Census enforcement.
Discussion
fergywales said:
Manks said:
So you think that whilst ostensibly a tool for mapping population and demographics, it is in reality a covert plot to root out dissenters and ne'er-do-wells?
No, it is simply to justify the existence of some of our civil servants. 
Id say one thing the info can be used for is to analyse the average distance people in each area are commuting and therefore assess future road planning/building.
Also highlights skills levels in each area/average skills base which is very usefull as those areas lacking certain skills forwhatever reason investment can occur into relevant education and or for those wanting to stay in their locality ensure that their skills meet those that local employers require.
Another thing is it highlights education in different areas & as it has history/previous ones it can highlight possible brain drains so could encourage tax relief for certain areas for business of certain kinds to establish themselves.
You have to tell HMRC every year about your employer through self assessment - hardly a huge issue is it.
I really cannot see what harm any of the info could do.
Frankly just get it done - Im assuming those who dont never vote in general or local elections as sch have little interest in our great nation. If so um... there areother countries which may appeal more so why not go?
Also highlights skills levels in each area/average skills base which is very usefull as those areas lacking certain skills forwhatever reason investment can occur into relevant education and or for those wanting to stay in their locality ensure that their skills meet those that local employers require.
Another thing is it highlights education in different areas & as it has history/previous ones it can highlight possible brain drains so could encourage tax relief for certain areas for business of certain kinds to establish themselves.
You have to tell HMRC every year about your employer through self assessment - hardly a huge issue is it.
I really cannot see what harm any of the info could do.
Frankly just get it done - Im assuming those who dont never vote in general or local elections as sch have little interest in our great nation. If so um... there areother countries which may appeal more so why not go?
jagracer said:
Neither can I providing a party such as the BNP or some radical Muslin extremists or the like don't ever get into power.
I agree - however "free speech" is the issue you'd be breaking here. I could create a political party which sole policy is big yellow circles, I have the perfect right to do so if I wish. Cleary it would be of irrelevance to anything maybe apart from baby's who may like yellow circles.
The point I'm making is that these horrible parties exist because there is demand of some kind for them, otherwise you'd simply have one nutter spurting utter tosh and noone listening or agreeing in any way.
Welshbeef said:
jagracer said:
Neither can I providing a party such as the BNP or some radical Muslin extremists or the like don't ever get into power.
I agree - however "free speech" is the issue you'd be breaking here. I could create a political party which sole policy is big yellow circles, I have the perfect right to do so if I wish. Cleary it would be of irrelevance to anything maybe apart from baby's who may like yellow circles.
The point I'm making is that these horrible parties exist because there is demand of some kind for them, otherwise you'd simply have one nutter spurting utter tosh and noone listening or agreeing in any way.
jagracer said:
Free speech or whatever is irrelevant here, I'm not disagreeing with their right to existence just coming up with a reason for not having too much information available.
Its under 10 mins work... if you call it work. Just do it, get it done.
Your grandchildren/great grand kids may be interested in seeing where you were and what you were doing in the future.
I know when I first realised that you can look into it once its over 100 y.o. I may look up family members to seewhat they were doing
Welshbeef said:
It took under 10 mins to complete.
Really basic stuff
Got to question why you wouldnt want to fill it in? What are you wanting to hide?
It is a legal document on par with the electoral role as such why would anyone want to risk a criminal conviction/record which has to be put onto every job application & visa request....
Seems a lot more hassle in not filling it in than in filling it in. Dont get it.
Under 10 mins of "work" - vs dealing with people chasing you up on the front door and the stress & wasting of your time that it causes, plus of course the impact of what it may have on your criminal
I dutifully filled it in, and posted it the following day. I've had 3 visits from them saying 'why haven't you filled it in?'. I reply I have, and posted it 3 weeks ago. This gets no problem, there is a huge backlog and they wander off. Th3rd time they left a leaflet with a contact number you can ring to check it has arrived.Really basic stuff
Got to question why you wouldnt want to fill it in? What are you wanting to hide?
It is a legal document on par with the electoral role as such why would anyone want to risk a criminal conviction/record which has to be put onto every job application & visa request....
Seems a lot more hassle in not filling it in than in filling it in. Dont get it.
Under 10 mins of "work" - vs dealing with people chasing you up on the front door and the stress & wasting of your time that it causes, plus of course the impact of what it may have on your criminal
Except they can't, they just say there is a huge backlog, try again in a few days....
eldar said:
I dutifully filled it in, and posted it the following day. I've had 3 visits from them saying 'why haven't you filled it in?'. I reply I have, and posted it 3 weeks ago. This gets no problem, there is a huge backlog and they wander off. Th3rd time they left a leaflet with a contact number you can ring to check it has arrived.
Except they can't, they just say there is a huge backlog, try again in a few days....
Which makes me think that if someone has not submitted theirs they could later claim that they had and probably no one could prove otherwise.Except they can't, they just say there is a huge backlog, try again in a few days....
I also wonder how many people have simply written any old nonsense on the form and sent it back just to have complied.
In short, I have my suspicions that a great many census forms will either not be submitted or the information on them will be nonsense.
Now, well, I have two chaps pressing my buzzer (phnarr phnarr) in the last week over the fact that I have failed to complete the census and return it.
