Coronavirus - the killer flu that will wipe us out? (Vol. 2)

[ben5575]

red_slr said:

Or you could just carry your own hand gel, the sinks will be swimming in bacteria.

Hand gel is good for bacteria, doesn’t work on viruses though.

[Hub]

WinstonWolf said:

poo at Paul's said:

People need to stop travelling and being fastidious with hygiene. It’s probably too late now, but such actions will help slow the spread. The poster who says people won’t self isolate due to work pressure ha sit spot on.
Economic consequences, of course, but they have already arrived and will continue.

We’d be better in the long run to just get on with it.

Once it gets into schools, if a teacher or child pass away, it will be bedlam. Govt need to take the initiative. Now. That will take the stigma away.
The west has sleepwalked into this

"We just need to get on." Exactly, bring hysterical is the worst thing people can do...

We are still in a containment phase. I think it is worth the effort to try and contain the virus if possible - not at any cost of course, but reasonable efforts. Purely because a) we still don't know a huge amount about it, and b) we don't really want another seasonal/endemic illness going around for eternity thereafter - one which is very contagious and (potentially) more harmful than flu. The long term economic cost would be worse than short term shock?

[Macron]

WindyCommon said:

What steps would you like to see the government take..?

As of this morning:

"among the three new cases was a staff member at Willow Bank Infant School in Berkshire."

No quarantine for staff. No quarantine for kids or their parents. The school is being closed for a deep clean. Personally, I'd like to see a little bit more than that if we're going to contain it, it seems the UK is happy for it to ring through the population and hey "we'll see".

[Gregmitchell]

Has anyone seen any sort of panic buying or supermarkets running out of stuff yet?

[robinessex]

Exige77 said:

robinessex said:

When I was 13, virtually our whole school had the flu. So did the rest of the country. We stayed in bed and took lots of aspirin and drink. The country survived. No one panicked.

I think that was the Flu ?

Corona Virus is not the Flu.

Not much difference. Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that cause respiratory illnesses. This family includes the viruses that cause SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) and MERS (Middle East respiratory syndrome). It's not bubonic plague or similar, is it?

[Maxf]

ben5575 said:

Hand gel is good for bacteria, doesn’t work on viruses though.

It does - why do you think it’s scattered all over hospitals? 60%ish alcohol will kill this virus. Norovirus is a bit tougher so lucky weren’t not dealing with that.

[anonymous-user]

Hub said:

We are still in a containment phase. I think it is worth the effort to try and contain the virus if possible - not at any cost of course, but reasonable efforts. Purely because a) we still don't know a huge amount about it, and b) we don't really want another seasonal/endemic illness going around for eternity thereafter - one which is very contagious and (potentially) more harmful than flu. The long term economic cost would be worse than short term shock?

Containment will enable the NHS to cope so it’ll be essential. It also buys time for any preparation not already done, gets the UK treatment learning curve on the go and delays wholesale disruption in the hope of the elusive vaccine.
But will Joe Bloggs accept it when someone tells him he can’t go where he wants to?

[psgcarey]

Macron said:

As of this morning:

"among the three new cases was a staff member at Willow Bank Infant School in Berkshire."

No quarantine for staff. No quarantine for kids or their parents. The school is being closed for a deep clean. Personally, I'd like to see a little bit more than that if we're going to contain it, it seems the UK is happy for it to ring through the population and hey "we'll see".

Falls under Wokingham council that is officially the most incompetent at anything and everything in the country, so it will go wrong.

At the last census, Wokingham population had an average age of 103, so high-risk group as well.

[Crumpet]

ben5575 said:

Hand gel is good for bacteria, doesn’t work on ALL viruses though.

Just to correct that, otherwise it’s misinformation. It does work on cornonavirus, providing the alcohol content is high enough.

[Gregmitchell]

Crumpet said:

Just to correct that, otherwise it’s misinformation. It does work on cornonavirus, providing the alcohol content is high enough.

70%+ from what I’ve read is best

[citizensm1th]

psgcarey said:

Falls under Wokingham council that is officially the most incompetent at anything and everything in the country, so it will go wrong.

At the last census, Wokingham population had an average age of 103, so high-risk group as well.

103?

[robinessex]

Crumpet said:

ben5575 said:

Hand gel is good for bacteria, doesn’t work on ALL viruses though.

Just to correct that, otherwise it’s misinformation. It does work on cornonavirus, providing the alcohol content is high enough.

Would Vodka be acceptable, especially if I take a few tots now and then?

[Motorrad]

Just been to the supermarket. Panic!!!!!people stocking up on non perishables. Edit to add: in the Netherlands so maybe not time to panic in the UK

[Maxf]

Crumpet said:

ben5575 said:

Hand gel is good for bacteria, doesn’t work on ALL viruses though.

