CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 17)
Discussion
vixen1700 said:
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/20/en...
Hospital units facing risk of closing over forced covid injections.
Interesting as my wife saw the internal Trust email yesterday and they’re very worried. Turns out a lot more staff are against it than first thought. Unfortunately it seems both “sides” are becoming more entrenched and the non-jabbed are starting to get abuse from the happy-jabbers, no doubt urged on by the hate campaigns in the media
Cheers for the link, I've asked a very vocal (ie a total Hospital units facing risk of closing over forced covid injections.
Interesting as my wife saw the internal Trust email yesterday and they’re very worried. Turns out a lot more staff are against it than first thought. Unfortunately it seems both “sides” are becoming more entrenched and the non-jabbed are starting to get abuse from the happy-jabbers, no doubt urged on by the hate campaigns in the media
) poster on another board his thoughts on this. An NHS worker apparently. “I wouldn’t want to work with someone too thick to take the vaccine”
“they’re putting patient and colleague lives in danger”
“they’re f
king scum so don’t matter”“better off without them”
Non-jabbed have started lodging grievances with HR.
Meanwhile in South Africa - home of the super scary Omicron variant, and a country not opposed to draconian measures themselves:
https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Witt/status/147260362...
"We propose that quarantining (on close contacts) be discontinued with immediate effect, for both vaccinated and unvaccinated contacts".
https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Witt/status/147260362...
"We propose that quarantining (on close contacts) be discontinued with immediate effect, for both vaccinated and unvaccinated contacts".
tigamilla said:
Luckily most Brits don't think that way from what I have seen. The comments on Andrew Neil's Daily Mail article last week were overwhelmingly against what he was advocating. Most people now seem to understand that vax passports wouldn't do anything to stem the disease as vaccinated can still pass it on and get it themselves - as Europe is showing us.
I hope so too - as I said in my post, I'm trying to tell myself that the "get tough on the unvaxxed" crowd are a small minority of scared nutters. Or in Andrew Neil's case, a bitter and twisted serial failure.I don't share your optimism about vaccine passports, I'm afraid (although I fully agree with you). Far too many people that I know, who I wouldn't class as loons, say "Oh, I don't mind having a vaccine passport for a few months. It will mean we can get back to normal much sooner." I find the casual acceptance of medical apartheid, and the naive gifting of control to politicians to be truly scary.
That said, most people I talk to are 50+, middle class, work from home and are triple vaccinated. Perhaps I'm seeing a narrow slice of society.
Brave Fart said:
I sense a hardening in attitude amongst the vaccinated to those who are not. On Naga Munchetty's "Your Call" this morning on 5 Live, there were several callers demanding restrictions for the unvaccinated. When she asked "what restrictions would you impose?", the answer was essentially house arrest. One caller insisted that you should have a covid passport to enter "any public place where there are other people". And if you haven't been vaccinated? "Tough. You'll stay at home until you comply."
Another thing I keep hearing is this: "any unvaccinated person who gets covid should be denied treatment."
Given that the virus will never vanish, and given that (per the ONS) over 98% of people have antibodies to covid in their blood, this mood swing to scapegoat the "filthy unvaxxed" is a very dangerous and unpleasant trend. I really hope it is limited to a few nutjobs. Including, I might add, Andrew Neil.
I'm more than happy for the unvaxxed to be told to stay in for 2-4 weeks. Another thing I keep hearing is this: "any unvaccinated person who gets covid should be denied treatment."
Given that the virus will never vanish, and given that (per the ONS) over 98% of people have antibodies to covid in their blood, this mood swing to scapegoat the "filthy unvaxxed" is a very dangerous and unpleasant trend. I really hope it is limited to a few nutjobs. Including, I might add, Andrew Neil.
It will show exactly who it is spreading this, and it is not the unvaxxed.
As I said last night, my son in law is in a show, 68 of them, 6 of whom are unvaxxed, outbreak of Covid (they have to test daily) and 54 tested positive, all of them vaccinated, not one unvaccinated tested positive.
These are people working together every day in very close contact and house sharing too.
But, should also say, no one particularly ill, more sniffles and a bit of a temperature, all said they could easily carry on, but the show is cancelled. Problem is, they are now not getting paid for the rest of the show, so that is a couple of grand he is out of pocket, because the company can't afford to pay them, they have just had to refund 10 shows, which is nearly 3/4 million pounds, they could go bust, for people having a sniffle. They have a sniffle at this point every year.
The show was meant to end Xmas Eve.
One other thing, is this actually Covid?
The reason I say that is, so far, not one person has found evidence of someone getting Covid19 and then getting it again. Sure people have tested positive using a LFT or PCR twice, but not one person who has been 100% confirmed with CV19 has ever been found to test positive again. People think they have, but not one case worldwide been found positive.
