Islam and the West

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AreOut

3,658 posts

163 months

Saturday 21st June 2014
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Countdown said:
Most muslims are muslims because they are born into muslim families. I'd imagine it's quite difficult to convert people by force nowadays.
absolutely, but their ancestors had to convert at some point, and there is a big chance they wouldn't if not for their spreading policy smile

grumbledoak

31,618 posts

235 months

Saturday 21st June 2014
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Countdown said:
I'd imagine it's quite difficult to convert people by force nowadays.
Here in the UK, maybe. It's a bit different in Africa.

AreOut

3,658 posts

163 months

Saturday 21st June 2014
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she has lebanese ancestry, so I fully understand why she doesn't stand Muslims

Mermaid

21,492 posts

173 months

Saturday 21st June 2014
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AreOut said:
she has lebanese ancestry, so I fully understand why she doesn't stand Muslims
Is that the best explanation you can offer?

AreOut

3,658 posts

163 months

Sunday 22nd June 2014
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nope, and she is right anyway smile

supersingle

3,205 posts

221 months

Monday 23rd June 2014
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Grumfutock said:
DonkeyApple said:
I think you are also missing the irony of her situation being used in a one sides argument.

She is willing to sacrifice her child's upbringing because of her mental indoctrination into a religion.

The child is going to be Islamic whatever the mother does but because of her equally stupid belief it now won't have a mother.

It's what is called a Pyric victory and she is as much a backward idiot as her husbands family.

It is not a good example for the point people are trying to use it for. In fact it is a perfect example of the fkwittery of humans who put any rancid religious belief before the well being of humans let alone children.
Tell me, at what point, if any, would you stand up and fight?
She's been released. Great news for her and her family. Just goes to show that if you stand up to the islamofascists you can win without any blood being shed. The Sudanese authorities were shamed by international outrage into doing the right thing...eventually.

Bill

53,179 posts

257 months

Monday 23rd June 2014
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AreOut said:
absolutely, but their ancestors had to convert at some point, and there is a big chance they wouldn't if not for their spreading policy smile
Why do you think the CofE follow a bloke born (allegedly) in the Midde East?

AreOut

3,658 posts

163 months

Tuesday 24th June 2014
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well all religions spread similarly, Islam is just the most aggressive one

KareemK

1,110 posts

121 months

Tuesday 24th June 2014
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AreOut said:
well all religions spread similarly, Islam is just the most aggressive one
I'd suggest history would argue otherwise. Look again at the map of where Christianity started and how all encompassing it is today on page 1 of this thread. The Roman Catholic church in particular has 'pressed' their viewpoint on every country in the west for hundreds of years and mostly through an equal amount of barbarity.

Ironically they'll be no 'heaven on earth' until we rid ourselves of the abomination of religion.

Jinx

11,457 posts

262 months

Tuesday 24th June 2014
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KareemK said:
I'd suggest history would argue otherwise. Look again at the map of where Christianity started and how all encompassing it is today on page 1 of this thread. The Roman Catholic church in particular has 'pressed' their viewpoint on every country in the west for hundreds of years and mostly through an equal amount of barbarity.

Ironically they'll be no 'heaven on earth' until we rid ourselves of the abomination of religion.
Had a 600 year head start on Islam.

samuelellis

1,927 posts

203 months

Tuesday 24th June 2014
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supersingle said:
Grumfutock said:
DonkeyApple said:
I think you are also missing the irony of her situation being used in a one sides argument.

She is willing to sacrifice her child's upbringing because of her mental indoctrination into a religion.

The child is going to be Islamic whatever the mother does but because of her equally stupid belief it now won't have a mother.

It's what is called a Pyric victory and she is as much a backward idiot as her husbands family.

It is not a good example for the point people are trying to use it for. In fact it is a perfect example of the fkwittery of humans who put any rancid religious belief before the well being of humans let alone children.
Tell me, at what point, if any, would you stand up and fight?
She's been released. Great news for her and her family. Just goes to show that if you stand up to the islamofascists you can win without any blood being shed. The Sudanese authorities were shamed by international outrage into doing the right thing...eventually.
And they have arrested her agian - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2667016/Su...

