Train crash in Scotland
Discussion
RichFN2 said:
Now being reported than another carriage is completely submerged in water with people unaccounted for 
Seems a bit odd. The images of the burning front locomotive show it went down the embankment and landed in a wooded area, and the other images show the undamaged rear locomotive is past the bridge and the river (and that image is taken from the river bank). Given that you can see three damaged coaches on the image taken from the track, unless there's another area of water down there I suppose... Yeah finding the submerged comments odd too as from the pictures, one cab on fire in a forest (which seem to have works going on as there is a digger etc in the background) and the other pic shows 3 carriages, 1 on its side and 2 on top?! I believe there's 1 more carriage though as i'm sure i read it had a Cab + 4 carriages?
Not great either way though...! Thankfully not a full train!
Not great either way though...! Thankfully not a full train!
Mezzanine said:
oobster said:
Was there work going on near or on the tracks at the time?
Seen a report saying emergency services were being assisted by rail workers who were nearby at the time.
Maybe assessing or dealing with the land slip?Seen a report saying emergency services were being assisted by rail workers who were nearby at the time.
1. A picture on twitter (that I won't link to and MAY not be from this incident) seems to show a locomotive on it's side (on fire) UP the embankment with an orange tracked digger in the background below the locomotive. The emergency services wouldn't have had time (yet) to bring in the digger after the incident.
2. The area where the emergency vehicles are congregating seems, admittedly via long-distance shots, to be parked on an man-made area of hard-standing, perhaps for use by rail workers working on the track? i.e. the hard-standing area was there before the incident. There is footage of a fire engine reversing down a gravel road towards the rail tracks post-incident.
Hence my comment about rail workers being nearby at the time for pre-planned works (not responding to the flooding/land-slip).
If the train has been returning to Aberdeen due to the line being blocked and work has been going on with/on the track and the workers weren't aware the train was returning then potential collision with equipment?
oobster said:
1. A picture on twitter (that I won't link to and MAY not be from this incident) seems to show a locomotive on it's side (on fire) UP the embankment with an orange tracked digger in the background below the locomotive. The emergency services wouldn't have had time (yet) to bring in the digger after the incident.
2. The area where the emergency vehicles are congregating seems, admittedly via long-distance shots, to be parked on an man-made area of hard-standing, perhaps for use by rail workers working on the track? i.e. the hard-standing area was there before the incident. There is footage of a fire engine reversing down a gravel road towards the rail tracks post-incident.
Hence my comment about rail workers being nearby at the time for pre-planned works (not responding to the flooding/land-slip).
If the train has been returning to Aberdeen due to the line being blocked and work has been going on with/on the track and the workers weren't aware the train was returning then potential collision with equipment?
The Twitter image is definitely the locomotive from today's accident. No other HSTs have been in similar accidents and the one in the image is in ScotRail colours.2. The area where the emergency vehicles are congregating seems, admittedly via long-distance shots, to be parked on an man-made area of hard-standing, perhaps for use by rail workers working on the track? i.e. the hard-standing area was there before the incident. There is footage of a fire engine reversing down a gravel road towards the rail tracks post-incident.
Hence my comment about rail workers being nearby at the time for pre-planned works (not responding to the flooding/land-slip).
If the train has been returning to Aberdeen due to the line being blocked and work has been going on with/on the track and the workers weren't aware the train was returning then potential collision with equipment?
oobster said:
Mezzanine said:
oobster said:
Was there work going on near or on the tracks at the time?
Seen a report saying emergency services were being assisted by rail workers who were nearby at the time.
Maybe assessing or dealing with the land slip?Seen a report saying emergency services were being assisted by rail workers who were nearby at the time.
1. A picture on twitter (that I won't link to and MAY not be from this incident) seems to show a locomotive on it's side (on fire) UP the embankment with an orange tracked digger in the background below the locomotive. The emergency services wouldn't have had time (yet) to bring in the digger after the incident.
2. The area where the emergency vehicles are congregating seems, admittedly via long-distance shots, to be parked on an man-made area of hard-standing, perhaps for use by rail workers working on the track? i.e. the hard-standing area was there before the incident. There is footage of a fire engine reversing down a gravel road towards the rail tracks post-incident.
Hence my comment about rail workers being nearby at the time for pre-planned works (not responding to the flooding/land-slip).