There are quite a few in that show who think they have had CV19 previously, so was it CV19 before, is this CV19 now?
Cure worse than the disease?
Yeah I think it is now.
I think it is too late now to save the economy, my brother has been speaking to people in the restaurant industry over the last week or so and it is pretty much over for many of them, I am getting the same from retailers, theatre industry is in serious trouble.
I really do think life as we have known it is over, we will all need to get used a new normal in the next couple of years.
New monetary system, a different outlook to how we earn money, owning stuff, universal basic income etc.
It is going to be very different.
richardxjr said:
g3org3y said:
People believe this s
t too. They lap it up. BTW#FBJ #FJB
Some professor on breakfast TV this morning "170K have died of Covid".
I can't help but shout "you fking liar" every time this ste is spouted by some little st that is enjoying their moment in the limelight.
Why oh why does no interviewer ever pick them up on this. In spite of the fact I'm not usually of the tin foil brigade I'm starting to wonder. But, I'm done with Covid, Done with being jabbed. In my professional life I'll comply with the law as I have no choice but otherwise that's it.
I can't help but shout "you f
king liar" every time this ste is spouted by some little st that is enjoying their moment in the limelight.Why oh why does no interviewer ever pick them up on this. In spite of the fact I'm not usually of the tin foil brigade I'm starting to wonder. But, I'm done with Covid, Done with being jabbed. In my professional life I'll comply with the law as I have no choice but otherwise that's it.
Harry H said:
Some professor on breakfast TV this morning "170K have died of Covid".
I can't help but shout "you fking liar" every time this ste is spouted by some little st that is enjoying their moment in the limelight.
Why oh why does no interviewer ever pick them up on this. In spite of the fact I'm not usually of the tin foil brigade I'm starting to wonder. But, I'm done with Covid, Done with being jabbed. In my professional life I'll comply with the law as I have no choice but otherwise that's it.
It'll get worse, it'll get ever louder and ever more ludicrous.I can't help but shout "you f
king liar" every time this ste is spouted by some little st that is enjoying their moment in the limelight.Why oh why does no interviewer ever pick them up on this. In spite of the fact I'm not usually of the tin foil brigade I'm starting to wonder. But, I'm done with Covid, Done with being jabbed. In my professional life I'll comply with the law as I have no choice but otherwise that's it.
But, slowly, people will realise what is happening here and wake the f
k up.Might be too late though.
Everyone I speak to thinks it's all a load of bks. I genuinely think that the majority of the population have had enough now. Maybe this could be Boris's get out of jail card. By ignoring all the doom-mongers he could carry a large group of conservative voters with him and in the process re invigorate himself as a hero.
He's toast otherwise.
ks. I genuinely think that the majority of the population have had enough now. Maybe this could be Boris's get out of jail card. By ignoring all the doom-mongers he could carry a large group of conservative voters with him and in the process re invigorate himself as a hero.He's toast otherwise.
tigamilla said:
Luckily most Brits don't think that way from what I have seen. The comments on Andrew Neil's Daily Mail article last week were overwhelmingly against what he was advocating. Most people now seem to understand that vax passports wouldn't do anything to stem the disease as vaccinated can still pass it on and get it themselves - as Europe is showing us.
Therefore the vaccinated should be locked in - If the vaccination reduces the effects, they won't know they are spreading it. As a friend said at the start of first lockdown "If anyone affected had a red nose we could avoid them"BTW I'm not anti-vaccine per-se, having had 2 covid jabs (very unsure about more)
bigee said:
J210 said:
Cabinet meeting at 2...
Will Boris the brave prevail? Stories of the big hitters in cabinet are against more restrictions, but of course that could be merely positioning themselves for their own futures.....the truth of the matter is that 'if' this virus is as transmissible as Sage say then it is already too late to prevent anything ( but of course causing more damage with the measures as well as ultimately the same virus damage)Basically, grow some balls Boris ! We know you know how to use them....
I would assume they go at this stage with the lowest level of additional restrictions e.g. voluntarily asking people to minimise their contacts. That leaves the way open for the "coercive" measures next week.
LazyMechanic said:
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I'm more than happy for the unvaxxed to be told to stay in for 2-4 weeks.
It will show exactly who it is spreading this, and it is not the unvaxxed.
Haha, I know what you mean, but I assume it's a tongue in cheek comment.I'm more than happy for the unvaxxed to be told to stay in for 2-4 weeks.
It will show exactly who it is spreading this, and it is not the unvaxxed.
It won't be long before the word "unvaccinated" will mean "anyone who hasn't had a booster or 3rd Dose." Which, right now, is about 17 million eligible adults in the UK. Locking up that number of people would be interesting!
richardxjr said:
irc said:
We should have a lockdown.
