Labour want fuel duty reduced

[Jasandjules]

thinfourth2 said:

And only the deluded think that cameron and co will give the planet killing anti social kitten killing evil bd that is the car owner a break

Unfortunately, you are more likely than not to be correct.

It really was a lesser of two evils vote this time around. However, (cross posting perhaps!), nature is f***ng up the AGW lie fairly nicely at the moment, so once popularity for it diminishes sufficiently (which I suspect will be helped along by the economic crises) then it should be quietly reduced by Govts who after all care nothing for anything but being in power (in the main).

[kiteless]

The Black Flash said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199129/Hi....

. End of.

The same who went on air and stated that all CO2 in the atmosphere was generated by humans.

ery of infinite proportions.

[Crafty_]

elster said:

Actually Labour have proposed that VAT is reduced on the Fuel, which can't be done.
Not the Fuel Duty.

Two ways of looking at this..

1) Labour didn't know the EU wouldn't allow this, in which case they have shown them to be incompetent tts

2) They knew full well, but are trying to grab headlines, which shows them to be the aholes they are..

[Tsippy]

Jasandjules said:

thinfourth2 said:

And only the deluded think that cameron and co will give the planet killing anti social kitten killing evil bd that is the car owner a break

Unfortunately, you are more likely than not to be correct.

It really was a lesser of two evils vote this time around. However, (cross posting perhaps!), nature is f***ng up the AGW lie fairly nicely at the moment, so once popularity for it diminishes sufficiently (which I suspect will be helped along by the economic crises) then it should be quietly reduced by Govts who after all care nothing for anything but being in power (in the main).

It could snow tomorrow until the new year and the populace will still believe in AGW. Their faith is something that religion should be envious of.

[james_tigerwoods]

thinfourth2 said:

And only the deluded think that cameron and co will give the planet killing anti social kitten killing evil bd that is the car owner a break

God forbid that any pollution is also caused by aviation, shipping, industry, etc - kill the car...

[Jasandjules]

Tsippy said:

It could snow tomorrow until the new year and the populace will still believe in AGW. Their faith is something that religion should be envious of.

Whilst it is off topic, I know so very few people who even remotely believe in AGW at all, that I think that the majority of the population know full well it's rubbish. They are not as stupid as politicians think they are.

[Funkateer]

Jasandjules said:

Tsippy said:

It could snow tomorrow until the new year and the populace will still believe in AGW. Their faith is something that religion should be envious of.

Whilst it is off topic, I know so very few people who even remotely believe in AGW at all, that I think that the majority of the population know full well it's rubbish. They are not as stupid as politicians think they are.

Poll after poll indicates that most seem to not believe in AGW. People in general are deeply suspicious of the motives of politicians, who's main aim seems to be to raise more tax.

Strange how the 'issue' gets conveniently forgotten when it comes to huge wastes of energy such as Olympic games or wars.

[Frankeh]

Crafty_ said:

elster said:

Actually Labour have proposed that VAT is reduced on the Fuel, which can't be done.
Not the Fuel Duty.

Two ways of looking at this..

1) Labour didn't know the EU wouldn't allow this, in which case they have shown them to be incompetent tts

2) They knew full well, but are trying to grab headlines, which shows them to be the aholes they are..

I'd love The Paxman to go with a "Are you incompetent or are you trying to grab headlines?" line of questioning with Ed Miliband.

[elster]

Frankeh said:

Crafty_ said:

elster said:

Actually Labour have proposed that VAT is reduced on the Fuel, which can't be done.
Not the Fuel Duty.

Two ways of looking at this..

1) Labour didn't know the EU wouldn't allow this, in which case they have shown them to be incompetent tts

2) They knew full well, but are trying to grab headlines, which shows them to be the aholes they are..

I'd love The Paxman to go with a "Are you incompetent or are you trying to grab headlines?" line of questioning with Ed Miliband.

Andrew Neil picked up on it 2 days ago saying it was not allowed under EU law to Ed Balls directly.

The next day on DP They were still banging on about it to a Lib Dem who said it was illegal.

[Johnnytheboy]

thinfourth2 said:

lets all concentrate on the word stabiliser

Stable, steady, constant

Now lets look at todays fuel price

Stupidly high

Now do we want stable fuel prices considering that oil goes up and down in price?

If a fuel price stabiliser comes in trust me they will fk drivers even harder

I'm inclined to agree, they'll wait until they think the price is peaking, then introduce a stabiliser.

[hornet]

Top of the head idea, probably rubbish. How about setting a theoretical limit on the tax and duty take but still letting the actual take go above it, putting any surplus into a ring fenced pot and using it to offset VED costs in any given year?

[Funkateer]

Crafty_ said:

...Labour didn't know the EU wouldn't allow this, in which case they have shown them to be incompetent tts

I'm quite surprised how we managed to get ourselves in a position where the EU dictates our fuel duty, but I suppose we were denied a referendum by the last government.

Nevertheless, why don't we just tell the EU to "F off", so to speak? It's our economy after all.

But then we'd be paying less tax!

[Engineer1]

Isn't vat eu defined while the duty is up to the member state.

[powerstroke]

Funkateer said:

I'm quite surprised how we managed to get ourselves in a position where the EU dictates our fuel duty, but I suppose we were denied a referendum by the last government.

Nevertheless, why don't we just tell the EU to "F off", so to speak? It's our economy after all.

But then we'd be paying less tax!

Sadly we are now ruled by the EU, our paliment is now no more than a reigonal assembly and that is that....

[Crafty_]

Funkateer said:

I'm quite surprised how we managed to get ourselves in a position where the EU dictates our fuel duty, but I suppose we were denied a referendum by the last government.

Nevertheless, why don't we just tell the EU to "F off", so to speak? It's our economy after all.

But then we'd be paying less tax!

Its nothing to do with fuel duty, EU only let member states have 3 VAT rates, we already have three, so creating a fourth @ 17.5% isn't possible.

Kind of odd really, I can sort of understand it for those who are in the euro, but don't quite get why we should be under this rule..

anyway, labour are just trying to use the same old tactics - as someone pointed out the scheduled duty rise would pretty much wipe out their proposed cut in VAT, but they would of still been crowing about "lowering fuel costs for the public" and all that tripe. wkers.