Safety Deposit Raids by Police......

[Hedders]

julian64 said:

I think people who complain about the rising violence, lawlessness and then whinge on when the police do something positive about it because it infringes some mythical civil liberty they think they have are the worst sort of nimbys.

Mythical civil liberties..

That about sums it up for me!

[mondeoman]

julian64 said:

I say good on them. Much better they do this than jail another smackhead stealing to fund his habit at my expense. This is a terrible thread full of rubbish.

Poor old police in this country can't win.

I don't believe half the statements on this thread. I don't believe a GP gets stopped and £130 confiscated because it seemed like a lot of money.

I don't believe the police waste their time on this stuff. Neither do I think the vast majority of police want a police state.

I think hiding a large sum of money in a divorce isn't a smiley handshake thing, its bloody dishonest, and the guy who does it ought to have a police record for dishonesty. It certainly isn't a legitimate reason I would want to protect privacy for.

I think targetting the people who profit in the misery of smackheads deserve this and a lot more.

I think people who complain about the rising violence, lawlessness and then whinge on when the police do something positive about it because it infringes some mythical civil liberty they think they have are the worst sort of nimbys.

for the police.

Grade A bellend

[Spokey]

BJWoods said:

isn't everyone getting a bit overexited about 'police state' etc..

There are many such deposit companies are they raided - NO.

This one was used as a front, the companie involved in drugs, so every box is suspect.

GOOD TARGETED - (for a change) police work, which will seriously impact some major crims.

B

Yeah, sure, whatever.

Every box is a crime scene. I'll bet a pound that in the not-too-distant future, this raid will be used as justification for other raids on venues that aren't criminal fronts and the whole process will repeat itself. If you're not a criminal, why isn't your money in a bank?

[Tampon]

Ribol said:

Tampon said:

Every box is a crime scene, they thought that dodgy people were doing dodgy stuff there, got a warrant to search, they were right, found lots of stuff. They don't know whihc boxes are "dodgy " so they open them all, the ones with people "grandfathers watches" toodle along and say

"I am not a drug dealer, I live down the road can I have my watch"
"yes sir, sorry about that, we have found lots of dodgy stuff here, you are connected to this place, this place is seriously dodgy, could I have your details, just in case"

I think that is reasonable, they weren't wrong, they just need to find out which of the money is involved in serious international crime.

Wrong – every box is a privately rented safety deposit box to store valuables in, not a criminal investigation which is how they are treating each box. Out of 7000 they have smashed open the majority did not need to be and this could easily have been done another way. They could have taken over the three branches and called the people to come and collect their property. The majority would have taken their stuff leaving the rest for the Police to focus on.
I think the way they have gone about this almost smacks of some sort of Police PR exercise, showing us they do something for their wages. They have also seen it an a golden opportunity to have a nose about and see what else they can turn up.

If you lived in a town with 7000 homes and word got around about some people making a living from crime. Would you be happy to have your home turned over by the Police, stuff removed and then told to explain where you got it from? That is exactly what is going on here and I would question how legal the way they have gone about this actually is.

Whilst I am all in favour of the Police dealing with crime, I for one do not wish to go through life being treated as a criminal on the off chance I might be one.

Again that seem s quite a extreme analogy, the guys who run the place have been arrested so there is a strong suspicion they are involved. So therefore everything in the place could be taint, made up or fabricated ( I think a reasonable suspicion under the circumstances of the suspicious and the evidence they have found).

They don't "just want to nose around in other people stuff" they want to see if what in the boxes is related to the other stuff they have found ) the only way they can do that is by looking through them, how else do you propose they see whats going on in there ? just call people and ask them to collect there property ( as you suggested ) ? what if the was a front man paid to pick up the box with all the coke in it ? surely you can see that they would need to check everything going out of there to stop the criminal just walking out with their unopened boxes with all their ill gotten gains/guns/drugs.

If they did that they are still "poking their noses in", difference is when they poke there noses in, before they tell people or after, in this case it doesn't ( to me at least ) make any bloody bit of difference.