If the train has been returning to Aberdeen due to the line being blocked and work has been going on with/on the track and the workers weren't aware the train was returning then potential collision with equipment?
Which unfortunately is also entirely feasible.
sim72 said:
RichFN2 said:
Now being reported than another carriage is completely submerged in water with people unaccounted for
Seems a bit odd. The images of the burning front locomotive show it went down the embankment and landed in a wooded area, and the other images show the undamaged rear locomotive is past the bridge and the river (and that image is taken from the river bank). Given that you can see three damaged coaches on the image taken from the track, unless there's another area of water down there I suppose... gooner1 said:
Entirely feasible but would require a large breakdown in communications.
Which unfortunately is also entirely feasible.
From the very serious damage to the front locomotive it looks like it hit something heavy (or collided with something substantial as it went down the embankment). Which unfortunately is also entirely feasible.
I also see a van parked on that hard-standing area from CRC - https://www.crc.scot/ - contstruction company.
P5BNij said:
Read elsewhere that a bridge may have collapsed beneath the front power car just as it was returning wrong line back towards Aberdeen.
Edit : correction, the train had already crossed over to the right line and was heading back when the derailment occured.
Does that put the train north of the bridge and south of Aberdeen?Edit : correction, the train had already crossed over to the right line and was heading back when the derailment occured.
Edited by P5BNij on Wednesday 12th August 13:22
Helicopter123 said:
gooner1 said:
Does that put the train north of the bridge and south of Aberdeen?
South of Aberdeen, and South of Stonehaven, by about 3 miles. going from where the road the reporters are on and the field all the emergency services are in.
Braveheart300 said:
Think the location roughly on google maps is here https://www.google.com/maps/@56.9514112,-2.329186,...
going from where the road the reporters are on and the field all the emergency services are in.
Looks like the railway goes over a small burn at that point. I wonder if the bridge collapsed. going from where the road the reporters are on and the field all the emergency services are in.
Braveheart300 said:
Helicopter123 said:
gooner1 said:
Does that put the train north of the bridge and south of Aberdeen?
South of Aberdeen, and South of Stonehaven, by about 3 miles. going from where the road the reporters are on and the field all the emergency services are in.
Gilhooligan said:
Braveheart300 said:
Think the location roughly on google maps is here https://www.google.com/maps/@56.9514112,-2.329186,...
going from where the road the reporters are on and the field all the emergency services are in.
Looks like the railway goes over a small burn at that point. I wonder if the bridge collapsed. going from where the road the reporters are on and the field all the emergency services are in.
Edited by sim72 on Wednesday 12th August 15:02
Helicopter123 said:
The train left Stonehaven at 0653.
It is c. 3 miles out of the Station.
Alarm not raised until 0940.
That's a huge gap - poor souls may have been waiting 3 hours for help to arrive.
No, the train had gone south and been stopped because of a landslip. It had turned round and was returning to Aberdeen when the accident happened.It is c. 3 miles out of the Station.
Alarm not raised until 0940.
That's a huge gap - poor souls may have been waiting 3 hours for help to arrive.
Still struggling to understand exactly what seems to have happened. Does the train run like this ENGINE - CARRIAGES - ENGINE
There's a picture of one 'engine' (is this terminology correct?) at the edge of the bridge, looking up at it.
Then a close up of the same 'engine' with firemen in front of it.
In the foreground of that image there is what appears to be debris, and damage to trees etc suggesting something else has gone down the embankment.
Then there are two other images circulating. One of the three carriages, piled up ontop of one another and one of the other 'engine' down the embankment.
Surely if the train down the embankment was the lead 'engine' then the carriages should be inbetween the crash place and the rear 'engine'
or m i misunderstanding how the train was set up?
There's a picture of one 'engine' (is this terminology correct?) at the edge of the bridge, looking up at it.
Then a close up of the same 'engine' with firemen in front of it.
In the foreground of that image there is what appears to be debris, and damage to trees etc suggesting something else has gone down the embankment.
Then there are two other images circulating. One of the three carriages, piled up ontop of one another and one of the other 'engine' down the embankment.
Surely if the train down the embankment was the lead 'engine' then the carriages should be inbetween the crash place and the rear 'engine'
or m i misunderstanding how the train was set up?
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