How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)

[jjlynn27]

crankedup said:

Lesson jj, after a period of time throwing around childish remarks they become irrelevant from overuse. Familiarity breeds contempt. You have much to learn grasshopper, but getting you off Mums knee is proving tough.

'Mums knee'? LOL. Interwar insults are fun.

[turbobloke]

Read all abartit.

http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/07/26/eu-rel...

[gooner1]

Ghibli said:

Great, the 48% would get a vote on two options of which they want neither.

How about a vote to stay in the EU or to stay in the EU, does that sound fair?

How many options were available on the original vote, why do think you
are entitled to more options than another set of voters?

[Digga]

desolate said:

psi310398 said:

Some other banks have moved some of their operations. Others will follow. How material it will be remains to be seen. In many cases, it is brass plating.

Thanks. Similar to general insurance then.

DB has manifold problems. Was downgraded by S&P to BBB at the start of last month and is now retreating from many markets: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-27...

The UK retrenchment is by no means solely because of Brexit.

[amusingduck]

turbobloke said:

Read all abartit.

http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/07/26/eu-rel...

Odd definition of 'essential' they've got there

[turbobloke]

gooner1 said:

Ghibli said:

Great, the 48% would get a vote on two options of which they want neither.

How about a vote to stay in the EU or to stay in the EU, does that sound fair?

How many options were available on the original vote, why do think you are entitled to more options than another set of voters?

A vote on two options of which they want neither? WTF is the fuss about? This has happened to voters at recent general elections without resulting in excessive whining and mewling.

In other news, Remain lost the referendum vote and its supporters still aren't coping very well. Nothing there to whine about

[turbobloke]

amusingduck said:

turbobloke said:

Read all abartit.

http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/07/26/eu-rel...

Odd definition of 'essential' they've got there

And as we've seen from Juncker-meets-Trump, it's not actually.

[wiggy001]

djc206 said:

Why can’t people change their minds once all the facts and options are laid bare?

They absolutely can. Once Brexit has been implemented and we have left the EU I have no problem with another referendum on whether to stay out or to rejoin the EU. Until then we won't have all the facts and opinions in order to make such a judgement.

Remainers are constantly telling us that we didn't know what we voted for 2 years ago. It was a stupid binary question to a complex situation, both sides lied in the build up and the average person couldn't have had a clue as to what they were voting for. How has any of this changed? If anything, the possible options, opinions and potential outcomes are even more confusing than they were 2 years ago. If people "got it wrong" then by being ill informed, they can't possibly be trusted in such a referendum again surely? What would the question be on the ballot paper? Given that we have no idea what it would mean to NOT go through with Brexit now, the Remain options are at least as complex as those for Leave.

We need to see this through one way or another and then decide, after a period of settling in, whether we want to rejoin or not. Sure, there could be some short-term hardship, but if Brexit is going to be as disasterous as Remainers say it will, what's the issue with another referendum in say 2025/2030? Is it the fact that Remainers know no-one in their right mind would vote to join the EU now or in the future?

[psi310398]

Digga said:

DB has manifold problems. Was downgraded by S&P to BBB at the start of last month and is now retreating from many markets: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-27...

The UK retrenchment is by no means solely because of Brexit.

Sure, but (tinfoil hat time?) given what has moved, I do wonder if the board has been put under pressure to be seen to relocate in exchange for support assurances from the government/Bundesbank. I know I would if I were the German government.

[jjlynn27]

powerstroke said:

Thanks , I think you will find people with non-christian beliefs and different coloured skin
come from OUT SIDE THE EU ... but never let the facts get in the way of posting a load of predictable remainer dreck .. ... And we leavers are supposed to be the stupid ones

"OUT SIDE"?

Not all leavers are stupid or 'supposed to be stupid' but you are surely doing your bit to skew the percentages.

[turbobloke]

wiggy001 said:

Is it the fact that Remainers know no-one in their right mind would vote to join the EU now or in the future?

As it happens I agree...my view includes the likelihood that as time goes by the few that would want to re-join will get fewer. As to what will happen in 5 or 10 or (better) 40 years' time, then as always...nobody knows!