They probably didn't do it that way as any evidence they collect before the people know they are doing it gives them a bigger chance of catching the people who are dodgy. Imagine saying we have taken over XXXX please come and collect your stuff on the news, a big bad crim, is going to hot foot it out of the country asap. Raid the boxes and you might find something to point the finger and maybe catch him before he is gone.

Anyway you look at it they found a serious amount of dodgy stuff, they did that by looking in the boxes, they couldn't do it with asking people to collect the stuff ( which they are doing now ), there is nothing wrong with what they are doing.

As for your analogy, If I lived in a village of 7000 and there was a bunch of kids kidnapped and they had very strong suspicion that they were in my village I would have no problem with the police searching every house in the village and questioning me if they found a child in my house that wasn't mine and finding out who they were.

Police can't just magically pick the right boxes/houses/people, criminals try there hardest to bury things, police have to be able to dig a little or else we just tie their hands. That doesn't give them car-blanch to search everybody, but when there is a suspicion a appropriate response on the strength of that suspicion should be carried out. I feel they were justified in doing what they did, and the evidence proves they were, had they found nothing then there is another matter all together.

A Lot of people bh and whine about police going for soft target al the time, speeding for example, and why aren't they out there catching real criminals, well that's what they are trying to do now and we are bhing about them again. Don't get me wrong I have had bad experiences with police ( one I wrote about on here recently 0 but the reactions n this thread are a bit far fetched, and just predictions as to what is going to happen and how the police will treat you if you had £130 in your pocket, sensational stuff read as if it came out of the front page of the Sun or the daily mail.

Edited by Tampon on Friday 13th June 13:43

[JamesZS]

mondeoman said:

julian64 said:

Stuff

Grade A bellend

Yeah, lets resort to childish name calling. Well done and thankyou for the productive input.

To be fair, it seems that the police are 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' with just about everything. In this case it would either be:
a) bloody police, stealing our liberties and 'keeping tabs' on me
or
b) bloody police, they don't do anything, they're farking useless, they can't do anything, look at all these crims getting away with stuff.

[Jasandjules]

Tampon said:

Again that seem s quite a extreme analogy, the guys who run the place have been arrested so there is a strong suspicion they are involved.

That's funny, I remembe an old man being arrested under Terrorism Laws, for Heckling Big Brother at a Love in. There wasn't much of a suspicion to arrest him as a terrorist, nor indeed anyone who protests within X feet of Parliament, or Truckers etc....

A Balance has to be struck between civil liberties and the power of the legislature to interfere in our lives.

[Horse_Apple]

Hedders said:

Herman Toothrot said:

There is no reason I can think of why anyone would effectively hide money and loose the interest

Personal choice?

Had a bad experience with banks.

Hiding cash from money grabbing ex wife.

The cash was just there for a week and not worth investing.

There's a few for you

Certainly in Hampstead and SJW there always used to a huge number of people who lost everything they had in German and Swiss banks and never lost their wariness.

There will also be a large amount of Indian gold in those boxes.

Plenty of legitimate shotguns, jewellry etc.

All those owners will have documentation and while it will probably take a few weeks they'll just get it all back.

It appears that the company itself was involved in illegal activity which probably prompted all this.

The smart guy will find out where they are processing all of this and wait round the corner for the poor sod who has just picked up his kit and is on his way to put it back in another security box

[Tampon]

Jasandjules said:

Tampon said:

Again that seem s quite a extreme analogy, the guys who run the place have been arrested so there is a strong suspicion they are involved.

That's funny, I remembe an old man being arrested under Terrorism Laws, for Heckling Big Brother at a Love in. There wasn't much of a suspicion to arrest him as a terrorist, nor indeed anyone who protests within X feet of Parliament, or Truckers etc....

A Balance has to be struck between civil liberties and the power of the legislature to interfere in our lives.

I am not sure I understand what your saying ( do you mean big brother tv show or "the police/government ?)

I think you mean that some old bloke got arrested under a certain law whilst show no reasonable cause that he was breaking that law ? if so i don't agree with it whatso ever, and have had experience of a police officer "trying " to arrest me as he didn't like me/had had a bad day and I told him I didn't like being spoken to in the way he was.

