Who is going to continue to wear a mask after 21st June?

[pti]

Randy Winkman said:

trumptriple said:

andy43 said:

I have been wearing one where required. I’ll continue to wear one where required. No more, no less. Doesn’t really bother me TBH, but then I suspect the question wasn’t aimed at me.

Same as this man.

Me too.

Yep.

And to be honest, it's quite nice covering your face if you're looking a bit disheveled/severely hungover.

[anonymous-user]

i honestly don't see the issue here, the benefits massively outweigh the negatives. If people don't want to wear them, well in gave no issue with that, there are always people that don't like being told what to do.

[Peter911]

All the scrotes trying to avoid facial recognition software will still be wearing them.

[yellowjack]

gazapc said:

Vanden Saab said:

I have not met a single person who would wear a mask if they did not have to.

Unfortunately you only have to look around at the not insignificant number of people who wear masks while outside or in their car etc... to know this isn't true for the wider population.

I agree though any business which carries on trying to enforce it will soon have it quietly dropped.

There have been quite a few "letters to the editor" types bumping their gums lately. Writing letters (or perhaps emailing their brain dead opinions in) to the local paper bemoaning the fact that they "went for a walk at the sea front/country park/canal", etc, etc, and that "almost no-one else there was wearing a mask". They don't seem to understand that the mandatory mask rules are limited in scope, and do not (and definitely should not) include masking up in open spaces.

Not helped by the Muppets at (I think it was) Good Morning Britain making the pronouncement that "joggers should wear masks when running past other people, say scientists". but when you dug down into the story it was just two scientists. The issue I have when cycling and running is that the vast majority of walkers and dog walkers are just brain-dead zombies who seem to be motivated to deliberately turn the footpaths, bridleways, and sea front promenades into a nightmare slalom. Walking up to 6 abreast, not paying attention, and even where they do see you coming toward them they make no effort to shift their carcasses out of the way, yet expect you, the cyclist/runner, to give them a wide berth. If people have an issue with (anti) social distancing in the open air, then they are quite welcome to fk off back to their homes and batten down the hatches until Hell freezes over. There's no way on God's green earth that I'm going to wear a mask outdoors, not even if it became law. I only wear a mask indoors under sufferance. If the mandatory element of mask wearing in shops, etc remains in place, I'll continue to wear one. If it's no longer mandatory but a premises requires it as a condition of entry it will depend. I'll look elsewhere if I can, but if I need to access someone's premises I'll wear a mask if they make a reasonable request for me to do that. Albeit they'll have to provide a mask at their own expense. I won't burn my mask though. I think I'm going to recycle it as a Hamster Hammock...

[stitched]

Before masks were advised, probably as we didn't have sufficient stocks, supermarkets imposed one way systems and distancing rules which were far more effective, mine also had a do not touch unless you are buying policy.
When masks were brought in they were told to stop doing this as it would cause customers to question the effectiveness of masks.
Smoke and mirrors right the way through, advised by a panel of specialists in behaviour modification.

[BOR]

I'll wear one if it winds up anti-mask freeman-of-the-land types.

[Uggers]

stitched said:

Before masks were advised, probably as we didn't have sufficient stocks, supermarkets imposed one way systems and distancing rules which were far more effective, mine also had a do not touch unless you are buying policy.
When masks were brought in they were told to stop doing this as it would cause customers to question the effectiveness of masks.
Smoke and mirrors right the way through, advised by a panel of specialists in behaviour modification.

After this is all over the same number of people will wear masks as before. Ie not very many.

And those that continue, well they won't entertain anything else other than their own thoughts in their head. So best to just leave them to it.

I always thought the best plan was to physically distance (hate the use of social distance) and wash your hands.
Go into any supermarket now and see how many use the hand sanitiser at the entrance, hardly any. And physical distancing gone out of the window.

Masks are a pain and even though I have to wear them for 30+ hours at a time, the biggest bug bear is communication with people through perspex screens.

Muffled voices coupled with no chance of lip reading, means shouting at each other 8" apart through a letterbox cutout.
The sensible among us would imagine that's not a very good thing to have to do.
But the ones implementing these controls are the same people who insist more of everything is better and ignore the consequences and changes in behaviour to overcome the issues it causes.

[wiggy001]

The Spruce Goose said:

i honestly don't see the issue here, the benefits massively outweigh the negatives. If people don't want to wear them, well in gave no issue with that, there are always people that don't like being told what to do.

You say that but it wasn’t that long ago the country was debating face coverings and hoodies. There was a reason that many were anti face coverings back then and those reasons still exist today.

The simple fact is a large part of communication is based on facial expression, not just the sound of the words you hear, so there absolutely is a downside to masks.

[Monkeylegend]

Over over under steer said:

Some odd people here seemingly virtuously stating they have never wore one - odd.

Don't believe everything you read on here, some people will say anything to be seen as a super hero sticking fingers up at the establishment

[Quisling]

BOR said:

I'll wear one if it winds up anti-mask freeman-of-the-land types.