[LoonyTunes]

jjlynn27 said:

powerstroke said:

Thanks , I think you will find people with non-christian beliefs and different coloured skin
come from OUT SIDE THE EU ... but never let the facts get in the way of posting a load of predictable remainer dreck .. ... And we leavers are supposed to be the stupid ones

"OUT SIDE"?

Not all leavers are stupid or 'supposed to be stupid' but you are surely doing your bit to skew the percentages.

yes, it's a strange post.

[Digga]

psi310398 said:

Digga said:

DB has manifold problems. Was downgraded by S&P to BBB at the start of last month and is now retreating from many markets: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-27...

The UK retrenchment is by no means solely because of Brexit.

Sure, but (tinfoil hat time?) given what has moved, I do wonder if the board has been put under pressure to be seen to relocate in exchange for support assurances from the government/Bundesbank. I know I would if I were the German government.

And they're shutting Chicago because Muttie doesn't like Trump?

[jjlynn27]

sidicks said:

Leave person supports other leave persons idiotic post. How surprising.

Edited by dinosaur.mod on Sunday 29th July 20:56

LOL. What was that before mod's edit?

As for you pointing out idiotic tribal loyalties? Seriously?

[psi310398]

Digga said:

And they're shutting Chicago because Muttie doesn't like Trump?

No. They have serious problems, and Brexit is the least of them, I'd imagine.

They've moved the Euro-clearing operation to another exchange but stated that most of the people doing the settlement work will remain in London. That, to me, seems a mite more of political gesture rather than a free-standing business decision.

I can see the risk-reduction logic (if a bit thin) for moving to a continental exchange but keeping the operational people in London suggests a business need to minimise operational disruption.

Just a suspicion. But with DB being beholden to the goodwill of the powers that be in Germany, I wouldn't be surprised.

[jjlynn27]

Digga said:

Didn't see where this little gem form the weekend was being discussed on here: https://www.politico.eu/article/matteo-salvini-eu-...

Matteo Salvini said:

The EU is not conducting Brexit talks with the U.K. in “good faith,”

Stop the press. Rabid Europhobe says the EU is not conducting talks in 'good faith'? That is quite shocking. It would be almost as shocking if Farage made the same claim.

Bit of trivia about Salvini that I find funny; failed to graduate after spending 16 (yes, that is sixteen) years at university.

[don'tbesilly]

jjlynn27 said:

Digga said:

Didn't see where this little gem form the weekend was being discussed on here: https://www.politico.eu/article/matteo-salvini-eu-...

Matteo Salvini said:

The EU is not conducting Brexit talks with the U.K. in “good faith,”

Stop the press. Rabid Europhobe says the EU is not conducting talks in 'good faith'? That is quite shocking. It would be almost as shocking if Farage made the same claim.

Bit of trivia about Salvini that I find funny; failed to graduate after spending 16 (yes, that is sixteen) years at university.

Fascinating fact about Salvini, thanks. (like it matters )

[psi310398]

jjlynn27 said:

Stop the press. Rabid Europhobe says the EU is not conducting talks in 'good faith'? That is quite shocking. It would be almost as shocking if Farage made the same claim.

Bit of trivia about Salvini that I find funny; failed to graduate after spending 16 (yes, that is sixteen) years at university.

Not being rude, but I suspect he has achieved more with his life than you.

We are not stupid. We know he's a Eurosceptic. He also happens to be Deputy Prime Minister of Italy and Minister of the Interior. Italy is the third most important economy in the EU, if you leave us out of it. He heads the party that scored the highest number of votes in the Italian General Election. So what he says counts for something in the councils of Europe, even if you despise him.

He is offering support to the UK. I, for one, am grateful.

[sidicks]

jjlynn27 said:

"OUT SIDE"?

Not all leavers are stupid or 'supposed to be stupid' but you are surely doing your bit to skew the percentages.

However, there’s certainly enough Remainers on here that would more than compensate for that.

[RAFsmoggy]

jjlynn27 said:

Stop the press. Rabid Europhobe says the EU is not conducting talks in 'good faith'? That is quite shocking. It would be almost as shocking if Farage made the same claim.

Bit of trivia about Salvini that I find funny; failed to graduate after spending 16 (yes, that is sixteen) years at university.

It seems your argument is falling short you resort to childish remarks that have nothing to do with the subject?, What a narcissistic little pratt you are...