But what if they arrested 4 old blokes on terrorism charges outside Parliament protesting under a suspicion that one of them was terrorist based on months of stakeouts and evidence gathering, and found out later that one of them had a bomb strapped to him, I think that would be justification for arresting the other three ? That's how I see this safety box case. Other seem to think it is the equivalent of a random old guy getting arrested for making some noise.

Edited by Tampon on Friday 13th June 13:51

[Tampon]

mickken said:

I'm pretty sure this won't be a one off either......why would it be?

I'm sure safety boxes all over London have been emptied in the last day or two!!

If I was a crim, I would be stting it now, you dare not go and empty it and get caught with it incase it is being watched and you are just waiting for them to raid the place. So you just sit there wondering if you are going to see your millions again.

All in all 1-0 for the police, be nice for some crims to be scared for a change.

[youngsyr]

mickken said:

They recovered £53,000,000 in cash, numerous guns, kilos of drugs and assorted jewelery. £53m in cash!!

£8m was in one box alone, someone, somewhere is not having a good week.

I'm going to call BS on that.

This is what US$1,000,000 looks like in $100 bills. It's reasonable to suggest that £8 million in cash will be 16 times that size even if it was all in £50 notes.



There are 50 notes in each wedge, and 200 wedges in that pile. Obviously £53 million would be around 100 times that. How big exactly is the vault in which this money was supposedly recovered?!

Edited by youngsyr on Friday 13th June 14:03

[youngsyr]

Another pointless fact, assuming each note weighs 1g, £1m in £50 notes weighs approximately 20 kgs, so £8m weighs 160 kgs. That must have been one very big deposit box.

[youngsyr]

mickken said:

youngsyr said:

mickken said:

They recovered £53,000,000 in cash, numerous guns, kilos of drugs and assorted jewelery. £53m in cash!!

£8m was in one box alone, someone, somewhere is not having a good week.

I'm going to call BS on that.

This is what US1,000,000 looks like in $100 bills. It's reasonable to suggest that £8 million in cash will be 16 times that size even if it was all in £50 notes.



There are 50 notes in each wedge, and 2,000 wedges in that pile. Obviously £53 million would be around 100 times that. How big exactly is the vault in which this money was supposedly recovered?!

If each bundle in that pic is $5000 (it seems to say that on the front bundles) and there are 2000 bundles....then there is $10m there....not $1m.

The £8m was a mixture of £ and Euro's (500, 200 and 100 Euro notes). A Euro500 note is worth c.$800.

I got my maths wrong, that is US$1m, but there are only 200 bundles. If you count them, there is no way there are 2000 bundles there. I've edited my previous post.

Even if the money were all in 500 Euro notes, with the current exchange rate of c€1.2:£1, it's still 19,200 notes, which is a hell of a lot, it would be 384 bundles of 50 x €500, which is twice what is shown in that picture.

Supposedly that is how much was in one box, according to the op.

[mondeoman]

JamesZS said:

mondeoman said:

julian64 said:

Stuff

Grade A bellend

Yeah, lets resort to childish name calling. Well done and thankyou for the productive input.

To be fair, it seems that the police are 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' with just about everything. In this case it would either be:
a) bloody police, stealing our liberties and 'keeping tabs' on me
or
b) bloody police, they don't do anything, they're farking useless, they can't do anything, look at all these crims getting away with stuff.

When the Police (or the Government - take your pick) actually focus on dealing with crime rather than running away from it behind CCTV, APNR etc etc etc, then, maybe then I'll take some notice of the crap that gets talked about the police and how wonderful they are and what a tought job they have today.

Until then, yep, I'll carry on with voicing my opinion and yaaa boo sucks to you. I don't want a surveillance state, I don't want the police or any other government agency having access to my house, my place of work, my bank details, my drinking habits, my SAFE deposit box for ANY reason that hasn't been put in front of a judge at least and been tested in some form or other by an impartial party.

NONE of these new measures would've stopped what happened in 07, nor 9/11. We don't need them, they don't work, they never will. If you think they will make one jot of difference in the security of this country, then, I'm afraid, IMHO you ARE a grade A bellend.

