Teacher held on suspicion of attempted murder

[Mojooo]

some facebook comments seem to suggest somehting happened last year which may have meant he wasn;t all there.

[jessica]

Baby Huey said:

james_tigerwoods said:

Munter said:

james_tigerwoods said:

Could it be this scenario:

• 3 lads who are "good boys really" wind up teacher who gave them a bad grade
• They shove him about a bit and produce the "blunt" object and start to "have a go" at him
• Teacher turns out to be a "bit 'ard" and defends himself with unfortunate results.

I really really hope it is. Problem is it could be a class full of witnesses who don't give a damn about the truth...

If so, I wonder if these "witnesses" will all have talked to each other to come up with the same story....

Or maybe the teacher is a .

Lol............... I have been here and yes some of them are.............

[Pints]

Just another example of what can potentially happen when discipline and punishment (or the threat thereof) is removed from a child's upbringing.
If we stepped out of line at school we would often be on the receiving end of whatever the teacher had to hand.

[Hyperion]

I don't think anyone is seriously condoning a teacher should beat a pupil to within an inch of their life... However, there are some nasty little feral kids in our schools who have a complete disregard for authority.
How teachers can simply stand by not being allowed to discipline bad behaviour is beyond me...I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often because we all have a breaking point.

Remember, there are always tow sides to a story, and I very much doubt this teacher would have got this far in his career if he was a bit unhinged.
The previous incidents were probably nothing more than a clip round the ear, but this time he just snapped.

Of course, we don't actually know what happened. But we all seem to be guessing the same thing!

[BOR]

The Daily Meal said:

...The teacher, also known as Mr.L.Machine, said " ...it's like in nature, it's what animals do"

Yes, it's terrible blah blah blah, but I'm thinking the kids in that school are going to be pretty well-behaved for a while. You could have some fun with it if you taught there, entering the class carrying a baseball bat, saying "whose next" etc.

[Bing o]

Hyperion said:

and I very much doubt this teacher would have got this far in his career if he was a bit unhinged.

fk me, you should have gone to my school - it was part of the selection criteria!!

[Chris_w666]

Soovy said:

Prediction.


Teacher was being wound up. He flipped. Battered kid with test tube stand. Other kids tried to pull him away, got hit also.

A moment of madness brought on by a lifetime of being wound up.


Sad, but every man has his limit.

I would say that probably hits the nail squarely on the head. That individual kid may have only wound him up once but now discipline in schools is so ineffective that kids see it as a joke or even a challenge, it wouldn't take much for a career teacher to snap.

I have witnessed similar cases myself and been in situations where sneering children square up to an adult in authority thinking they are untouchable. I can fully understand why this guy may have snapped and while nothing excuses assault, I hope the media reporting doesn't hang the guy before the background to the story comes out.

[crofty1984]

V8mate said:

Just heard on the news that the teacher is also being questioned for other assaults.

Must have been a PE teacher. All nutters.

Our PE teacher wasn't a nutter. Just a peado.

[crofty1984]

Merlot said:

haworthlloyd1 said:

I think the lad probably got what was coming to him although that is a pure guess!

I couldn't be a teacher as I would lose it when they provoke you and think you can't do anything back!

They only try to provoke you if a) They know they will get a reaction and b) If they do not fear any concequences.

What consequences would they be?

[jesta1865]

crofty1984 said:

V8mate said:

Just heard on the news that the teacher is also being questioned for other assaults.

Must have been a PE teacher. All nutters.

Our PE teacher wasn't a nutter. Just a peado.

that would be the other selection criteria

[Chris_w666]

crofty1984 said:

Merlot said:

haworthlloyd1 said:

I think the lad probably got what was coming to him although that is a pure guess!

I couldn't be a teacher as I would lose it when they provoke you and think you can't do anything back!

They only try to provoke you if a) They know they will get a reaction and b) If they do not fear any concequences.

What consequences would they be?

Generally in school consequences are: Being told off and disapproved of by people they have no respect for anyway.

Get asked to stay back for detention, a punishment that is legally unenforcable of the parents do not also agree to the punishment

Being removed from the lesson temporarily usually to sit in a spare classroom with their equally obnoxious mates.

Being permanently removed from the lesson with the teacher they don't get on with, Kids see this as winning a game only one person was playing.

Being sent home.

Having their, Wayne and Waynetta like, parents called to school for a meeting with a teacher that will dodge the direct issue and be all liberal and supportive. The parents of course will not care and will nod and agree then walk away not understanding what has just happened.

Being excluded for a couple of days, at which point they can hang around with outer excludees and cause trouble elsewhere.

Get sent to alternative education with other feral children or with older (and therefore much cooler) kids at an FE college.

Basically to a lot of kids getting in trouble at school is a laugh! They see no point in school, want to make their own choices, and know that the system is so weak and in their favour that they can manipulate and twist it to suit themselves.

[GavinPearson]

It doesn't matter how many taunts the teacher got, the fact is he shouldn't be hitting any kids under any circumstances.

If the kids misbehave the teacher can send them to the head's office. Now whether that is actually effective is down to the head, but there is still no excuse for what the teacher did.

And NO kid deserves to have the life almost beaten out of him for arguing with a teacher. Whoever thinks that is insane.

The teacher should be charged with attempted murder - I think he'll get ABH under grounds of diminished responsibility.

[Soovy]

Fact is that kids these days know they'll get benefits for their whole lives even if they don't try at school.

