UK smoking ban for those born after 2009
Discussion
Nomme de Plum said:
andy43 said:
Tom8 said:
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
Good! Another nail in the coffin of tobacco is a good thing.
Why?Don't want to come across as a Saddick Khan and/or a miserable anti-freedom muppet but the sooner it's stopped the better.
Andy (mother-in-law died October from a COPD attack, father died 2013 of a heart attack while he was in hospital waiting for them to take his stage 4 cancer-ridden jaw to bits and replace it with bits from elsewhere.)
Did you know that some of those tobacco companies have invested heavily in the food industry and in particular the selling of addictive highly processed foods?
So having been responsible for the deaths and damaged lives of many millions of tobacco consumers they have now moved one step further into the gutter to damage the lives of children as well as adults.
Of course it's just business and completely legal.
Cigarette tax (or rather tobacco tax) raises £10bn a year. Smoking related illnesses cost the NHS £17bn a year - according to the BBC.
New Zealand's Labour Govt were the first to moot this sort of law. All was going well until they lost rhe GE and National (Conservative) have very publicly dropped it. For the varying reasons voiced on this thread - unworkable, black market, smokers reducing anyway...
New Zealand's Labour Govt were the first to moot this sort of law. All was going well until they lost rhe GE and National (Conservative) have very publicly dropped it. For the varying reasons voiced on this thread - unworkable, black market, smokers reducing anyway...
Vanden Saab said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
Vanden Saab said:
Excellent, alcohol next as it costs far more in lives and NHS time than smoking does. Let's see how many calling for this also want alcohol banned.
Bet it wlll be different somehow.
How did that work out in prohibition America?Bet it wlll be different somehow.
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Cigarette tax (or rather tobacco tax) raises £10bn a year. Smoking related illnesses cost the NHS £17bn a year - according to the BBC.
New Zealand's Labour Govt were the first to moot this sort of law. All was going well until they lost rhe GE and National (Conservative) have very publicly dropped it. For the varying reasons voiced on this thread - unworkable, black market, smokers reducing anyway...
Assuming that's just the NHS cost. What about the impaired health thus meaning much more sickness and work under performance and abscence.New Zealand's Labour Govt were the first to moot this sort of law. All was going well until they lost rhe GE and National (Conservative) have very publicly dropped it. For the varying reasons voiced on this thread - unworkable, black market, smokers reducing anyway...
I do not agree with many of Sunak's policies but as a legacy this is pretty spectacular. In a good way.
Nomme de Plum said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Cigarette tax (or rather tobacco tax) raises £10bn a year. Smoking related illnesses cost the NHS £17bn a year - according to the BBC.
New Zealand's Labour Govt were the first to moot this sort of law. All was going well until they lost rhe GE and National (Conservative) have very publicly dropped it. For the varying reasons voiced on this thread - unworkable, black market, smokers reducing anyway...
Assuming that's just the NHS cost. What about the impaired health thus meaning much more sickness and work under performance and abscence.New Zealand's Labour Govt were the first to moot this sort of law. All was going well until they lost rhe GE and National (Conservative) have very publicly dropped it. For the varying reasons voiced on this thread - unworkable, black market, smokers reducing anyway...
I do not agree with many of Sunak's policies but as a legacy this is pretty spectacular. In a good way.
Note that the negative cost of air pollution is £6 billion to the the NHS and alcohol is only £1.7 billion (I think), which surprises me considering how busy the hospitals are with alcohol related casualties. I am guessing alcohol related sickness and work under performance and absence must be high too.
An interesting one.
I smoke maybe 15 roll ups/day. It's getting ridiculously expensive, but I suppose I can afford it.
I was always under the impression that the NHS made a net profit, i.e. cost of relatively fast death through cancer v tobacco tax raised.
As others have alluded to, the cost/benefit may not be so straightforward. Neutral perhaps??
I smoke maybe 15 roll ups/day. It's getting ridiculously expensive, but I suppose I can afford it.
I was always under the impression that the NHS made a net profit, i.e. cost of relatively fast death through cancer v tobacco tax raised.
As others have alluded to, the cost/benefit may not be so straightforward. Neutral perhaps??
Oliver Hardy said:
How is it less harmful than tobacco?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-h...
It is not tobacco that causes health problems it is the smoke.
Not likely that that dick’s actions were because he was stoned. I’ve known hundreds of recreational cannabis users during my life and every single one of them has been chilled out and relaxed when stoned, never aggressive. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-h...