[Oakey]

Tampon said:

mickken said:

I'm pretty sure this won't be a one off either......why would it be?

I'm sure safety boxes all over London have been emptied in the last day or two!!

If I was a crim, I would be stting it now, you dare not go and empty it and get caught with it incase it is being watched and you are just waiting for them to raid the place. So you just sit there wondering if you are going to see your millions again.

All in all 1-0 for the police, be nice for some crims to be scared for a change.

If you were a crim you wouldn't really be that bothered about your money. Realistically you wouldn't keep all your eggs in one basket and there'd be plenty more stacks of cash in various other locations. It also wouldn't be difficult to accumulate more given the line of work you'd be involved in.

[neilr]

I think its reasonable to say that the people who are suggesting that the police are 'only doing their jobs' and that people are getting worried over nothing when it comes to this (ie civil liberties, "nothing to hide" etc) are in for a big shock sooner or later.

If you think the majority of police wouldn't want a police state, think again, they are happily policing it into being as we speak. If you think the criminals in whitehall dont want to erode your libities any further and treat us all like potenntial criminals then think again. Naive doesn't quite cover it.

If you have nothing to hide then you have the right to live your life away from the prying eyes of government agents and agencies, NOT to have to live a life of explaining yourself to the state, ITS NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS. 1984 was a warning NOT a blueprint.

The apathetic masses need to rise up and tell the criminals in whitehall that this kind of behaviour is not acceptable and will not be tolorated.

[Herman Toothrot]

$1,000,000 in $2000 $ bundles = 500 bundles, each stack ~18 deep (I can't be arsed to count), would require 27 stacks.

edit
Looking closer at the pic are the bundles $5000 each not $2000? If so only 11 stacks required.

Edited by Herman Toothrot on Friday 13th June 15:41

[mondeoman]

mickken said:

youngsyr said:

mickken said:

youngsyr said:

mickken said:

They recovered £53,000,000 in cash, numerous guns, kilos of drugs and assorted jewelery. £53m in cash!!

£8m was in one box alone, someone, somewhere is not having a good week.

I'm going to call BS on that.

This is what US1,000,000 looks like in $100 bills. It's reasonable to suggest that £8 million in cash will be 16 times that size even if it was all in £50 notes.



There are 50 notes in each wedge, and 2,000 wedges in that pile. Obviously £53 million would be around 100 times that. How big exactly is the vault in which this money was supposedly recovered?!

If each bundle in that pic is $5000 (it seems to say that on the front bundles) and there are 2000 bundles....then there is $10m there....not $1m.

The £8m was a mixture of £ and Euro's (500, 200 and 100 Euro notes). A Euro500 note is worth c.$800.

I got my maths wrong, that is US$1m, but there are only 200 bundles. If you count them, there is no way there are 2000 bundles there. I've edited my previous post.

Even if the money were all in 500 Euro notes, with the current exchange rate of c€1.2:£1, it's still 19,200 notes, which is a hell of a lot, it would be 384 bundles of 50 x €500, which is twice what is shown in that picture.

Supposedly that is how much was in one box, according to the op.

You got your maths wrong again!! That is not $1m...that is alot more that $1m. There is probably $1m in just on the top pile.

Guys...help me out, is guy a retard or just trying to wind me up?

Is it like he says, $1m there. i.e - there are only 200 seperate bundle there?? The piles are 15-20 bundles deep!!

The OP was correct in saying there was £8m in one box alone. What you don't realise is that a box in these places can be a safe. They are all classed as "boxes".

$1m in that pile in $100 notes...get real. It's many many times that.

Edited by mickken on Friday 13th June 14:41

17 rows, each row 3*10 makes 5100 piles, each pile 50 notes @ $50 makes $12,750,000 ie $3/4m per row.

Lot of dosh either way you look at it.

[Tampon]

mondeoman said:

When the Police (or the Government - take your pick) actually focus on dealing with crime rather than running away from it behind CCTV, APNR etc etc etc, then, maybe then I'll take some notice of the crap that gets talked about the police and how wonderful they are and what a tought job they have today.