The first guy was very pleasant and introduced himself politely and then asked if I had recieved the form, to which I replied that I had but had completely forgotten all about it. He then said that as long as I had recieved the form that was fine but would I mind if I found 10 minutes this week to fill it out and return it. I replied that I would be delighted and apologised for my tardiness.
Two days later I some militant, skanky creature buzzes and demands to speak to the head of the house.
The conversation went roughtly as follows:
Skank: Who am I talking to?
Me: Evening, who may I ask is wanting to know?
Skank: I'm from the Census Enforcement Team. Are you the head of the house?
Me: No, that would be my wife. (this is where my fun begins usually with door to door salesmen)
Skank: I need to speak to your wife.
My wife: ciao, che cosa vuoi?
Skank: What?
Wife: Che?
Skank: What?
Wife: Che?
After a while, my wife hands me the handset and wanders off.
Me: Sorry, my wife is Sicilian, can I help?
Skank: Have you got the census form?
Me: Si, sorry, yes.
Skank: Have you completed and returned it?
Me: What?
Skank: The Census Form!
Me: Should I?
Skank: Yes! You have to fill it out and return it?
Me: But I don't know where it came from?
Skank: You need to fill it out and return it to the address given!!
Me: OK.
Skank: So will you do that?
Me: What?
Skank: Complete the census form and return it?
Me: What form?
Skank: Do you understand what I am saying?
Me: Che?
Skank speaks obsenities into the speaker and walks off.
It's all very childish but when someone arrives on your doorstep and is instantly and miltantly rude I do feel that it is the least I can do to annoy them back.
The first guy was very pleasant and introduced himself politely and then asked if I had recieved the form, to which I replied that I had but had completely forgotten all about it. He then said that as long as I had recieved the form that was fine but would I mind if I found 10 minutes this week to fill it out and return it. I replied that I would be delighted and apologised for my tardiness.
Two days later I some militant, skanky creature buzzes and demands to speak to the head of the house.
The conversation went roughtly as follows:
Skank: Who am I talking to?
Me: Evening, who may I ask is wanting to know?
Skank: I'm from the Census Enforcement Team. Are you the head of the house?
Me: No, that would be my wife. (this is where my fun begins usually with door to door salesmen)
Skank: I need to speak to your wife.
My wife: ciao, che cosa vuoi?
Skank: What?
Wife: Che?
Skank: What?
Wife: Che?
After a while, my wife hands me the handset and wanders off.
Me: Sorry, my wife is Sicilian, can I help?
Skank: Have you got the census form?
Me: Si, sorry, yes.
Skank: Have you completed and returned it?
Me: What?
Skank: The Census Form!
Me: Should I?
Skank: Yes! You have to fill it out and return it?
Me: But I don't know where it came from?
Skank: You need to fill it out and return it to the address given!!
Me: OK.
Skank: So will you do that?
Me: What?
Skank: Complete the census form and return it?
Me: What form?
Skank: Do you understand what I am saying?
Me: Che?
Skank speaks obsenities into the speaker and walks off.
It's all very childish but when someone arrives on your doorstep and is instantly and miltantly rude I do feel that it is the least I can do to annoy them back.
Welshbeef said:
Id say one thing the info can be used for is to analyse the average distance people in each area are commuting and therefore assess future road planning/building.
Also highlights skills levels in each area/average skills base which is very usefull as those areas lacking certain skills forwhatever reason investment can occur into relevant education and or for those wanting to stay in their locality ensure that their skills meet those that local employers require.
Another thing is it highlights education in different areas & as it has history/previous ones it can highlight possible brain drains so could encourage tax relief for certain areas for business of certain kinds to establish themselves.
You have to tell HMRC every year about your employer through self assessment - hardly a huge issue is it.
No i dont
I really cannot see what harm any of the info could do.
Frankly just get it done - Im assuming those who dont never vote in general or local elections as sch have little interest in our great nation. If so um... there areother countries which may appeal more so why not go?
I am fed up with the snooping of this government and there determination to gather as much info about me and everyone else so they can either use it to charge me more, bring in more pointless legislation or to sell or lose it.Also highlights skills levels in each area/average skills base which is very usefull as those areas lacking certain skills forwhatever reason investment can occur into relevant education and or for those wanting to stay in their locality ensure that their skills meet those that local employers require.
Another thing is it highlights education in different areas & as it has history/previous ones it can highlight possible brain drains so could encourage tax relief for certain areas for business of certain kinds to establish themselves.
You have to tell HMRC every year about your employer through self assessment - hardly a huge issue is it.
No i dont
I really cannot see what harm any of the info could do.
Frankly just get it done - Im assuming those who dont never vote in general or local elections as sch have little interest in our great nation. If so um... there areother countries which may appeal more so why not go?
DonkeyApple said:
It's all very childish but when someone arrives on your doorstep and is instantly and miltantly rude I do feel that it is the least I can do to annoy them back.
Tallbut Buxomly said:
I have been bothered by the census people twice now. I am intending to ignore it for as long as possible.
Worst case i will have to pay a fine however i am hoping census are as inept as the inland revenue.
You do realise that you're breaking the PH code here? All you're doing is creating work for public servants and costing taxpayers money.Worst case i will have to pay a fine however i am hoping census are as inept as the inland revenue.
Einion Yrth said:
The 'public servants' would still be there costing money, at least this way they're getting some exercise.
No - they've been employed to chase people up. Pretty well the whole census workforce is temporary - all the guys above are doing is keeping these people in work.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff