Students compare themselves to starving Ethiopians
Discussion
Symbolica said:
Funk said:
I think it IS unfair that Scottish students don't have to pay anything. Is it the same for the Welsh? If we're all paying into the same pot (UK PLC) then it seems only fair to level the playing field when it comes to who gets what.
Yesterday the Welsh Assembly Gov't announced that students from Wales won't have to pay the extra, even if they study in England or NI then WAG will pay the difference in fees.Ejit fo spilnin
Edited by Rude-boy on Wednesday 1st December 12:50
I reckon these students are all selfless heroes, determined to stand up for their right to help their fellow man.
Let's look at the proposal: They borrow the amount they need, pay it back as and when they can afford it, and anything not paid off after 30 years gets forgotten.
But the students don't like this. Instead, they want their fees to be paid through taxation. Which means that once they graduate, they'll be paying higher taxes. Not for just their own expenses, but for everyone else's too. With no time limit, and with an ongoing exposure to rising tuition fees in future.
So rather than pay back a fixed amount that they are solely in control of, and which has a limtied liability, they would rather make an open-ended commitment with complete exposure to financial risks over which they have no control.
Bravo to them, I say!
...or could it be that the poor saps are too stupid to work this one out for themselves?
Let's look at the proposal: They borrow the amount they need, pay it back as and when they can afford it, and anything not paid off after 30 years gets forgotten.
But the students don't like this. Instead, they want their fees to be paid through taxation. Which means that once they graduate, they'll be paying higher taxes. Not for just their own expenses, but for everyone else's too. With no time limit, and with an ongoing exposure to rising tuition fees in future.
So rather than pay back a fixed amount that they are solely in control of, and which has a limtied liability, they would rather make an open-ended commitment with complete exposure to financial risks over which they have no control.
Bravo to them, I say!
...or could it be that the poor saps are too stupid to work this one out for themselves?
Edited by Gaspode on Wednesday 1st December 12:57
Rude-boy said:
Symbolica said:
Funk said:
I think it IS unfair that Scottish students don't have to pay anything. Is it the same for the Welsh? If we're all paying into the same pot (UK PLC) then it seems only fair to level the playing field when it comes to who gets what.
Yesterday the Welsh Assembly Gov't announced that students from Wales won't have to pay the extra, even if they study in England or NI then WAG will pay the difference in fees.Ejit fo spilnin
Edited by Rude-boy on Wednesday 1st December 12:50
More here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityedu...
Edited by BoRED S2upid on Wednesday 1st December 13:44
BoRED S2upid said:
Nope, foreigners studying here, including the English still have to pay the £9000 there is a grant for Welsh residents going to Uni, no discrimination just a grant for Welsh residents whereever they study be it England, Wales, USA etc...
More here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityedu...
Well that's me More here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityedu...
Edited by BoRED S2upid on Wednesday 1st December 13:44
then. I was relating the details I caught from R4 last night on the way home. I'll have a look at your link at see where i went wrong 
Edit and:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11889053
Auntie's website said:
To rub salt into the wound, students from elsewhere in the European Union will receive the same subsidy at Welsh universities as those resident in Wales.
Edited by Rude-boy on Wednesday 1st December 13:52
Gaspode said:
I reckon these students are all selfless heroes, determined to stand up for their right to help their fellow man.
Let's look at the proposal: They borrow the amount they need, pay it back as and when they can afford it, and anything not paid off after 30 years gets forgotten.
But the students don't like this. Instead, they want their fees to be paid through taxation. Which means that once they graduate, they'll be paying higher taxes. Not for just their own expenses, but for everyone else's too. With no time limit, and with an ongoing exposure to rising tuition fees in future.
So rather than pay back a fixed amount that they are solely in control of, and which has a limtied liability, they would rather make an open-ended commitment with complete exposure to financial risks over which they have no control.
Bravo to them, I say!
...or could it be that the poor saps are too stupid to work this one out for themselves?
This is exactly it. Those students, for some reason, don't realise that the government doesn't actually have any money and never will. It's all taxpayers money so whether they pay back their own fees directly or they accept a higher tax burden for everyone and pay it back indirectly, makes no odds.Let's look at the proposal: They borrow the amount they need, pay it back as and when they can afford it, and anything not paid off after 30 years gets forgotten.
But the students don't like this. Instead, they want their fees to be paid through taxation. Which means that once they graduate, they'll be paying higher taxes. Not for just their own expenses, but for everyone else's too. With no time limit, and with an ongoing exposure to rising tuition fees in future.
So rather than pay back a fixed amount that they are solely in control of, and which has a limtied liability, they would rather make an open-ended commitment with complete exposure to financial risks over which they have no control.
Bravo to them, I say!
...or could it be that the poor saps are too stupid to work this one out for themselves?
Edited by Gaspode on Wednesday 1st December 12:57
In fact, the average taxpayer should be out rioting so that we don't have pay for students to have the privilege of getting an education that will directly benefit them and only indirectly benefit us.
turbobloke said:
br d said:
Morons.
They probably just want to be on X Factor.
Aye.They probably just want to be on X Factor.
There's probably a degree on it, or if not there soon will be. Standards must be maintained...as low as possible since all must have prizes including degrees.
Students who could face fees of up to £9,000 for tuition from 2012 will not be allowed to study for ‘ludicrous’ degrees at Oxford and Cambridge.