Until then, yep, I'll carry on with voicing my opinion and yaaa boo sucks to you. I don't want a surveillance state, I don't want the police or any other government agency having access to my house, my place of work, my bank details, my drinking habits, my SAFE deposit box for ANY reason that hasn't been put in front of a judge at least and been tested in some form or other by an impartial party.

NONE of these new measures would've stopped what happened in 07, nor 9/11. We don't need them, they don't work, they never will. If you think they will make one jot of difference in the security of this country, then, I'm afraid, IMHO you ARE a grade A bellend.

The reasons were put to a judge, he deem is reasonable to search the whole place ( as some of the safes where rent with fraudulent details ) and drugs were found along with money and guns. Not like a little bit of money but st loads.

If anything it should reassure you that no one is going to kick your back doors in ( i reread that but left it in to keep it light hearted ) and that the police would only get a warrant on reasonable suspicion an the judge would only issue it with reasonable cause. As this case has demonstraighted.

Also these aren't anythign to do with new measures, this was good old fashuion police work, as they have done for years, no terrorism laws have been used.

[Lonman]

mickken said:

youngsyr said:

mickken said:

youngsyr said:

mickken said:

They recovered £53,000,000 in cash, numerous guns, kilos of drugs and assorted jewelery. £53m in cash!!

£8m was in one box alone, someone, somewhere is not having a good week.

I'm going to call BS on that.

This is what US1,000,000 looks like in $100 bills. It's reasonable to suggest that £8 million in cash will be 16 times that size even if it was all in £50 notes.



There are 50 notes in each wedge, and 2,000 wedges in that pile. Obviously £53 million would be around 100 times that. How big exactly is the vault in which this money was supposedly recovered?!

If each bundle in that pic is $5000 (it seems to say that on the front bundles) and there are 2000 bundles....then there is $10m there....not $1m.

The £8m was a mixture of £ and Euro's (500, 200 and 100 Euro notes). A Euro500 note is worth c.$800.

I got my maths wrong, that is US$1m, but there are only 200 bundles. If you count them, there is no way there are 2000 bundles there. I've edited my previous post.

Even if the money were all in 500 Euro notes, with the current exchange rate of c€1.2:£1, it's still 19,200 notes, which is a hell of a lot, it would be 384 bundles of 50 x €500, which is twice what is shown in that picture.

Supposedly that is how much was in one box, according to the op.

You got your maths wrong again!! That is not $1m...that is alot more that $1m. There is probably $1m in just on the top pile.

Guys...help me out, is guy a retard or just trying to wind me up?

Is it like he says, $1m there. i.e - there are only 200 seperate bundle there?? The piles are 15-20 bundles deep!!

The OP was correct in saying there was £8m in one box alone. What you don't realise is that a box in these places can be a safe. They are all classed as "boxes".

$1m in that pile in $100 notes...get real. It's many many times that.

Edited by mickken on Friday 13th June 14:41

Using common sense and basic mathematics, there is well over $10m in that photo. You are correct, IMHO, that the stack on top is worth well over $1m alone.

Re: 500 Euro notes.

Last year customs seized 4.8m Euros (in 500 Euro notes) at Dover,....in a standard brief case!! Working on that as a guide, I see no reason why you couldn't easily get 20m Euros into a 2ft X 1ft X 1ft deposit box.

Mickken, you are right, youngsyr's sums and maths are well off.

Edited by Lonman on Friday 13th June 15:26

[Ribol]

Tampon said:

.......the guys who run the place have been arrested so there is a strong suspicion they are involved. So therefore everything in the place could be taint, made up or fabricated ( I think a reasonable suspicion under the circumstances of the suspicious and the evidence they have found).

The small boxes, of which there are hundreds hold very little. If the people running the place were hiding stuff they would not use untold small boxes that hold very little, they would use the larger ones.
Those boxes could have been left alone and the owners asked to turn up for their stuff, not be jerked about for no good reason and allowed to get on with their lives. They have been denied access to their own property for weeks.

You are more than welcome to believe what you want but at this rate the day will come where we will have no rights/privacy in this country. So far we are the most CCTVd country in the world and we can't do anything without being identified.
All we need now is ID cards and then they won't need to put the chains on which is probably another option currently being considered.