It is not tobacco that causes health problems it is the smoke.
But sure, blame it on that “evil weed”.
HRL said:
Oliver Hardy said:
How is it less harmful than tobacco?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-h...
It is not tobacco that causes health problems it is the smoke.
Not likely that that dick’s actions were because he was stoned. I’ve known hundreds of recreational cannabis users during my life and every single one of them has been chilled out and relaxed when stoned, never aggressive. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-h...
It is not tobacco that causes health problems it is the smoke.
But sure, blame it on that “evil weed”.
Geffg said:
HRL said:
Oliver Hardy said:
How is it less harmful than tobacco?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-h...
It is not tobacco that causes health problems it is the smoke.
Not likely that that dick’s actions were because he was stoned. I’ve known hundreds of recreational cannabis users during my life and every single one of them has been chilled out and relaxed when stoned, never aggressive. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-h...
It is not tobacco that causes health problems it is the smoke.
But sure, blame it on that “evil weed”.
Certain shops around here already do a roaring trade in black market cigs at £5 a packet, this will just increase the trade more
Nomme de Plum said:
Assuming that's just the NHS cost. What about the impaired health thus meaning much more sickness and work under performance and abscence.
I do not agree with many of Sunak's policies but as a legacy this is pretty spectacular. In a good way.
Not that it has much hope of making it through parliament before the next election. A cynic might suggest that's not by accident.I do not agree with many of Sunak's policies but as a legacy this is pretty spectacular. In a good way.
The similar policy in Australia is going really well.
https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oc...
https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oc...
Whenever there is any kind of curtailment of smoking it seems to bring out a very binary response of relative enmity to tobacco and its users or frustration at a restriction in freedoms.
In my view our brains are wired to need some kind of psychoactive or psychotropic substance or activity that mimics that effect. Life is so damned hard we all need something to help us cope with the ups and downs.
It’s a paradox that these activities/ substances:
In my view our brains are wired to need some kind of psychoactive or psychotropic substance or activity that mimics that effect. Life is so damned hard we all need something to help us cope with the ups and downs.
It’s a paradox that these activities/ substances:
- Bring us all together.
- Attract levy’s and duty as they become more popular
- Wane with discoveries of relative harm to self or others
Newc said:
The similar policy in Australia is going really well.
https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oc...
Infiltrated by organised crime you say? Whodathunk!https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/oc...
HRL said:
Oliver Hardy said:
How is it less harmful than tobacco?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-h...
It is not tobacco that causes health problems it is the smoke.
Not likely that that dick’s actions were because he was stoned. I’ve known hundreds of recreational cannabis users during my life and every single one of them has been chilled out and relaxed when stoned, never aggressive. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-h...
It is not tobacco that causes health problems it is the smoke.
But sure, blame it on that “evil weed”.
https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/menta...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/01/quadru...
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-featu...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8144275/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/03/cannab...
Nomme de Plum said:
Assuming that's just the NHS cost. What about the impaired health thus meaning much more sickness and work under performance and abscence.
I do not agree with many of Sunak's policies but as a legacy this is pretty spectacular. In a good way.
It's unenforceable bks, this lot twiddled their thumbs while the vape makers wooed children with brightly coloured packaging, sweet flavours and wall-to-wall advertising on social media and hooked a new generation to cancer sticks, now they're dying on their arse in the polls they're scrabbling for something, anything, that might distract from the mighty spinning bowtie extravaganza of failure this govt is. A crackdown on disposable vapes, marketing to kids and lawbreaking vendors would have been a good idea 5 years ago, this stable door has been swinging in the wind for a while.I do not agree with many of Sunak's policies but as a legacy this is pretty spectacular. In a good way.
It does seem ridiculous. I could procure various classes of illicit drugs in no time at all 24/7 round here, same with vapes & booze. Then there's the amount of people on some sort of prescription from their GP, many with serious side effects &/or addictive qualities, such as antidepressants.
The plan seems utterly unenforceable, as with almost all prohibitions.
The plan seems utterly unenforceable, as with almost all prohibitions.
I'm not a smoker and never have. Nor do I really know of any smokers apart from my wife's aunt. I wouldn't ban it and don't see how it's enforceable. In my opinion in a generation or so it will have pretty much died out apart from the odd smoker so may as well let that happen naturally. I also despise Cannabis but i'd legalise it and make it controlled to get tax off it and hopefully control what is being taken by people.
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