Bus stop in Jerusalem bombed.

[Mermaid]

enioldjoe said:

Barak said we're willing to give back (in total of Camp David and Oslo 2), 97% of the land captured in self defence in 1967. They only wanted 3% to re establish the Jewish settlements taken and destroyed in the 20's and 30's.They only wanted their communities back and holy sites like Hebron. They would keep 3% and in exchange for that 3% an equivilant amount of good land would be given. All they wanted was peace.

That was a lost opportunity for the Arabs, and their corrupt Arafat government (a regime change would have been a very good idea )

circa 67 borders may still be a feasible. Oddly, it is becoming less acceptable to the centre-right (& they need the support of the further right) because of the changing demographics – the Arabs are breeding faster and Jewish immigration has slowed to a trickle.

They both so much deserve Peace, and the certainty/better living standards that creates.

Edited by Mermaid on Friday 25th March 15:18

[Mermaid]

Jimbeaux said:

.. And again, I would like to see the Arabs step up.....in regards to the Palestinians and in the Libyan affair.

+1

Hallelujah

[Victor McDade]

enioldjoe said:

Who originally refused to make an Arab Muslim state?

From May '48 until June '67, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, the Gaza strip and the Golan Heights were under the total control of Arab Muslims. If they believed there should be a Palestinian Muslim Arab State beyond Jordan, why didn't they establish one when they had nearly twenty years to do so? Now Israel is supposed to do something they didn't want to do themselves and saw no need for?

There was one country what offered an Palestinian Muslim Arab state.

Who said we will give to the Muslim Turks what their own leaders, the Brits and the UN wouldn't give them? One nation said we will give them a state.

Barak said we're willing to give back (in total of Camp David and Oslo 2), 97% of the land captured in self defence in 1967. They only wanted 3% to re establish the Jewish settlements taken and destroyed in the 20's and 30's.They only wanted their communities back and holy sites like Hebron. They would keep 3% and in exchange for that 3% an equivilant amount of good land would be given. All they wanted was peace.

How did (then) Arafat respond? He said...no. And then called for 1M martyrs and put bombs on Egged buses.

You are correct. Arafat screwed his 'people' up big time. It was a golden opportunity for a peaceful two state solution back then.

However, as I said I don't believe a two state solution is workable at all now. Israel cannot afford to give up what it was willing to do back then and the other side will accept nothing less. What we need is a greater Israel which gives citizenship to those who previously lived there but had to flee because of the wars. The 'right of return' is a universal human right. Either let them back or pay them to go and live elsewhere and give up their rights to any property/land.

Edited by Victor McDade on Friday 25th March 13:11

[Halb]

Jimbeaux said:

That sounds reasonable but do you believe they really want to or even remember the place? IIRC, Arabs living there were told to leave by other Arab nations as the Israelis were going to be destroyed, before the five nations attacked and were defeated.

That has been discussed before;)
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[Jimbeaux]

Halb said:

Jimbeaux said:

That sounds reasonable but do you believe they really want to or even remember the place? IIRC, Arabs living there were told to leave by other Arab nations as the Israelis were going to be destroyed, before the five nations attacked and were defeated.

That has been discussed before;)
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Thanks.