Discussion
Doubt we'll be seeing this place in the Thomas Cook brochures for a long time yet
US Government said:
he security situation in Libya remains unpredictable and unstable. The Libyan government has not been able to adequately build its military and police forces and improve security following the 2011 revolution. Many military-grade weapons remain in the hands of private individuals, including antiaircraft weapons that may be used against civilian aviation.
essayer said:
Doubt we'll be seeing this place in the Thomas Cook brochures for a long time yet
I doubt it, no. It is a shame though as there is a lot to see and the people are lovely. In Gdaffi days it was also a surprisingly liberal place.US Government said:
he security situation in Libya remains unpredictable and unstable. The Libyan government has not been able to adequately build its military and police forces and improve security following the 2011 revolution. Many military-grade weapons remain in the hands of private individuals, including antiaircraft weapons that may be used against civilian aviation.
andy_s said:
Well, quite ironically, it seems that Morocco, Tunisia & Egypt have ended up with Islamic based parties being voted in or given a high position, Libya will probably go the same way. I see that Algeria, still secular but with an ever-present AQIM presence, is the odd man out in the Sahal now, which on the one hand may give AQIM impetous and support to continue or, as some analysts think, AQ as a franchise is being broken up not by war but by votes, i.e. Islamic parties gain control (moderate or otherwise) and as this is in line with AQ goals they have little justification to continue their high-risk/cost strategy within the region in its present form.
If you look at the secondary Sahal nations - Chad, Mauritania, Mali, Niger - they may suffer the rebound of Libya more than others as people from there flood back to their native lands, there is a mass of weaponery floating about at the moment, a mass of displaced people and nowhere as good as Libya to live (for them at least). Efforts to control regional security are always hampered by the poor Algerian/Moroccan relationship over the Western Sahara issue so cooperation is non-existant. The efforts of the US to gain a foothold in the region have been a notional success but on a very small scale, as they are untrustworthy colonising infidel dogs (tongue in cheek).
It'll be interesting to see how the pieces will all come together.
Great post Andy. The situation with Algeria is that the population will never trust an Islamic party ever again.The chances of AQIM gaining grounds in the country are close to nil. Algeria has been through a 'dark decade' in the 90s with Islamic terrorism at the hands of the GIA (The armed wing of the FILS) after the army cancelled the democratic elections as it became clear that the Islamist party FILS were gonna gain power in a land slide victory through fair elections. The Islamists' response was to wage war against the government and all their supporters and over 200000 civilians died as a result of terror, bombs, executions, butchery, beheading etc... The population was traumatised as a result of decade of extreme violence and uncertainty.If you look at the secondary Sahal nations - Chad, Mauritania, Mali, Niger - they may suffer the rebound of Libya more than others as people from there flood back to their native lands, there is a mass of weaponery floating about at the moment, a mass of displaced people and nowhere as good as Libya to live (for them at least). Efforts to control regional security are always hampered by the poor Algerian/Moroccan relationship over the Western Sahara issue so cooperation is non-existant. The efforts of the US to gain a foothold in the region have been a notional success but on a very small scale, as they are untrustworthy colonising infidel dogs (tongue in cheek).
It'll be interesting to see how the pieces will all come together.
The latest elections in Algeria indicates not only the army is still in charge but the Algerians voted for their half brain dead wheel chair bound president Bouteflika to be re elected for the 4th time running (after changes to the constitution) whom they are grateful to for getting them out of 10 years of civil war.
In other words, the message is loud and clear to any Islamist party: Never again!
Edited by allnighter on Monday 28th July 13:57
All going swimmingly well in Libya............................not.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/23/uk-libya-...
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/23/uk-libya-...
IanMorewood said:
Say what you like about despots but they tend to be able to hold dysfunctional countries together for years.
I bet Obama/CMD are wishing that Saddam/Gaddafi/Mubarak were still in power. And will they now try their damnest to topple Assad - he who complained about these IS terrorists 2 years ago.And why they leave KSA alone perhaps. Topple Putin, and what will follow?
Replace the one party state in China and then.....
" Unidentified jets attack targets in Tripoli
Air strikes on Libyan capital come after rebels seize main airport from rivals while Egypt denies role in attacks."
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/u...
Air strikes on Libyan capital come after rebels seize main airport from rivals while Egypt denies role in attacks."
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/u...
Mermaid said:
Topple Putin, and what will follow?
'Mad Vlad' Zhirinovsky, or perhaps someone who makes him seem like a gay-friendly feminist anti-racist campaigning paid-up liberal vegetarian. And yet that is what the US and EU are attempting to do by force-feeding Putin s
t in his own backyard . . . I must have a rummage and find the letter from my MP thanking me for my letter opposing military action in Syria, but explaining why I was wrong and bombing Assad would turn out hunky-dory in the end. On the other hand, maybe not, might get that little-bit-of-sick-one's-mouth feeling.
Octoposse said:
Mermaid said:
Topple Putin, and what will follow?