You know what REALLY winds us as freeman wibble types

People walking around with a pineapple shoved up their ass

you should do that

You have no idea how angry it will make me

[plasticpig]

You can already see some of the scientists in the media lining up the arguments for continued mask wearing and other measures every winter. Goes along the lines of "XXXXX people usually die from flu every year. With the COVID restrictions this year we have near zero prevalence of flu. So if we did xxxx and yyyy every year we would prevent zzzzz number of deaths!".

[Blackpuddin]

stitched said:

I've had to wear masks for probably 30 plus years, in ATEX rated dust areas I wear a disposable filter in open flap out mask to prevent dust inhalation, not much good in the current situation as there is no filtration of exhalation.
In areas with Nitric or Hydrochloric acid I wear a complete face mask with gas filters, I am really anal about these masks, filters are disposed of in the correct receptacle after one use, mask seals and inner and outer surfaces rigorously cleaned as I worked in a place barrelling HCL, one guy was issued a positive air pressure hood which he fitted dust filters to, it sucked up the acidic gas and blew it into his face.
22 years old, 15% vision and @ 20% lung capacity, you see something like that it makes you careful.
We also run ammonia cooled glycol compressor/chillers. For those I use a positive pressure hood, again use the filters once and check the batteries weekly.
The masks I have been given by work during this are better than average, triple ply and an unlimited supply, they are also laughably ineffective against a virus.
Step outside on a cold night and watch the moisture droplets coming straight through your mask, each of those droplets is @ 1000 times bigger than the virus, also If you are infected then each of those water droplets is teeming with viruses.
Masks are only effective in making people feel protected, which leads to less social distancing.
Mind games from ineffective leaders.

On one of the other threads a few weeks back I ventured the opinion that if we had all been issued with 'proper' (ie paintbooth or better) masks from the start we would have been a hell of a lot better off but I imagine the cost of it would have seemed prohibitive at the time, before the virus really took hold. In hindsight it would have been a cheap solution compared to the huge hit the economy has taken.

[gazapc]

Blackpuddin said:

On one of the other threads a few weeks back I ventured the opinion that if we had all been issued with 'proper' (ie paintbooth or better) masks from the start we would have been a hell of a lot better off but I imagine the cost of it would have seemed prohibitive at the time, before the virus really took hold. In hindsight it would have been a cheap solution compared to the huge hit the economy has taken.

Some people mention about mandating N95 masks or similar..

Bavaria mandated N95 masks a little while ago now...
If it is clear proper masks work how do we explain this graph. If they work so well surely we should see a material difference in infections from the German average?

[Murph7355]

gazapc said:

Some people mention about mandating N95 masks or similar..

Bavaria mandated N95 masks a little while ago now...
If it is clear proper masks work how do we explain this graph. If they work so well surely we should see a material difference in infections from the German average?

There is zero categoric proof that masks materially help.

But I'm of the view that digging in doesn't do anyone any good at all.

I'll continue to wear them where absolutely required to do so. If pubs insist on them being worn then I simply won't go to the pub. But I suspect the need to wear them will ease off rapidly after the general restrictions are dropped.

What would be nice to see is proper research into mask wearing in this country that accounts for all factors. But how that could be done to give any degree of unarguable benefit analysis is hard to see.

[Ntv]

Going to burn the masks on the BBQ with some friends, a few beers and some music

[nonsequitur]

Vanden Saab said:

I have not met a single person who would wear a mask if they did not have to. Anybody who still wears one after they are not mandated will be treated the same way as somebody wearing sandals and socks. There may be a few businesses where they are insisted upon but I think they will quickly change their minds when their takings go through the floor.

Sandals and socks?:

[omniflow]

monkfish1 said:

dmahon said:

They have not said that masks are coming off on the 21st June. Not a hope in hell that will happen.

This^^^

The OP's question isnt relevant as at no point has it been indicated that masks will no longer be required after 21st June. I think we can safely assume they will still be mandated. Probably permanently. Certainly there are agitators in SAGE etc pushing hard for this to be so.

Not sure I'm as pessimistic as both of you.

What I have seen is:

Step 4 - No sooner than June 21

- All limits on social contact, such as rule of six, to be removed for both indoor and outdoor settings
- Rest of society to reopen, such as nightclubs and other businesses which did not reopen following first lockdown
- Social distancing will remain in place until Step 4, with a review taking place ahead of that date looking at how the advice can be removed

So, whilst there is nothing there explicitly referring to masks, there is a glimmer of hope.

Also - and probably something for SP&L - I believe that some (hopefully ALL) of the laws around Covid restrictions are time limited and will no longer be in force - therefore, places like supermarkets couldn't say you MUST wear a mask by law.

[InitialDave]

BOR said:

I'll wear one if it winds up anti-mask freeman-of-the-land types.

Yeah... I'm not a fan of the masks, though I don't find wearing one when I need to is particularly troublesome. Will likely stop wearing one when no longer required to.

But if it really gets Mail readers and the like frothed up, I could be persuaded to carry on with one.

[m_cozzy]

I will certainly continue not to wear one to get the mask lovers foaming & frothing.

[Tankrizzo]

Quisling said:

You know what REALLY winds us as freeman wibble types

People walking around with a pineapple shoved up their ass

you should do that

You have no idea how angry it will make me

nice to see you back wigglebum!