N. Korea Threatens to Attack S. Korea over Leaflets

[jmorgan]

tinman0 said:

jmorgan said:

I think places like Iwo Jima and Okinawa can show you what people can and will do in a tight spot. Hard to say if this lot have the same zeal. Proof of the pudding and all that, lets hope its bluster again.

Trouble is that i think modern weapons have moved way beyond human strength and courage.

GW1 was a weapons demonstration, imagine another demonstration 25 years on - hell - we don't even fly our own planes anymore. Wait for the first pilotless F35.

They did a lot of damage to the Island prior invasion with Iwo Jima. I think you have to be careful saying its top notch state of the art blinding fast super penetrating etc. And maybe Kim the mad has watched the vids and had some know how off his mates in China and built a bit deeper than we can hit?

[tinman0]

jmorgan said:

They did a lot of damage to the Island prior invasion with Iwo Jima. I think you have to be careful saying its top notch state of the art blinding fast super penetrating etc. And maybe Kim the mad has watched the vids and had some know how off his mates in China and built a bit deeper than we can hit?

Stick a bigger rocket to the back of a bunker buster. Doesn't matter how deep they are, if they are too deep to get to, they just get buried in. But still, can't see it being anything more than a technical exercise again.

[Jimbeaux]

Shay HTFC said:

Jimbeaux said:

TVR Moneypit said:

eldar said:

TVR Moneypit said:

I'm quite a peacefull man really, but NK really would benifit from a full scale invasion.

Another Afghanistan? There are quite a lot of NK soldiers, best leave their government to worry about feeding them.

I'm no expert regarding such matters, but would the NK army have much of a stomach for a fight?

For about a week. Once they see the reality of how their logistics is non-existant, things would crumble pretty quickly.

I do love your overly confident analysis's on these sort of things. I seem to recall one about a certain Iraq crumbling in no time too.

The one difference is that I'm not sure that there are the fundamentalist types in NK. Are there a hardcore band of communist idealists who would hang around playing guerilla warfare games like some of the hardline muslims do in Iraq? Or would it simply be a case once the army are defeated, the people will come out their arms wide open for liberation?
(again, bearing in mind what people said about how the Iraqis would be open to 'liberation')

Edited by Shay HTFC on Sunday 17th October 06:10

Militarily they did crumble in a week, where were you? Insurgency, supported by Iran, etc. is not applicaple to N. Korea. They are a lock-step society/military. They are not encouraged to take initiative. I stand by my statement, they would crumble in short order due to logistical inefficiency, and failure of communications. I am not speaking of invasion, that would be tough, the terrain in N. Korea alone is murder. That said, I am for just leaving them alone for now and seeing what Kim Jr. does.
If they could have a regime change, with minimal damage and casulties, imagine a unified Korea. With some social and job education, that would be a formidable nation all around.....once they got over the absorption shock, ala Eastern Europe.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 18th October 00:45

[Blue Meanie]

What do you mean when you say "supported by Iran"? The government, or private citizens?

[Jimbeaux]

Blue Meanie said:

What do you mean when you say "supported by Iran"? The government, or private citizens?

Iranian government; the citizens of Iran, in my opinion, like their government less than we do.

[Blue Meanie]

Jimbeaux said:

Blue Meanie said:

What do you mean when you say "supported by Iran"? The government, or private citizens?

Iranian government; the citizens of Iran, in my opinion, like their government less than we do.

Not a great deal of evidence though, is there? Arms, and finance are one thing, linking to a government is another.

[The real Apache]

There have been allegations of NK supplying Iran, Syria and Burma with nuclear technology......there has to be a certain amount of political influence on all fronts to allow that to happen

[jmorgan]

The real Apache said:

There have been allegations of NK supplying Iran, Syria and Burma with nuclear technology......there has to be a certain amount of political influence on all fronts to allow that to happen

I recall claims that Iranian bods were at a few of the significant goings on or been party to the info in NK. The nuke for example.

[AJI]

The west [south korea = american puppets] does like to play games with these type of leaders, and they forget that one push of a button will wipe out a lot of innocent people.
But I'm guessing the good old U.S of A. is not too bothered about S.Korea future as long as the retaliatory strikes wipe out the north.

I'm being very cynical here but it could be their line of thinking.


In reality I do think that the new leader, as has been mentioned, is chosen for a specific reason. He will, no doubt, have the most anti-american tendency of the sons. He may even have displayed the willingness to use the nukes given half a chance.

I just wish the american influence on the south would dissapear and that the country N & S can find their own way.

[Bing o]

The real Apache said:

There have been allegations of NK supplying Iran, Syria and Burma with nuclear technology......there has to be a certain amount of political influence on all fronts to allow that to happen

Vietnam, Myanmar and NK are the Chinese's buffer against the more western facing democracies in Asia. I would say that the allegations are more than just that....

[jmorgan]

AJI said:

I just wish the american influence on the south would dissapear and that the country N & S can find their own way.

