Tax Avoidance = Immoral
Discussion
Bing o said:
strudel said:
Apparently
Then if you feel like getting a little angry at some socialists, read Pesto's Blog
In my opinion, what a load of bks.
(and I don't think some people grasp the difference between avoidance and evasion).
In my opinion, who cares what this man thinks?Then if you feel like getting a little angry at some socialists, read Pesto's Blog
In my opinion, what a load of bks.
(and I don't think some people grasp the difference between avoidance and evasion).
fbrs said:
ninja-lewis said:
Roughly we have three definitions of fairness: leftie-types define it as progressive - pay more because you can afford to; a flat definition, which I suspect is more inline with PH thinking - everyone pays x% of their income; and lastly a poll-tax style everyone pays £x (almost) regardless of income.
i'd agree with all your points. i think its clear as you earn 25k, 50k, 75k, 100k... you pay progressively higher % tax. (self employed 'scams' aside). its really only when you start earning 250k+ there are any 'loopholes', but i know of so many people who have been badly burned trying these imo they should, in themselves, be considered highly speculative and not something i would ever chance (m'lud). its only when you escape PAYE, ie when you're into millions that you can start to get paid in dividends and carried interest and st like that. for 99%+ of people the more you earn the higher % you pay.Fair enough - however, generally I see no reason why, once you get to the point where for every extra pound you earn the government takes more than half, you shouldn't seek to plan your tax affairs to legally reduce the amount of tax you pay.
At that point IMO you've well and truly paid more than you 'fair shre', whatever that means....
Sidicks
At that point IMO you've well and truly paid more than you 'fair shre', whatever that means....
Sidicks
Ribol said:
If I thought for one second that the money paid in taxes was being used wisely then I would be more than happy to pay my fair share and probably a bit more.
However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
People on paye dont pay tax their employer does!However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
fbrs said:
ewenm said:
- Fewer "loopholes"
IR35 is a classic example - no hard and fast rules, it depends on the interpretation by HMRC as to whether people fall inside or outside it. Ridiculous state of affairs for a modern tax system.
robsti said:
Ribol said:
If I thought for one second that the money paid in taxes was being used wisely then I would be more than happy to pay my fair share and probably a bit more.
However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
People on paye dont pay tax their employer does!However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
Ribol said:
robsti said:
Ribol said:
If I thought for one second that the money paid in taxes was being used wisely then I would be more than happy to pay my fair share and probably a bit more.
However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
People on paye dont pay tax their employer does!However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
Only the self-employed pay tax because if there was no tax the employed would be paid the tax percentage less.
ie if you were being paid 10 pound per hour and there was no tax due then your employer would pay you 7.90 and you would be no worse off!
fbrs said:
robsti said:
Ribol said:
robsti said:
Ribol said:
If I thought for one second that the money paid in taxes was being used wisely then I would be more than happy to pay my fair share and probably a bit more.
However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
People on paye dont pay tax their employer does!However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
Only the self-employed pay tax because if there was no tax the employed would be paid the tax percentage less.
ie if you were being paid 10 pound per hour and there was no tax due then your employer would pay you 7.90 and you would be no worse off!
In this case you were just over paid by 18k by your employer!
robsti said:
fbrs said:
robsti said:
Ribol said:
robsti said:
Ribol said:
If I thought for one second that the money paid in taxes was being used wisely then I would be more than happy to pay my fair share and probably a bit more.
However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
People on paye dont pay tax their employer does!However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
Only the self-employed pay tax because if there was no tax the employed would be paid the tax percentage less.
ie if you were being paid 10 pound per hour and there was no tax due then your employer would pay you 7.90 and you would be no worse off!
In this case you were just over paid by 18k by your employer!
Edited by fbrs on Monday 20th September 22:16
fbrs said:
robsti said:
fbrs said:
robsti said:
Ribol said:
robsti said:
Ribol said:
If I thought for one second that the money paid in taxes was being used wisely then I would be more than happy to pay my fair share and probably a bit more.
