Your voting intentions
Poll: Your voting intentions
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Discussion
Castrol for a knave said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
CivicDuties said:
I think you can be thick and rise all the way to the top of the Conservative Party, because there are far more important factors in that organisation than intelligence.
I mean look at Oliver Dowden and Andrea Jenkyns for starters. Whale omlettes. Ress-Mogg is also startlingly dim when you scratch the surface.
Totally agree. But it isn't limited to Conservatives. Diane Abbott, for example. I mean look at Oliver Dowden and Andrea Jenkyns for starters. Whale omlettes. Ress-Mogg is also startlingly dim when you scratch the surface.
I actually don't think Mogg is thick - he's another anachronism, but that does not make him dim.
There are MP's who I think are not the sharpest tool in the drawer, such as Lia Nici and Andrea Jenkyns, but they are the 2019 intake, and the bar was set pretty low.
Rayner wasn't imposed on Starmer - she's more the product of realpolitik - that a centrist leader needs to have the backing of the unions and the left (not the hard left, she's no Tankie). They might not get on personally, but then again, plenty of politicians don't get on with their colleague, plenty of CEO's don't get on with their FD etc.
A Labour cabinet with Rayner in it is no different to a Thatcher cabinet with numerous ONT/ Wets in it. It's better for balance and for truth to speak unto power. We have seen where Government ends up when the cabinet is full of lackies.
PlywoodPascal said:
Dagnir said:
Eye candy?!?
She looks like a witch!! A literal ginger crone!
Where's the vomit emoji?
She looks like a witch!! A literal ginger crone!
Where's the vomit emoji?
Dagnir said:
I'd quite like to stop having to defend myself from baseless attacks and let the thread get back on track now 
I'm sure she feels very attacked.
Motherhood and gender are inextricably linked. It isn't bigoted to say that you need to be a female to be a mother. It's a matter of fact.
Being a mother before leaving school would suggest a low level of intelligence to me. A lack of sex education or a willingness to ignore it. Which if the latter, isn't very smart.
Being a mother before leaving school would suggest a low level of intelligence to me. A lack of sex education or a willingness to ignore it. Which if the latter, isn't very smart.
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Motherhood and gender are inextricably linked. It isn't bigoted to say that you need to be a female to be a mother. It's a matter of fact.
Being a mother before leaving school would suggest a low level of intelligence to me. A lack of sex education or a willingness to ignore it. Which if the latter, isn't very smart.
There's a whole host of other circumstances around how a teenager gets pregnant, but you stick to the misogynistic narrative you're cultivating nicely here.Being a mother before leaving school would suggest a low level of intelligence to me. A lack of sex education or a willingness to ignore it. Which if the latter, isn't very smart.
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Motherhood and gender are inextricably linked. It isn't bigoted to say that you need to be a female to be a mother. It's a matter of fact.
Being a mother before leaving school would suggest a low level of intelligence to me. A lack of sex education or a willingness to ignore it. Which if the latter, isn't very smart.
When they say New Zealand is like Britain was in the 1950's, they're not wrong. Being a mother before leaving school would suggest a low level of intelligence to me. A lack of sex education or a willingness to ignore it. Which if the latter, isn't very smart.
One of the brightest people I know, got pregnant as 16. She's now a Silk.
Dagnir said:
If you think the population of this country is as happy, fulfilled, stable, trustworthy, secure, safe, relaxed, prosperous etc. Etc. Etc. (You get the idea)......then you're simply living in a different country.
Focusing on a few modern, hot topics of social inequality (that were in their time far less here than most other countries!) in an attempt to drag down the past to justify your progressive mindset, is completely reductive, wholly misplaced and utterly contemptible.
That seems true enoughFocusing on a few modern, hot topics of social inequality (that were in their time far less here than most other countries!) in an attempt to drag down the past to justify your progressive mindset, is completely reductive, wholly misplaced and utterly contemptible.
People seem to think they are living in more progressive times due to a few social issues as you highlight. There are two main problems with this however. Firstly that they are often imported from America, and American issues do not translate so well to here where the fundamental issue was always class rather than race. Secondly we are slowly transitioning from a mass middle class society to one that is far more stratified by wealth. So economically we are not becoming more progressive and comparing now to the 1990s shows stark differences.
PlywoodPascal said:
who could drive around with a PistonHeads sticker on their car when some of the opinions and language used in the past 5 pages on thread is tolerated on this website?
Looks like there's a bit (a lot) of a cleanup happening of those totally acceptable and definitely not misogynistic comments about Rayner.I feel sorry for the mods it's a thankless task just because people can't keep it respectable.
Evanivitch said:
And Theresa May went to Grammar school and read Geography at Oxford.
But she still couldn't wrap her head around the basics of end to end encryption in 5 years.
I'm sure Theresa May couldn't even take you through Diffie-Hellman, but I wouldn't have any faith that Rayner could even say "end to end encryption".But she still couldn't wrap her head around the basics of end to end encryption in 5 years.
Dagnir said:
PlywoodPascal said:
Dagnir said:
Eye candy?!?
She looks like a witch!! A literal ginger crone!
Where's the vomit emoji?
She looks like a witch!! A literal ginger crone!
Where's the vomit emoji?
