Exciting but somehow sad - saw Baroness Thatcher today

[ClaphamGT3]

BOR said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

john_p said:

I find it astounding that 20 years on even the sheer mention of her name still brings up bile in people's throats

This is the ultimate testament to how radical what she did was; sure there will always be the nay-sayers, the serial malcontents & the vocal socialist minority splashing around in their own tank of bitter p*ss but the hard reality is that she brought prosperity hitherto unimaginable to the overwhelming majority of ordinary people in this country, social cohesion and mobility the like of which we haad never seen before and the largest move ever made since the introduction of universal sufferage towards a truly meritocratic society.

What ? You're more insane than she is.

How, specifically, did she achieve each of those things in your staggeringly rose-tinted post ?

I've just had a quick gander at your recent post history & i'm not going to bother arguing this one; whatever arguments I advance, I dont think I'll change your mind. I think you're a bit of a leftie.

Recent posts tell me that you don't really see that much of a problem with terrorist violence, so long as you happen not to like the part of society the victim comes from; economic reality isnt much of a priority for you; outdated socialist doctrine is however rather agreeable to you. Have you considered re-locating to Zimbabwe?

[Balmoral Green]

Well, you know what they say about opinions.

I shall shed a tear and raise a glass when she finally shuffles off this mortal coil. And of course, there will be those all too willing to dance on her grave. So what?

[Uhura fighter]

ClaphamGT3 said:

BOR said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

john_p said:

I find it astounding that 20 years on even the sheer mention of her name still brings up bile in people's throats

This is the ultimate testament to how radical what she did was; sure there will always be the nay-sayers, the serial malcontents & the vocal socialist minority splashing around in their own tank of bitter p*ss but the hard reality is that she brought prosperity hitherto unimaginable to the overwhelming majority of ordinary people in this country, social cohesion and mobility the like of which we haad never seen before and the largest move ever made since the introduction of universal sufferage towards a truly meritocratic society.

What ? You're more insane than she is.

How, specifically, did she achieve each of those things in your staggeringly rose-tinted post ?

I've just had a quick gander at your recent post history & i'm not going to bother arguing this one; whatever arguments I advance, I dont think I'll change your mind. I think you're a bit of a leftie.

Recent posts tell me that you don't really see that much of a problem with terrorist violence, so long as you happen not to like the part of society the victim comes from; economic reality isnt much of a priority for you; outdated socialist doctrine is however rather agreeable to you. Have you considered re-locating to Zimbabwe?

1-0 to BOR

[Rude-boy]

john_p said:

I find it astounding that 20 years on even the sheer mention of her name still brings up bile in people's throats

But still .. anyone who would now dance on her grave has to face the bitter reality: whatever you hate so much that she did, that she changed in the country; it still happened, and you never got the chance to change that.

Even when she does cark it, anyone who celebrates her death has to face the reality - you hate her because she got her way

I am so glad you wrote that.

Reading some of the posts on this thread I was drafting an appropriate riposte in my head to sum up my thoughts on their comments when I saw yours and Zod’s below.

Thank you gents, you have saved me the trouble.

[GT03ROB]

Pupp said:

Zod said:

Not a single Thatcher-hater has ever been able to give me an answer as to how the country would have fared better in the 1980s if Labour had won the 1979 election.

It might still have significant steel making capacity?

You really think.....

[Rude-boy]

Uhura fighter said:

1-0 to BOR

I can only assume that you have not read more than one or two of BOR's posts then.

He's consistent, I'll say that, but I really do think his username is missing a vowel, and his school bag more than a few marbles.

[IforB]

ClaphamGT3 said:

BOR said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

john_p said:

I find it astounding that 20 years on even the sheer mention of her name still brings up bile in people's throats

This is the ultimate testament to how radical what she did was; sure there will always be the nay-sayers, the serial malcontents & the vocal socialist minority splashing around in their own tank of bitter p*ss but the hard reality is that she brought prosperity hitherto unimaginable to the overwhelming majority of ordinary people in this country, social cohesion and mobility the like of which we haad never seen before and the largest move ever made since the introduction of universal sufferage towards a truly meritocratic society.

What ? You're more insane than she is.

How, specifically, did she achieve each of those things in your staggeringly rose-tinted post ?

I've just had a quick gander at your recent post history & i'm not going to bother arguing this one; whatever arguments I advance, I dont think I'll change your mind. I think you're a bit of a leftie.

Recent posts tell me that you don't really see that much of a problem with terrorist violence, so long as you happen not to like the part of society the victim comes from; economic reality isnt much of a priority for you; outdated socialist doctrine is however rather agreeable to you. Have you considered re-locating to Zimbabwe?

