to beat everyone into accepting something less good. Then demand would be driven by people, which is far more effective and pleasant for all concerned, and tends to drive Innovation.

[Don Roque]

I couldn't give a fk.

[Johnnytheboy]

Wooda80 said:

That's really easy to manage. Did you have to spoon feed them when you first issued them with laptops or mobile phones too?

They either:

a) ensure that their vehicle is fully charged at work before leaving
or
b) charge their vehicle on their own charging point at or near home
or
c) commute into work in time to start at the agreed time like hundreds of thousands of people do every day throughout the country

a. While driving It?
b. Thus discouraging anyone who hasn't got a charging point from coming to work for us.
c. Except the work is set up so their work is local to where they live, not where we are based. So they'd have to come in to work, get in an electric van and drive back to where they live.

I'm sure in the end we would end up with employees that were used to it, but the existing employees would hate it. With some justification.

And don't even get me started on issuing them with mobile phones! The joys of a "mature" workforce.

[rolando]

Foliage said:

And has untold advantages, one of which being that electricity is a 10th of the cost per mile of petrol/diesel...[/footnote]

Until the inevitable happens when the government has to replace the loss of income from fuel duty.

[menousername]

CrutyRammers said:

A better way might be to make the alternatives more attractive than cars, rather than trying to beat everyone into accepting something less good. Then demand would be driven by people, which is far more effective and pleasant for all concerned, and tends to drive Innovation.

This. Recently had a short weekend away invoving HS1 and Eurostar. Never again. Every single part of the journey had issues, delays, dirty carriages and generally a sense of not being very safe (domestic rail the other end). Plus it was about twice as expensive as flying or driving, and no quicker.

Ferry and car next time.

[Jasandjules]

frozen-in-wiltshire said:

So, news today, BBC report that our esteemed MPs say that car ownership is not compatible with decarbonisation.

Thoughts please gentlemen and ladies?

Identify said MPs and ensure they are not elected next time.

[caelite]

Foliage said:

Usual BBC bullst, get a story like this every week, the bellends at the bbc believe the Brompton bike and public transport will save the world..


Home charging an electric vehicle generated from wind power is the next step forwards. And has untold advantages, one of which being that electricity is a 10th of the cost per mile of petrol/diesel...

Edited by Foliage on Thursday 22 August 15:06

Ah, but you're thinking in the mindset that environmental legislation is about saving the environment. Not for taxation, and limiting personal freedoms.

[Pothole]

Jasandjules said:

frozen-in-wiltshire said:

So, news today, BBC report that our esteemed MPs say that car ownership is not compatible with decarbonisation.

Thoughts please gentlemen and ladies?

Identify said MPs and ensure they are not elected next time.

Science and Technology Select Committee:

Norman Lamb (Chair) Liberal Democrat
Vicky Ford Conservative
Bill Grant Conservative
Mr Sam Gyimah Conservative
Darren Jones Labour
Liz Kendall Labour
Stephen Metcalfe Conservative
Carol Monaghan Scottish National Party
Damien Moore Conservative
Graham Stringer Labour
Martin Whitfield Labour

[grumbledoak]

mike74 said:

All part of the ongoing agenda to turn most of us into a population of disenfranchised, obedient, compliant debt slave worker drones with little to no ownership of assets, just renting everything instead.

This is it in a nutshell. Powerless, uneducated, mindless consumers is the future they have planned for us. No money outside their banks, no transport without their permission, no democracy to speak of. Already there on one count.

[A Winner Is You]

Can't we just keep our cars and get Elton John to offset the carbon for us?

[Justin Case]

Buses are fine unless you actually want one outside of a city. For example I can take a bus from the end of the road to Lichfield, unless I want to leave there after 17.38, or at all on a Sunday If the government want people to use public transport then they must cough up to provide a decent service at all times, as it isn't always profitable to provide one. Of course allowing operators to cross-subsidise the routes in an area would help greatly, but as long as the government addopts a free for all policy with public transport, most of us will stick with our cars.

[Baby Shark doo doo doo doo]

A Winner Is You said:

Can't we just keep our cars and get Elton John to offset the carbon for us?

[paulrockliffe]

I have three thoughts on this, that sit alongside my general reaction which is to tell them to ps off.

Firstly, it won't happen because there's no only so far these loons can push without a democratic mandate, which they'll never get.

Secondly, if they opened their eyes it could happen, I have a 20 mile commute a few times a week and I drive maybe 20 miles at the weekend in our second car. A Lexus IS200 isn't the right tool for that job at all. I want a small cheap 'thing' that'll do 60 and not get hit by trucks and idiots. Like a Renault Twizzy that's aimed at people that like cars and doesn't cost the daft amounts that Twizzys cost. There are loads of people that could swap their car for something electric, a few hundred kilos, 4 wheels, 1 or 2 seats, with powered pods to tow for kids or the shopping.

Legislate for the right new class of vehicle and people will swap away from ICE to something that's cheaper to buy and run. Anything else and it's pissing in the wind.

Lastly, just imagine the impact of taking people's cars away! It's crazy. Genuinely nuts. Think about how much of the country would be off limits for most people, think about rural communities that don't just rely on being able to go other places, they rely on people being able to get to them too. People would be forced out of the countryside in their millions.

[skyrover]

Watermelons

[irc]

Over 80% of passenger trips are by car, van, or taxi. Good luck getting those transferred to train or bus. Car owners vote.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

[anonymous-user]

Sounds like the politicians need a hot air capture system to generate electricity, they would power country quite easily.

Seriously though if they gave up their cars people might take them a bit more seriously but it smacks of do as I say not as I do.

[Pesty]

Global warming
Communism, wealth redistribution and keeping us serfs in our place.