Anyone who is old and in ill health or otherwise at serious risk should self isolate and lock themselves down. We can't continue locking down the 98%(or whatever) to protect the 2% that are at risk.
No, it's not necessary to lock anyone down.Anyone who is old and in ill health or otherwise at serious risk should self isolate and lock themselves down. We can't continue locking down the 98%(or whatever) to protect the 2% that are at risk.
They can creep out once a day in a mask to buy essentials and get vaccines, work from home and bathe in hand sanitiser while the rest of us get on with life.
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
If it’s anything like what my wife is going through, he’ll declare
“I wouldn’t want to work with someone too thick to take the vaccine”
“they’re putting patient and colleague lives in danger”
“they’re fking scum so don’t matter”
“better off without them”
Non-jabbed have started lodging grievances with HR.
To be fair, he did reply reasonably which was a surprise. “I wouldn’t want to work with someone too thick to take the vaccine”
“they’re putting patient and colleague lives in danger”
“they’re f
king scum so don’t matter”“better off without them”
Non-jabbed have started lodging grievances with HR.
That must be awful for her.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
richardxjr said:
irc said:
We should have a lockdown.
Anyone who is old and in ill health or otherwise at serious risk should self isolate and lock themselves down. We can't continue locking down the 98%(or whatever) to protect the 2% that are at risk.
No, it's not necessary to lock anyone down.Anyone who is old and in ill health or otherwise at serious risk should self isolate and lock themselves down. We can't continue locking down the 98%(or whatever) to protect the 2% that are at risk.
They can creep out once a day in a mask to buy essentials and get vaccines, work from home and bathe in hand sanitiser while the rest of us get on with life.
LazyMechanic said:
Brave Fart said:
I sense a hardening in attitude amongst the vaccinated to those who are not. On Naga Munchetty's "Your Call" this morning on 5 Live, there were several callers demanding restrictions for the unvaccinated. When she asked "what restrictions would you impose?", the answer was essentially house arrest. One caller insisted that you should have a covid passport to enter "any public place where there are other people". And if you haven't been vaccinated? "Tough. You'll stay at home until you comply."
Another thing I keep hearing is this: "any unvaccinated person who gets covid should be denied treatment."
Given that the virus will never vanish, and given that (per the ONS) over 98% of people have antibodies to covid in their blood, this mood swing to scapegoat the "filthy unvaxxed" is a very dangerous and unpleasant trend. I really hope it is limited to a few nutjobs. Including, I might add, Andrew Neil.
I'm more than happy for the unvaxxed to be told to stay in for 2-4 weeks. Another thing I keep hearing is this: "any unvaccinated person who gets covid should be denied treatment."
Given that the virus will never vanish, and given that (per the ONS) over 98% of people have antibodies to covid in their blood, this mood swing to scapegoat the "filthy unvaxxed" is a very dangerous and unpleasant trend. I really hope it is limited to a few nutjobs. Including, I might add, Andrew Neil.
It will show exactly who it is spreading this, and it is not the unvaxxed.
As I said last night, my son in law is in a show, 68 of them, 6 of whom are unvaxxed, outbreak of Covid (they have to test daily) and 54 tested positive, all of them vaccinated, not one unvaccinated tested positive.
These are people working together every day in very close contact and house sharing too.
But, should also say, no one particularly ill, more sniffles and a bit of a temperature, all said they could easily carry on, but the show is cancelled. Problem is, they are now not getting paid for the rest of the show, so that is a couple of grand he is out of pocket, because the company can't afford to pay them, they have just had to refund 10 shows, which is nearly 3/4 million pounds, they could go bust, for people having a sniffle. They have a sniffle at this point every year.
The show was meant to end Xmas Eve.
One other thing, is this actually Covid?
The reason I say that is, so far, not one person has found evidence of someone getting Covid19 and then getting it again. Sure people have tested positive using a LFT or PCR twice, but not one person who has been 100% confirmed with CV19 has ever been found to test positive again. People think they have, but not one case worldwide been found positive.
There are quite a few in that show who think they have had CV19 previously, so was it CV19 before, is this CV19 now?
Cure worse than the disease?
Yeah I think it is now.
I think it is too late now to save the economy, my brother has been speaking to people in the restaurant industry over the last week or so and it is pretty much over for many of them, I am getting the same from retailers, theatre industry is in serious trouble.
I really do think life as we have known it is over, we will all need to get used a new normal in the next couple of years.
New monetary system, a different outlook to how we earn money, owning stuff, universal basic income etc.
It is going to be very different.
I will say again, that Doris is being attacked from all sides.
IMPHO because he is not towing the cabal line.
Most unwashed sheeple are scared of the virus. Totally oblivious to the real threat that will invert the comfy Western life that have come to take for granted.
Queue the tin foil pointing haters…
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