However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
People on paye dont pay tax their employer does!However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
Only the self-employed pay tax because if there was no tax the employed would be paid the tax percentage less.
ie if you were being paid 10 pound per hour and there was no tax due then your employer would pay you 7.90 and you would be no worse off!
In this case you were just over paid by 18k by your employer!
Edited by fbrs on Monday 20th September 22:16
robsti said:
Ribol said:
robsti said:
Ribol said:
If I thought for one second that the money paid in taxes was being used wisely then I would be more than happy to pay my fair share and probably a bit more.
However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
People on paye dont pay tax their employer does!However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
Only the self-employed pay tax because if there was no tax the employed would be paid the tax percentage less.
ie if you were being paid 10 pound per hour and there was no tax due then your employer would pay you 7.90 and you would be no worse off!
Ribol said:
robsti said:
Ribol said:
robsti said:
Ribol said:
If I thought for one second that the money paid in taxes was being used wisely then I would be more than happy to pay my fair share and probably a bit more.
However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
People on paye dont pay tax their employer does!However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
Only the self-employed pay tax because if there was no tax the employed would be paid the tax percentage less.
ie if you were being paid 10 pound per hour and there was no tax due then your employer would pay you 7.90 and you would be no worse off!
Eric Mc said:
The government actually creates secific tax avoidance measures to encourage certain topes of behaviour - such as saving or paying into a pension.
After all, who's going to buy a Nissan Leaf and potter about in central London free from congestion charge unless the Treasury halfwits (and Boris) dig deep to promote the ghasly heap of junk?Tax avoidance - buying a Nissan Leaf
Tax evasion - walking. It's plain lefty antisocial behaviour to pay no travel taxes at all. Shouldn't be allowed.
robsti said:
Ribol said:
robsti said:
Ribol said:
robsti said:
Ribol said:
If I thought for one second that the money paid in taxes was being used wisely then I would be more than happy to pay my fair share and probably a bit more.
However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
People on paye dont pay tax their employer does!However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
Only the self-employed pay tax because if there was no tax the employed would be paid the tax percentage less.
ie if you were being paid 10 pound per hour and there was no tax due then your employer would pay you 7.90 and you would be no worse off!
Ozzie Osmond said:
Eric Mc said:
The government actually creates secific tax avoidance measures to encourage certain topes of behaviour - such as saving or paying into a pension.
After all, who's going to buy a Nissan Leaf and potter about in central London free from congestion charge unless the Treasury halfwits (and Boris) dig deep to promote the ghasly heap of junk?Tax avoidance - buying a Nissan Leaf
Tax evasion - walking. It's plain lefty antisocial behaviour to pay no travel taxes at all. Shouldn't be allowed.
Basically, the worst tax evaders are the Guardianista, strangely the people who despise tax evaders the most.
Being a mush brained socialist buffoon is just too much hard work
Ribol said:
robsti said:
Ribol said:
robsti said:
Ribol said:
robsti said:
Ribol said:
If I thought for one second that the money paid in taxes was being used wisely then I would be more than happy to pay my fair share and probably a bit more.
However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
People on paye dont pay tax their employer does!However, whilst whichever moron who is currently at the helm continues to allow money to be wasted (pick your own example, plenty to choose from) I will do whatever I can to pay as little as possible.
I think the only people who are "happy" to pay taxes are those on PAYE and don't have any choice.
Only the self-employed pay tax because if there was no tax the employed would be paid the tax percentage less.
ie if you were being paid 10 pound per hour and there was no tax due then your employer would pay you 7.90 and you would be no worse off!
BOR said:
I don't think you grasp the difference between paying what you owe, and exploiting loopholes that shouldn't exist, but are impossible to eradicate.
Pay your share.
The loop holes are easy to eradiacate, they only exist because we have an insanely complex tax system full of allowances, different rates, exceptions, penalties,... it goes on and on.Pay your share.
One personal allowance transferable between married couples. One rate of tax on all income.
Similar system for companies.
No more loopholes there.
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