Just to correct that, otherwise it’s misinformation. It does work on cornonavirus, providing the alcohol content is high enough.

It’s important to remember that if you get some virus on your hands it doesn’t stay there indefinitely - it will likely be dead in a short while (15 mins to 1hr) quoted for other corona viruses IIRC so not touching your face is essential. Anything which disrupts the ‘sack’ is useful at killing it in the meantime - soap and water, hand sanitiser, UV, heat etc

[pingu393]

Some man maths...

Population in UK by Age

COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE

Assuming 5% contract the virus (in millions)...

5% of 0-9 years = 0.05 x (3.91 + 4.14) = 0.40 x Mortality Rate (0.0%) = 0.00
5% of 10-19 years = 0.05 x (3.86 + 3.61) = 0.37 x 0.002 = 0.000747
5% of 20-29 years = 0.05 x (4.18 + 4.53) = 0.43 x 0.002 = 0.000871
5% of 30-39 years = 0.05 x (4.46 + 4.37) = 0.44 x 0.002 = 0.000883
5% of 40-49 years = 0.05 x (3.99 + 4.51) = 0.42 x 0.004 = 0.001700
5% of 50-59 years = 0.05 x (4.61 + 4.29) = 0.44 x 0.013 = 0.005785
5% of 60-69 years = 0.05 x (3.67 + 3.40) = 0.35 x 0.036 = 0.012726
5% of 70-79 years = 0.05 x (3.25 + 2.24) = 0.27 x 0.080 = 0.021960
5% of 80+ years = 0.05 x (1.67 + 1.02 + 0.58) = 0.16 x 0.148 = 0.024198

Total mortality (UK) = 68870 / 66410000 = 0.1%

[Exige77]

robinessex said:

Exige77 said:

robinessex said:

When I was 13, virtually our whole school had the flu. So did the rest of the country. We stayed in bed and took lots of aspirin and drink. The country survived. No one panicked.

I think that was the Flu ?

Corona Virus is not the Flu.

Not much difference. Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that cause respiratory illnesses. This family includes the viruses that cause SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) and MERS (Middle East respiratory syndrome). It's not bubonic plague or similar, is it?

Maybe you should read up on it a bit.

It’s not the plague but it’s not flu either.

[citizensm1th]

robinessex said:

Would Vodka be acceptable, especially if I take a few tots now and then?

Needs to be above 60% I belive so not really unless you have a friendly polish neighbour with a still in his shed

[Maxf]

pingu393 said:

Some man maths...

Population in UK by Age

COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE

Assuming 5% contract the virus (in millions)...

5% of 0-9 years = 0.05 x (3.91 + 4.14) = 0.40 x Mortality Rate (0.0%) = 0.00
5% of 10-19 years = 0.05 x (3.86 + 3.61) = 0.37 x 0.002 = 0.000747
5% of 20-29 years = 0.05 x (4.18 + 4.53) = 0.43 x 0.002 = 0.000871
5% of 30-39 years = 0.05 x (4.46 + 4.37) = 0.44 x 0.002 = 0.000883
5% of 40-49 years = 0.05 x (3.99 + 4.51) = 0.42 x 0.004 = 0.001700
5% of 50-59 years = 0.05 x (4.61 + 4.29) = 0.44 x 0.013 = 0.005785
5% of 60-69 years = 0.05 x (3.67 + 3.40) = 0.35 x 0.036 = 0.012726
5% of 70-79 years = 0.05 x (3.25 + 2.24) = 0.27 x 0.080 = 0.021960
5% of 80+ years = 0.05 x (1.67 + 1.02 + 0.58) = 0.16 x 0.148 = 0.024198

Total mortality (UK) = 68870 / 66410000 = 0.1%

That’s one of the most useful things I’ve seen posted on here. Thanks.

Upper estimates are a lot higher than 5% though - but easy to extrapolate to account for your chosen level of doooom. I’d wager more than 5% get it over the next year, maybe 20% - but that’s based on nothing other than a total guess.

[mike-v2tmf]

I'm due to collect a car Thursday........from a dealer that's gone skiing in norther Italy

[anonymous-user]

robinessex said:

Exige77 said:

robinessex said:

When I was 13, virtually our whole school had the flu. So did the rest of the country. We stayed in bed and took lots of aspirin and drink. The country survived. No one panicked.

I think that was the Flu ?

Corona Virus is not the Flu.

Not much difference. Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that cause respiratory illnesses. This family includes the viruses that cause SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) and MERS (Middle East respiratory syndrome). It's not bubonic plague or similar, is it?

With SARS as the psychopathic axe wielding serial killer father and MERS as the genocidal mother, their giving baby CV a chainsaw for his christening isn’t going to go well is it? Cousin ‘flu is off making daisy chains.