Oh god. Another poster who thinks that simply calling someone a "leftie" is a legitimate argument/insult.

The world isn't made up of the rabid left and right. Though on PH it seems that if you aren't to the right of Hitler, then you're immediately some sort of socialist lunatic.

Grow up.

[Uhura fighter]

Rude-boy said:

john_p said:

I find it astounding that 20 years on even the sheer mention of her name still brings up bile in people's throats

But still .. anyone who would now dance on her grave has to face the bitter reality: whatever you hate so much that she did, that she changed in the country; it still happened, and you never got the chance to change that.

Even when she does cark it, anyone who celebrates her death has to face the reality - you hate her because she got her way

I am so glad you wrote that.

Reading some of the posts on this thread I was drafting an appropriate riposte in my head to sum up my thoughts on their comments when I saw yours and Zod’s below.

Thank you gents, you have saved me the trouble.

So what was so great, did she shape what we are now or was it all at the time?

On the point regarding cohesion. Was this just in the South East or the UK?

[Pupp]

GT03ROB said:

Pupp said:

Zod said:

Not a single Thatcher-hater has ever been able to give me an answer as to how the country would have fared better in the 1980s if Labour had won the 1979 election.

It might still have significant steel making capacity?

You really think.....

The word 'might' and the question mark are possibly a clue. But, go on, educate me.... bearing in mind I grew up in Corby in the 70s/80s so might have a little insight as to how the closure of the works there was handled.

[Uhura fighter]

Rude-boy said:

Uhura fighter said:

1-0 to BOR

I can only assume that you have not read more than one or two of BOR's posts then.

He's consistent, I'll say that, but I really do think his username is missing a vowel, and his school bag more than a few marbles.

Best to just ignore him then, no?

Not read many posts of his posts (if any) Just that in this topic BOR was willing to discuss and the OP started name calling.


ETA: in fairness it was BOR that started the name calling. (Just re-read it - )

Edited by Uhura fighter on Friday 8th October 13:40

[Blue Meanie]

IforB said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

BOR said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

john_p said:

I find it astounding that 20 years on even the sheer mention of her name still brings up bile in people's throats

This is the ultimate testament to how radical what she did was; sure there will always be the nay-sayers, the serial malcontents & the vocal socialist minority splashing around in their own tank of bitter p*ss but the hard reality is that she brought prosperity hitherto unimaginable to the overwhelming majority of ordinary people in this country, social cohesion and mobility the like of which we haad never seen before and the largest move ever made since the introduction of universal sufferage towards a truly meritocratic society.

What ? You're more insane than she is.

How, specifically, did she achieve each of those things in your staggeringly rose-tinted post ?

I've just had a quick gander at your recent post history & i'm not going to bother arguing this one; whatever arguments I advance, I dont think I'll change your mind. I think you're a bit of a leftie.

Recent posts tell me that you don't really see that much of a problem with terrorist violence, so long as you happen not to like the part of society the victim comes from; economic reality isnt much of a priority for you; outdated socialist doctrine is however rather agreeable to you. Have you considered re-locating to Zimbabwe?

Oh god. Another poster who thinks that simply calling someone a "leftie" is a legitimate argument/insult.

The world isn't made up of the rabid left and right. Though on PH it seems that if you aren't to the right of Hitler, then you're immediately some sort of socialist lunatic.

Grow up.

It's an ad hominem, plain and simple. It addresses nothing that the person says.

[gamefreaks]

working class said:

AndrewW-G said:

working class said:

So, will she get police protection till the day she dies? Like American presidents do?

they all do, to a greater (blair at a cost to all of us of millions a year) or lesser extent (winky at no doubt much reduced cost, given the amount of time he's been spending in the nut house in Edinburgh)

Why though? What use would Maggie be now to anyone that wished to kidnap her?

Probably because she would be attacked by Labour-voting aholes, because "It's all Fatshers fault, init?"

[IforB]

Blue Meanie said:

IforB said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

BOR said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

john_p said:

I find it astounding that 20 years on even the sheer mention of her name still brings up bile in people's throats

This is the ultimate testament to how radical what she did was; sure there will always be the nay-sayers, the serial malcontents & the vocal socialist minority splashing around in their own tank of bitter p*ss but the hard reality is that she brought prosperity hitherto unimaginable to the overwhelming majority of ordinary people in this country, social cohesion and mobility the like of which we haad never seen before and the largest move ever made since the introduction of universal sufferage towards a truly meritocratic society.

What ? You're more insane than she is.

How, specifically, did she achieve each of those things in your staggeringly rose-tinted post ?