Ministers say ‘made up’ degrees such as Anthropology and Philosophy, Politics and Economics will be scrapped.
Meanwhile all institutions will be forced to offer a raft of new courses, including X Factor and Society, Lady Gaga Studies and Understanding Spider-Man.
Higher education minister David Willetts said: “Oxford and Cambridge have been holiday camps for precocious t
ts studying rubbish for years.When I was a student my mate used to eat mashed potato all the time and I used to eat popcorn as it was the most filling meal. I drove a Morris Ital 1.3 and my mate drove a st brown Allegro.
Compared to that students never had it so good.
Presumably they are too busy playing with their expensive video consoles on the LCD 40 inch screen to be to read that of course.
Cry me a river ....
Andy
t brown Allegro.Compared to that students never had it so good.
Presumably they are too busy playing with their expensive video consoles on the LCD 40 inch screen to be to read that of course.
Cry me a river ....
Andy
Edited by zakelwe on Wednesday 1st December 16:29
DonkeyApple said:
paulrockliffe said:
Mrs OwenK said:
But you don't have to pay a single penny until you're earning a pretty good wage - and even then, in such small quantities that you'll never even notice.
I'm not supporting any of this, but bear in mind that if you don't pay anything back for a few years, the size of the capital will only grow due to interest. If you're earning £21k and paying back £7 a week I think Clegg said yesterday, you're not even covering the interest. So if you get to the end of your days earning below £30k, you'll be paying about a grand a year or so for most of your working life, yet still not making an impact on the capital. All figures very approximate.The answer is blindingly obvious though; don't go to uni as a default position. Especially if you're thick as pig-s
t and have no work ethic. 
When Clegg was justifying it, he didn't add that you'd be an idiot not to pay more, so I think it's fair to use his figures as part of the argument.
He didn't say what your £6k a year actually works out at after interest when paying back at £7 a week, which is probably a more useful figure in the debate.
BoRED S2upid said:
zakelwe said:
I drove a Morris Ital 1.3 and my mate drove a st brown Allegro.
You must have been the rich kids to afford cars! Students should be walking or forced to use public transport. t brown Allegro.Edited by zakelwe on Wednesday 1st December 16:29
Andy
Can somebody do me a favour and post the comment below on that U tube clip please? For some reason I can't access my account.
This is nauseating. To equate your grievances over fees with the dreadful suffering of starving Ethiopians in this way displays gross immaturity. Furthermore, I note that you have systematically removed most of the comments that were critical of this shabby effort, leaving only the sycophantic blurtings of your fellow students. That your critics significantly outnumbered those praising you should at the least have given you some clue as to the gravity of the offence you have caused to those of us who were “there” for the real Live Aid. Perhaps when you have grown up you will learn that what is free for the some, must be paid for by the sweat and efforts of the many. Only then will you appreciate why it is so wrong for people who will spend their lives on little more than minimum wage, struggling to bring up kids and do the right thing by their friends and families on meager resources, to pay tax so that students like you can earn degrees that in many cases will assist them to achieve salaries that are many multiples of what they themselves will ever see. Refusing to accept the realities of the current economic situation, spitting the dummy over what is, if you read the proposals, actually an offer that most students around the world would love to have, violence and the suppression of any comment that dissents from your position shows just how spoilt, out of touch and delusional you are. Shame on you.
This is nauseating. To equate your grievances over fees with the dreadful suffering of starving Ethiopians in this way displays gross immaturity. Furthermore, I note that you have systematically removed most of the comments that were critical of this shabby effort, leaving only the sycophantic blurtings of your fellow students. That your critics significantly outnumbered those praising you should at the least have given you some clue as to the gravity of the offence you have caused to those of us who were “there” for the real Live Aid. Perhaps when you have grown up you will learn that what is free for the some, must be paid for by the sweat and efforts of the many. Only then will you appreciate why it is so wrong for people who will spend their lives on little more than minimum wage, struggling to bring up kids and do the right thing by their friends and families on meager resources, to pay tax so that students like you can earn degrees that in many cases will assist them to achieve salaries that are many multiples of what they themselves will ever see. Refusing to accept the realities of the current economic situation, spitting the dummy over what is, if you read the proposals, actually an offer that most students around the world would love to have, violence and the suppression of any comment that dissents from your position shows just how spoilt, out of touch and delusional you are. Shame on you.
paulrockliffe said:
DonkeyApple said:
paulrockliffe said:
Mrs OwenK said:
But you don't have to pay a single penny until you're earning a pretty good wage - and even then, in such small quantities that you'll never even notice.
I'm not supporting any of this, but bear in mind that if you don't pay anything back for a few years, the size of the capital will only grow due to interest. If you're earning £21k and paying back £7 a week I think Clegg said yesterday, you're not even covering the interest. So if you get to the end of your days earning below £30k, you'll be paying about a grand a year or so for most of your working life, yet still not making an impact on the capital. All figures very approximate.The answer is blindingly obvious though; don't go to uni as a default position. Especially if you're thick as pig-s
t and have no work ethic. When Clegg was justifying it, he didn't add that you'd be an idiot not to pay more, so I think it's fair to use his figures as part of the argument.
He didn't say what your £6k a year actually works out at after interest when paying back at £7 a week, which is probably a more useful figure in the debate.
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