If they thought they'd get sent to war or put up a chimney they'd work.


Bring back workhouses.

[Chris_w666]

GavinPearson said:

It doesn't matter how many taunts the teacher got, the fact is he shouldn't be hitting any kids under any circumstances.

I won't disagree, but have you ever spent any time in a secondary school? Either as an observer or teaching a class? Have you ever been ignored and insulted by the very people you started your career trying to help?

It is not an excuse but if someone spoke to a bloke in a pub the way some kids do to their teachers then manslaughter and serious assualts would double overnight.

[HRG.]

GavinPearson said:

It doesn't matter how many taunts the teacher got, the fact is he shouldn't be hitting any kids under any circumstances.

If the kids misbehave the teacher can send them to the head's office. Now whether that is actually effective is down to the head, but there is still no excuse for what the teacher did.

And NO kid deserves to have the life almost beaten out of him for arguing with a teacher. Whoever thinks that is insane.

The teacher should be charged with attempted murder - I think he'll get ABH under grounds of diminished responsibility.

So it's ok to call a teacher a fking with no retribution is it? My teachers used to hit me when I was a , seemed fair enough at the time.

This is the only case of excessive force I've ever seen, usually the little tts deserve it and more.

[Chris_w666]

HRG. said:

This is the only case of excessive force I've ever seen, usually the little tts deserve it and more.

You haven't been looking hard enough, I have seen several teachers snap. I witnessed a full incident once where a teacher pinned a kid to a wall by his throat after 45 minutes of taunting and abuse from the little twunt. After he was dragged away by 4 of us I remember thinking how restrained he had been for not also punching the little oik in the face.

[convert]

GavinPearson said:

It doesn't matter how many taunts the teacher got, the fact is he shouldn't be hitting any kids under any circumstances.

If the kids misbehave the teacher can send them to the head's office. Now whether that is actually effective is down to the head, but there is still no excuse for what the teacher did.

And NO kid deserves to have the life almost beaten out of him for arguing with a teacher. Whoever thinks that is insane.

The teacher should be charged with attempted murder - I think he'll get ABH under grounds of diminished responsibility.

You do realise that this would only serve to further undermine discipline in schools.

Whilst I agree that the teacher was well out of order (or maybe temporarily insane) to have gone this far, there has to be some discipline brought back into our schools and homes.

I'm not saying that this child was a particularly 'feral' one, he may have been the straw that broke the camels back.


When I went to secondary school we had an art teacher that would launch a black(we can say that word can't we, not too un-PC)board eraser at you if you were lucky. If you were unlucky he'd fire a staple gun at you. Bloody hurt that did, but no one gave that teacher any grief.

[Dracoro]

Chris_w666 said:

crofty1984 said:

Merlot said:

haworthlloyd1 said:

I think the lad probably got what was coming to him although that is a pure guess!

I couldn't be a teacher as I would lose it when they provoke you and think you can't do anything back!

They only try to provoke you if a) They know they will get a reaction and b) If they do not fear any concequences.

What consequences would they be?

Generally in school consequences are: Being told off and disapproved of by people they have no respect for anyway.

Get asked to stay back for detention, a punishment that is legally unenforcable of the parents do not also agree to the punishment

Being removed from the lesson temporarily usually to sit in a spare classroom with their equally obnoxious mates.

Being permanently removed from the lesson with the teacher they don't get on with, Kids see this as winning a game only one person was playing.

Being sent home.

Having their, Wayne and Waynetta like, parents called to school for a meeting with a teacher that will dodge the direct issue and be all liberal and supportive. The parents of course will not care and will nod and agree then walk away not understanding what has just happened.

Being excluded for a couple of days, at which point they can hang around with outer excludees and cause trouble elsewhere.

Get sent to alternative education with other feral children or with older (and therefore much cooler) kids at an FE college.

Basically to a lot of kids getting in trouble at school is a laugh! They see no point in school, want to make their own choices, and know that the system is so weak and in their favour that they can manipulate and twist it to suit themselves.

Quite, I think schools should have blackened soundproof cells where the disruptive kids are locked into and let out once they behave.

[GavinPearson]

Chris_w666 said:

GavinPearson said:

It doesn't matter how many taunts the teacher got, the fact is he shouldn't be hitting any kids under any circumstances.

I won't disagree, but have you ever spent any time in a secondary school? Either as an observer or teaching a class? Have you ever been ignored and insulted by the very people you started your career trying to help?

It is not an excuse but if someone spoke to a bloke in a pub the way some kids do to their teachers then manslaughter and serious assualts would double overnight.

I spent the ages of 11 to 17 at a secondary school. But perhaps I was lucky. The teachers who taught me would send problem kids to the head who would then have a chat with the parents or suspend or expel as required. It didn't get out of hand because everybody on the staff was in control.

[HRG.]

Chris_w666 said:

HRG. said:

This is the only case of excessive force I've ever seen, usually the little tts deserve it and more.

You haven't been looking hard enough, I have seen several teachers snap. I witnessed a full incident once where a teacher pinned a kid to a wall by his throat after 45 minutes of taunting and abuse from the little twunt. After he was dragged away by 4 of us I remember thinking how restrained he had been for not also punching the little oik in the face.

I was pinned to the wall by the throat a couple of times, one teacher used to use a straight finger jab to the solar plexus. Always seemed to calm me down