From what I can gather is that would have the North overwhelming the South. Reunification is banded around and you can bet the South would not like the bill and the North only want one dictator so democracy gets the boot from the south, Kim the mad in control of a bigger country and pretty soon the south goes down the pan as well.

[The real Apache]

jmorgan said:

AJI said:

I just wish the american influence on the south would dissapear and that the country N & S can find their own way.

From what I can gather is that would have the North overwhelming the South. Reunification is banded around and you can bet the South would not like the bill and the North only want one dictator so democracy gets the boot from the south, Kim the mad in control of a bigger country and pretty soon the south goes down the pan as well.

Not a chance, NK is completely isolated and controlled, an expansionist policy would see Kim risking his indoctrinated people getting a whiff of reality and that just wouldn't do. There's also the problem of logistics (as has been alluded to before) NK is skint and I doubt they'd be able to keep their vehicles in gas long enough let alone their aircraft to launch anything major

[Jimbeaux]

Blue Meanie said:

Jimbeaux said:

Blue Meanie said:

What do you mean when you say "supported by Iran"? The government, or private citizens?

Iranian government; the citizens of Iran, in my opinion, like their government less than we do.

Not a great deal of evidence though, is there? Arms, and finance are one thing, linking to a government is another.

If you have been keeping up, there is very solid evidence of such, but that is another thread.

[Jimbeaux]

AJI said:

The west [south korea = american puppets] does like to play games with these type of leaders, and they forget that one push of a button will wipe out a lot of innocent people.
But I'm guessing the good old U.S of A. is not too bothered about S.Korea future as long as the retaliatory strikes wipe out the north.

I'm being very cynical here but it could be their line of thinking.


In reality I do think that the new leader, as has been mentioned, is chosen for a specific reason. He will, no doubt, have the most anti-american tendency of the sons. He may even have displayed the willingness to use the nukes given half a chance.

I just wish the american influence on the south would dissapear and that the country N & S can find their own way.

What? If the U.S. "influence" dissapears, then they would be alone. Remember, the war there is at a truce, not really at an end. Why give any encouragement to NK to think about heading south?

Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 18th October 14:24

[The real Apache]

do you really think they would Jim?

[Jimbeaux]

The real Apache said:

do you really think they would Jim?

As you said, it would not make sense seeing their logistical and economic realities. However, Kim the Junior might want to show he can better his Dad and may roll the dice betting that a week-long hard push south could capture the resources needed for sustainment. To answer your question, probably not; however, why encourage it at all by leaving the South on their own? As was alluded to, the North has no interest in unification unless they run the show.

[Blue Meanie]

Jimbeaux said:

Blue Meanie said:

Jimbeaux said:

Blue Meanie said:

What do you mean when you say "supported by Iran"? The government, or private citizens?

Iranian government; the citizens of Iran, in my opinion, like their government less than we do.

Not a great deal of evidence though, is there? Arms, and finance are one thing, linking to a government is another.

If you have been keeping up, there is very solid evidence of such, but that is another thread.

Well, that doesn't gel with what I have read, I must say. Serial numbers traced to Iran, but not necessarily the Iranian government. That is essentially all there is, unless you know different. Oddly enough, we are fighting al quad, and if Iran WAS in there, they would be too, as Iran is Shia, and Al quad is Sunni. What do you have that is very solid evidence?

[The real Apache]

Jimbeaux said:

The real Apache said:

do you really think they would Jim?

As you said, it would not make sense seeing their logistical and economic realities. However, Kim the Junior might want to show he can better his Dad and may roll the dice betting that a week-long hard push south could capture the resources needed for sustainment. To answer your question, probably not; however, why encourage it at all by leaving the South on their own? As was alluded to, the North has no interest in unification unless they run the show.

I just can't see it, the Kim Ils have it nice and tidy, a whole country completely devoted to them, the outcome of an invasion attempt would result in so many variables that could spoil that cozy little situation. Unless the family have a desire to spread their brand of 'management' over a wider audience why would they bother? and from what I read they are more paranoid than expansionist, they are also realists and must know that the reluctant support of China would not prevent their country from being obliterated

[Frankeh]

Someone needs to step in and tell the Koreas that no one gives a monkeys what they have to say about each other.

[Jimbeaux]

The real Apache said:

Jimbeaux said:

The real Apache said:

do you really think they would Jim?

As you said, it would not make sense seeing their logistical and economic realities. However, Kim the Junior might want to show he can better his Dad and may roll the dice betting that a week-long hard push south could capture the resources needed for sustainment. To answer your question, probably not; however, why encourage it at all by leaving the South on their own? As was alluded to, the North has no interest in unification unless they run the show.

I just can't see it, the Kim Ils have it nice and tidy, a whole country completely devoted to them, the outcome of an invasion attempt would result in so many variables that could spoil that cozy little situation. Unless the family have a desire to spread their brand of 'management' over a wider audience why would they bother? and from what I read they are more paranoid than expansionist, they are also realists and must know that the reluctant support of China would not prevent their country from being obliterated

Yes; of the scenarios discussed, I would agree with your take the most. I was discussing possible options, but I think staying put and playing the occasional attention-grabbing game will be the norm.