AreOut

3,658 posts

163 months

Tuesday 24th June 2014
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Jinx said:
Had a 600 year head start on Islam.
true that, and it's much easier to "convert" pagans than already religious people

Bill

53,179 posts

257 months

Tuesday 24th June 2014
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Is it?

Anyway, they squandered any head start by not discovering the Americas for ages.

TTwiggy

11,574 posts

206 months

Tuesday 24th June 2014
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AreOut said:
Jinx said:
Had a 600 year head start on Islam.
true that, and it's much easier to "convert" pagans than already religious people
couple of points here:

1: Paganism IS a religion.

2: No, it's actually easier to convert the religious than the non-religious. The Jehovah's Witnesses, for instance, have a much better conversion rate among active Christians than they do among Atheists.

irocfan

40,964 posts

192 months

Tuesday 24th June 2014
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KareemK said:
AreOut said:
well all religions spread similarly, Islam is just the most aggressive one
I'd suggest history would argue otherwise. Look again at the map of where Christianity started and how all encompassing it is today on page 1 of this thread. The Roman Catholic church in particular has 'pressed' their viewpoint on every country in the west for hundreds of years and mostly through an equal amount of barbarity.
yes but that was in the past... these days they'd no longer welcome Torquemada - and I daresay even he might be a little bemused by the isis lot. Then again as long as he got to torture people maybe not frown

supersingle

3,205 posts

221 months

Tuesday 24th June 2014
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samuelellis said:
supersingle said:
Grumfutock said:
DonkeyApple said:
I think you are also missing the irony of her situation being used in a one sides argument.

She is willing to sacrifice her child's upbringing because of her mental indoctrination into a religion.

The child is going to be Islamic whatever the mother does but because of her equally stupid belief it now won't have a mother.

It's what is called a Pyric victory and she is as much a backward idiot as her husbands family.

It is not a good example for the point people are trying to use it for. In fact it is a perfect example of the fkwittery of humans who put any rancid religious belief before the well being of humans let alone children.
Tell me, at what point, if any, would you stand up and fight?
She's been released. Great news for her and her family. Just goes to show that if you stand up to the islamofascists you can win without any blood being shed. The Sudanese authorities were shamed by international outrage into doing the right thing...eventually.
And they have arrested her agian - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2667016/Su...
Oh FFS!

So near yet so far. It's incredible that people can show no respect and compassion for another human who has done them no harm whatsoever.

gpo746

3,397 posts

132 months

Friday 27th June 2014
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In other news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wale...

It's whitey Police's forces fault :
I mean to have one son fook off and go join in the fighting is unfortunate but to have two seems rather like a problem Daddy needs to think about a lot

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

160 months

Friday 27th June 2014
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It's hardly the police's job to stop aholes brainwashing other aholes.

gpo746

3,397 posts

132 months

Friday 27th June 2014
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Rovinghawk said:
It's hardly the police's job to stop aholes brainwashing other aholes.
Yes it is they didn't do enough daddy says so !

"evenin all its PC Dixon here can I interest you in this leaflet on locking up your shed to prevent your lawnmower being nicked .Oh and by the way have you any radicals in the house need putting back on the straight and narrow ?"
smile

Edited by gpo746 on Friday 27th June 11:34

smegmore

3,091 posts

178 months

Friday 27th June 2014
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gpo746 said:
In other news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wale...

It's whitey Police's forces fault :
I mean to have one son fook off and go join in the fighting is unfortunate but to have two seems rather like a problem Daddy needs to think about a lot
So this chump blames the police because his sons were radicalised and are now jihadists??

And where was he exactly during this 'radicalisation'? Perhaps a compo claim is forthcoming.

O/T

'ACC Nikki Holland' said.................

Isn't she from The Mash?

Edited by smegmore on Friday 27th June 11:39