Awful driving incident leaves one dead

Awful driving incident leaves one dead

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rambo19

2,752 posts

139 months

Monday 19th February
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Iv'e had a look into my crystal ball.

Innit bruv in a hire car.

ColdoRS

1,810 posts

129 months

Monday 19th February
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rambo19 said:
Iv'e had a look into my crystal ball.

Innit bruv in a hire car.
Yep.

White Audi.
Birmingham.
Inshallah.

Biggy Stardust

7,004 posts

46 months

Monday 19th February
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paulw123 said:
If he's found to be to blame I hope he get the book thrown at him
I doubt that anyone else will be found at fault in this scenario.

Pit Pony

8,834 posts

123 months

Monday 19th February
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MitchT said:
oyster said:
But I'm struggling to see how car drivers and passengers have got seriously hurt in such an impact.
The car that's hit from behind is accelerated pretty much instantly to a fairly high speed and then stopped pretty much instantly by the two cars that it hits, one of which is traveling in the opposite direction. There's only so much that passive safety devices can do to mitigate the kind of internal injuries that this will cause.
If by stationary it means parked with the engine off, and the driver has removed his seat belt, there would be no airbags and no seat belt, so mitigation would be minimal.

oyster

12,652 posts

250 months

Tuesday 20th February
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When I see things like this I feel we need another category of offence for them to be prosecuted with.
It's so far beyond what is acceptable that it's an offence against the very fabric of our society.

Similar to how the looters in 2011 were treated more harshly.

MitchT

15,963 posts

211 months

Tuesday 20th February
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Pit Pony said:
If by stationary it means parked with the engine off, and the driver has removed his seat belt, there would be no airbags and no seat belt, so mitigation would be minimal.
The car the took the brunt of the impact (looks like a black G20 3 Series) was in traffic, so probably had all its safety features active even if it wasn't moving. It wasn't parked and switched off so it was most likely still "live", even if stop/start had turned the engine off.

fiatpower

3,067 posts

173 months

Tuesday 20th February
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ColdoRS said:
rambo19 said:
Iv'e had a look into my crystal ball.

Innit bruv in a hire car.
Yep.

White Audi.
Birmingham.
Inshallah.
Almost certainly. There's one up my road who is really starting to pee me off. He's mid 20's if that, lives at home and drives a G63 AMG. We live in a 150m long cul de sac with them at the end. Numerous times every day you hear him flooring it up and down the road comfortably over 30mph, squirming all over the place when it's wet. The other day he half mounted the kerb as our neighbour had his car on the road and continued to drive down most of the pavement at the same speed. It's only a matter of time before he smashes it somewhere.

I've asked him to slow down to which I got a load of abuse. Short of slashing his tyres there's nothing I can do as I have no proof to give to the police unless I buy a camera to watch the road. At which point he'll get at most a slap on the wrist if anything and i'll have some vengeful neighbours and a load of his bruv mates to contend with.

Otispunkmeyer

12,657 posts

157 months

Tuesday 20th February
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MitchT said:
oyster said:
But I'm struggling to see how car drivers and passengers have got seriously hurt in such an impact.
The car that's hit from behind is accelerated pretty much instantly to a fairly high speed and then stopped pretty much instantly by the two cars that it hits, one of which is traveling in the opposite direction. There's only so much that passive safety devices can do to mitigate the kind of internal injuries that this will cause.
Can't jolts like that, if strong enough, effectively separate the base of the skull from the spine? Lights out!

Greendubber

13,261 posts

205 months

Tuesday 20th February
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Lots of examples of driving like that in Birmingham sadly.

Hungrymc

6,702 posts

139 months

Tuesday 20th February
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Similar level of stupidity to the Range Rover Sport that ended up on a train line having flown over a Tesla dealer while ejecting passengers.

Trouble is that the only way to deal with these people is for them to be physically caught in the act. Cameras unlikely to work due to combination of false plates / unclear registered keeper / unknown driver etc. And that type of policing seems far less common these days. The driving was utterly insane

WCZ

10,570 posts

196 months

Tuesday 20th February
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typical birmingham/bradford driving tbh

MitchT

15,963 posts

211 months

Tuesday 20th February
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WCZ said:
typical birmingham/bradford driving tbh
Yep. Seen plenty of identical driving around Bradford - same kind of road, same level of traffic, same kind of speed involved... mercifully without the same outcome on the occasions I've witnessed it so far.

Tango13

8,508 posts

178 months

Tuesday 20th February
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Otispunkmeyer said:
MitchT said:
oyster said:
But I'm struggling to see how car drivers and passengers have got seriously hurt in such an impact.
The car that's hit from behind is accelerated pretty much instantly to a fairly high speed and then stopped pretty much instantly by the two cars that it hits, one of which is traveling in the opposite direction. There's only so much that passive safety devices can do to mitigate the kind of internal injuries that this will cause.
Can't jolts like that, if strong enough, effectively separate the base of the skull from the spine? Lights out!
Yep, it's how and why the HANS devices came about, modern race cars became so strong that the car would stop very suddenly, the drivers body would also stop very suddenly but the unrestrained head with an extra 1.5kg of helmet would try to carry on resulting in a basilar skull fracture, effectively being hanged in reverse.

Shortly after the HANS devices were made compulsory in Indycar or CART (can't remember what they were calling themselves at the time) someone put a car into the wall almost head on at 200mph and limped away with a sore foot instead of almost certain death.

Catweazle

1,208 posts

144 months

Tuesday 20th February
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fiatpower said:
Almost certainly. There's one up my road who is really starting to pee me off. He's mid 20's if that, lives at home and drives a G63 AMG. We live in a 150m long cul de sac with them at the end. Numerous times every day you hear him flooring it up and down the road comfortably over 30mph, squirming all over the place when it's wet. The other day he half mounted the kerb as our neighbour had his car on the road and continued to drive down most of the pavement at the same speed. It's only a matter of time before he smashes it somewhere.

I've asked him to slow down to which I got a load of abuse. Short of slashing his tyres there's nothing I can do as I have no proof to give to the police unless I buy a camera to watch the road. At which point he'll get at most a slap on the wrist if anything and i'll have some vengeful neighbours and a load of his bruv mates to contend with.
Crimestoppers is anonymous.

J4CKO

41,770 posts

202 months

Tuesday 20th February
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Catweazle said:
fiatpower said:
Almost certainly. There's one up my road who is really starting to pee me off. He's mid 20's if that, lives at home and drives a G63 AMG. We live in a 150m long cul de sac with them at the end. Numerous times every day you hear him flooring it up and down the road comfortably over 30mph, squirming all over the place when it's wet. The other day he half mounted the kerb as our neighbour had his car on the road and continued to drive down most of the pavement at the same speed. It's only a matter of time before he smashes it somewhere.

I've asked him to slow down to which I got a load of abuse. Short of slashing his tyres there's nothing I can do as I have no proof to give to the police unless I buy a camera to watch the road. At which point he'll get at most a slap on the wrist if anything and i'll have some vengeful neighbours and a load of his bruv mates to contend with.
Crimestoppers is anonymous.
Get some video, nip into your local nick and show them, they may want to set up a little suprise for him of a copper with a radar gun.

Sheepshanks

33,068 posts

121 months

Tuesday 20th February
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fiatpower said:
Almost certainly. There's one up my road who is really starting to pee me off. He's mid 20's if that, lives at home and drives a G63 AMG. We live in a 150m long cul de sac with them at the end. Numerous times every day you hear him flooring it up and down the road comfortably over 30mph, squirming all over the place when it's wet. The other day he half mounted the kerb as our neighbour had his car on the road and continued to drive down most of the pavement at the same speed. It's only a matter of time before he smashes it somewhere.

I've asked him to slow down to which I got a load of abuse. Short of slashing his tyres there's nothing I can do as I have no proof to give to the police unless I buy a camera to watch the road. At which point he'll get at most a slap on the wrist if anything and i'll have some vengeful neighbours and a load of his bruv mates to contend with.
He could be issued with a Section 59 order. Car will be impounded if he’s caught after that.

dudleybloke

19,983 posts

188 months

Wednesday 21st February
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Dukes of Hazzard fans on the Coventry Road, Birmingham.

https://youtu.be/-BVIZXoWsYQ?feature=shared

matchmaker

8,516 posts

202 months

Wednesday 21st February
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oyster said:
When I see things like this I feel we need another category of offence for them to be prosecuted with.
It's so far beyond what is acceptable that it's an offence against the very fabric of our society.

Similar to how the looters in 2011 were treated more harshly.
The driver could be charged with vehicular manslaughter instead of causing death by dangerous driving. Carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.

Countdown

40,180 posts

198 months

Wednesday 21st February
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matchmaker said:
oyster said:
When I see things like this I feel we need another category of offence for them to be prosecuted with.
It's so far beyond what is acceptable that it's an offence against the very fabric of our society.

Similar to how the looters in 2011 were treated more harshly.
The driver could be charged with vehicular manslaughter instead of causing death by dangerous driving. Carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.
Wasn't there some talk about increasing the sentence for CDbDD ?

I don't think we need a new offence. I think we need to increase the sentences for the current offence. I'd also like to see twuntish driving being punished by the car being seized and crushed.

119

6,924 posts

38 months

Wednesday 21st February
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Countdown said:
matchmaker said:
oyster said:
When I see things like this I feel we need another category of offence for them to be prosecuted with.
It's so far beyond what is acceptable that it's an offence against the very fabric of our society.

Similar to how the looters in 2011 were treated more harshly.
The driver could be charged with vehicular manslaughter instead of causing death by dangerous driving. Carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.
Wasn't there some talk about increasing the sentence for CDbDD ?

I don't think we need a new offence. I think we need to increase the sentences for the current offence. I'd also like to see twuntish driving being punished by the car being seized and crushed.
Gets my vote.