I've just had a quick gander at your recent post history & i'm not going to bother arguing this one; whatever arguments I advance, I dont think I'll change your mind. I think you're a bit of a leftie.

Recent posts tell me that you don't really see that much of a problem with terrorist violence, so long as you happen not to like the part of society the victim comes from; economic reality isnt much of a priority for you; outdated socialist doctrine is however rather agreeable to you. Have you considered re-locating to Zimbabwe?

Oh god. Another poster who thinks that simply calling someone a "leftie" is a legitimate argument/insult.

The world isn't made up of the rabid left and right. Though on PH it seems that if you aren't to the right of Hitler, then you're immediately some sort of socialist lunatic.

Grow up.

It's an ad hominem, plain and simple. It addresses nothing that the person says.

Quite. I was always taught that when having a discussion you have a go at the argument and not the person. Go for the ball and not the player if you like.

It's a shame that this part of PH often seems to be so poorly educated when it comes to debating skills.

[AndrewW-G]

GT03ROB said:

Pupp said:

Zod said:

Not a single Thatcher-hater has ever been able to give me an answer as to how the country would have fared better in the 1980s if Labour had won the 1979 election.

It might still have significant steel making capacity?

You really think.....

It's obvious, after all labour did so much to help out the steel industry in their recent 13 years in power . . . . . . . . I'm sure Pupp will be able to remind us all what happened to the Corus plant less than a year ago (I'll give him a hint, 2,500 people on scrap heap, technology off to India, Mandelson, brown & Baird did fk all and still the cretins blame Baroness Thatcher!)

[Uhura fighter]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Will we ever have a "World Leader" again? Has the landscape changed to much with the EU? Are we as "big" as we used to be?

[Parrot of Doom]

WOMAN GROWS OLD

Country in shock

[telecat]

With regard to those spouting the usual crap about loss of "manufacturing base", we lost far more of it during the last Labour government.

[Andy Zarse]

Pupp said:

GT03ROB said:

Pupp said:

Zod said:

Not a single Thatcher-hater has ever been able to give me an answer as to how the country would have fared better in the 1980s if Labour had won the 1979 election.

It might still have significant steel making capacity?

You really think.....

The word 'might' and the question mark are possibly a clue. But, go on, educate me.... bearing in mind I grew up in Corby in the 70s/80s so might have a little insight as to how the closure of the works there was handled.

And Thatcher handled this personally did she? So tell us how the closure of a massive loss making industrial plant should have been done then.

[ClaphamGT3]

IforB said:

Blue Meanie said:

IforB said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

BOR said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

john_p said:

I find it astounding that 20 years on even the sheer mention of her name still brings up bile in people's throats

This is the ultimate testament to how radical what she did was; sure there will always be the nay-sayers, the serial malcontents & the vocal socialist minority splashing around in their own tank of bitter p*ss but the hard reality is that she brought prosperity hitherto unimaginable to the overwhelming majority of ordinary people in this country, social cohesion and mobility the like of which we haad never seen before and the largest move ever made since the introduction of universal sufferage towards a truly meritocratic society.

What ? You're more insane than she is.

How, specifically, did she achieve each of those things in your staggeringly rose-tinted post ?

I've just had a quick gander at your recent post history & i'm not going to bother arguing this one; whatever arguments I advance, I dont think I'll change your mind. I think you're a bit of a leftie.

Recent posts tell me that you don't really see that much of a problem with terrorist violence, so long as you happen not to like the part of society the victim comes from; economic reality isnt much of a priority for you; outdated socialist doctrine is however rather agreeable to you. Have you considered re-locating to Zimbabwe?

Oh god. Another poster who thinks that simply calling someone a "leftie" is a legitimate argument/insult.

The world isn't made up of the rabid left and right. Though on PH it seems that if you aren't to the right of Hitler, then you're immediately some sort of socialist lunatic.

Grow up.

It's an ad hominem, plain and simple. It addresses nothing that the person says.

Quite. I was always taught that when having a discussion you have a go at the argument and not the person. Go for the ball and not the player if you like.

It's a shame that this part of PH often seems to be so poorly educated when it comes to debating skills.

Based on the ethos of debating as I was taught and practiced it, I would have expected that the respondent to my argument would have posed a counter-argument. Instead his response was; insult/"prove it"/insult. That is when I stopped taking the debate (and him) seriously.

I don't know; maybe the art & form of formal debating has moved on in the last 18 years.......

[Andy Zarse]

IforB said:

Quite. I was always taught that when having a discussion you have a go at the argument and not the person. Go for the ball and not the player if you like.

Unless we're talking about Scotland!