Dagnir said:
I'd quite like to stop having to defend myself from baseless attacks and let the thread get back on track now
I'm sure she feels very attacked.
Basically you want to be able to throw out pejoratives but don’t want to be called out on it.
JagLover said:
Dagnir said:
If you think the population of this country is as happy, fulfilled, stable, trustworthy, secure, safe, relaxed, prosperous etc. Etc. Etc. (You get the idea)......then you're simply living in a different country.
Focusing on a few modern, hot topics of social inequality (that were in their time far less here than most other countries!) in an attempt to drag down the past to justify your progressive mindset, is completely reductive, wholly misplaced and utterly contemptible.
That seems true enoughFocusing on a few modern, hot topics of social inequality (that were in their time far less here than most other countries!) in an attempt to drag down the past to justify your progressive mindset, is completely reductive, wholly misplaced and utterly contemptible.
People seem to think they are living in more progressive times due to a few social issues as you highlight. There are two main problems with this however. Firstly that they are often imported from America, and American issues do not translate so well to here where the fundamental issue was always class rather than race. Secondly we are slowly transitioning from a mass middle class society to one that is far more stratified by wealth. So economically we are not becoming more progressive and comparing now to the 1990s shows stark differences.
This has, to an extent, been diverted by vested interests on the left and the right, arguing about whether my hamster can be gender fluid.
I agree regarding your comment about wealth. There is an element of society that is accelerating away and that's partly due to inherited wealth and partly due to opportunities provided to them by way of education and connections, that a good many will never see and never be able to leverage.
chrispmartha said:
You called me a ‘cancer’, so you can stop with the victimhood rubbish.
Basically you want to be able to throw out pejoratives but don’t want to be called out on it.
Pretty much. Dagnir is emblematic of a class of poster who dresses up racism as nostalgia & then gets very bent out of shape when the inevitable self invited pile on occurs. I'm sure there are BNP forums where those views will find a much more receptive audience but if not, then they should really think about the consequences of bringing a knife to a gun fight.Basically you want to be able to throw out pejoratives but don’t want to be called out on it.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:jshell said:
Seeing as the BNP have been mentioned, will the pics of Boris hosting ultra-Nationalists in London and holding up a flag containing Nazi symbology affect the votes for the Tories?
I haven't seen it reported anywhere other than when I noticed Azov was trending on Twitter.Mainstream media IGNORING Boris Johnson hosting Ukraine neo-Nazi unit in parliament
Crashingly bad judgement from Boris, and a PR win for the Russians I'd say. Zelensky is probably double face-palming as we speak. On the plus side, he has even stronger grounds for refuting the Russian claims of there being Nazis in Ukraine, as at the moment all of the Ukrainian Nazis are in London, having a bit of a knees-up with Boris. FFS.
As for affecting votes for the Tories, Boris waving a neo-Nazi flag might bring a few back from Reform.
jshell said:
Seeing as the BNP have been mentioned, will the pics of Boris hosting ultra-Nationalists in London and holding up a flag containing Nazi symbology affect the votes for the Tories?
The UK as a whole prefers to the ignore the Nazi links of some Ukrainian Nationalists. Best to have pure good guys to fight the bad guys (Which Putin most definitely is). JagLover said:
jshell said:
Seeing as the BNP have been mentioned, will the pics of Boris hosting ultra-Nationalists in London and holding up a flag containing Nazi symbology affect the votes for the Tories?
The UK as a whole prefers to the ignore the Nazi links of some Ukrainian Nationalists. Best to have pure good guys to fight the bad guys (Which Putin most definitely is). But, I suppose that Trudeau inviting a literal Waffen SS member into the Canadian parliament didn't do him any damage, so this might not ruffle too many feathers.
How TF did we get here?
Castrol for a knave said:
JagLover said:
Dagnir said:
If you think the population of this country is as happy, fulfilled, stable, trustworthy, secure, safe, relaxed, prosperous etc. Etc. Etc. (You get the idea)......then you're simply living in a different country.
Focusing on a few modern, hot topics of social inequality (that were in their time far less here than most other countries!) in an attempt to drag down the past to justify your progressive mindset, is completely reductive, wholly misplaced and utterly contemptible.
That seems true enoughFocusing on a few modern, hot topics of social inequality (that were in their time far less here than most other countries!) in an attempt to drag down the past to justify your progressive mindset, is completely reductive, wholly misplaced and utterly contemptible.
People seem to think they are living in more progressive times due to a few social issues as you highlight. There are two main problems with this however. Firstly that they are often imported from America, and American issues do not translate so well to here where the fundamental issue was always class rather than race. Secondly we are slowly transitioning from a mass middle class society to one that is far more stratified by wealth. So economically we are not becoming more progressive and comparing now to the 1990s shows stark differences.
This has, to an extent, been diverted by vested interests on the left and the right, arguing about whether my hamster can be gender fluid.
I agree regarding your comment about wealth. There is an element of society that is accelerating away and that's partly due to inherited wealth and partly due to opportunities provided to them by way of education and connections, that a good many will never see and never be able to leverage.
It's all about creating every single distraction they can to divert attention away from the primary issue affecting everyones lives: the systematic transfer of wealth to the wealthiest in society. Keep them too busy raging about migrants and transgender people to think about where the hundreds and hundreds of billions of pounds of Quantative Easing ended up.
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