'Mad Vlad' Zhirinovsky, or perhaps someone who makes him seem like a gay-friendly feminist anti-racist campaigning paid-up liberal vegetarian. And yet that is what the US and EU are attempting to do by force-feeding Putin st in his own backyard . . . I must have a rummage and find the letter from my MP thanking me for my letter opposing military action in Syria, but explaining why I was wrong and bombing Assad would turn out hunky-dory in the end. On the other hand, maybe not, might get that little-bit-of-sick-one's-mouth feeling.
Syria - our leader & his cohorts were wrong (ditto Syria, Libya & "Death of Princess" SA) - Policy change here is more relevant.
Good work from Dave & Hague.
"But Habib Amin, Libya's culture minister, said the international community needed to provide more logistical and diplomatic support to his government.
"The international community until now has not been serious about helping the government, the legal authority in Libya, and the Libyan people," said Amin after discussing the Libyan civil war with Egyptian officials in Cairo.
"Libya is now in a civil war. And the international community is just watching. Tripoli is half-destroyed. Half of Benghazi is destroyed. What does the world want? To see the whole country destroyed?"
In an interview with the Guardian on Monday, Libya's foreign minister, Mohamed Abdel Aziz, claimed his government did not want foreign military intervention.
But he said Libya's government, which has fled to the eastern city of Tobruk, is now unable to safeguard key state institutions by itself, and called for "arms and any other equipment … that could ensure the possibility of protecting our strategic sites, our oil fields, our airports" against militias "who are now stronger than the government itself, and who do now possess arms even more sophisticated than the government itself."
"But Habib Amin, Libya's culture minister, said the international community needed to provide more logistical and diplomatic support to his government.
"The international community until now has not been serious about helping the government, the legal authority in Libya, and the Libyan people," said Amin after discussing the Libyan civil war with Egyptian officials in Cairo.
"Libya is now in a civil war. And the international community is just watching. Tripoli is half-destroyed. Half of Benghazi is destroyed. What does the world want? To see the whole country destroyed?"
In an interview with the Guardian on Monday, Libya's foreign minister, Mohamed Abdel Aziz, claimed his government did not want foreign military intervention.
But he said Libya's government, which has fled to the eastern city of Tobruk, is now unable to safeguard key state institutions by itself, and called for "arms and any other equipment … that could ensure the possibility of protecting our strategic sites, our oil fields, our airports" against militias "who are now stronger than the government itself, and who do now possess arms even more sophisticated than the government itself."
Fittster said:
Good work from Dave & Hague.
"But Habib Amin, Libya's culture minister, said the international community needed to provide more logistical and diplomatic support to his government.
"The international community until now has not been serious about helping the government, the legal authority in Libya, and the Libyan people," said Amin after discussing the Libyan civil war with Egyptian officials in Cairo.
"Libya is now in a civil war. And the international community is just watching. Tripoli is half-destroyed. Half of Benghazi is destroyed. What does the world want? To see the whole country destroyed?"
In an interview with the Guardian on Monday, Libya's foreign minister, Mohamed Abdel Aziz, claimed his government did not want foreign military intervention.
But he said Libya's government, which has fled to the eastern city of Tobruk, is now unable to safeguard key state institutions by itself, and called for "arms and any other equipment … that could ensure the possibility of protecting our strategic sites, our oil fields, our airports" against militias "who are now stronger than the government itself, and who do now possess arms even more sophisticated than the government itself."
Wonderful, so now we will shortly have ISIL. So who benefits from all this, arms and oil companies? I wish it actually was a conspiracy as it's alternative "blind stupidity" is far more frightening."But Habib Amin, Libya's culture minister, said the international community needed to provide more logistical and diplomatic support to his government.
"The international community until now has not been serious about helping the government, the legal authority in Libya, and the Libyan people," said Amin after discussing the Libyan civil war with Egyptian officials in Cairo.
"Libya is now in a civil war. And the international community is just watching. Tripoli is half-destroyed. Half of Benghazi is destroyed. What does the world want? To see the whole country destroyed?"
In an interview with the Guardian on Monday, Libya's foreign minister, Mohamed Abdel Aziz, claimed his government did not want foreign military intervention.
But he said Libya's government, which has fled to the eastern city of Tobruk, is now unable to safeguard key state institutions by itself, and called for "arms and any other equipment … that could ensure the possibility of protecting our strategic sites, our oil fields, our airports" against militias "who are now stronger than the government itself, and who do now possess arms even more sophisticated than the government itself."
Get ready for some multi million pound payouts.
bbc said:
A Libyan man can sue the UK government over claims he was illegally sent back to Libya and tortured, the Court of Appeal has ruled.
Abdul-Hakim Belhaj alleges that former Foreign Secretary Jack Straw and MI6 were complicit in arranging his and his wife's rendition from China in 2004.
The High Court had ruled the case could not be heard in the UK courts because it could damage foreign relationships.
But appeal judges said the claims were so "grave" a court should hear them.
Mr Belhaj, now a politician in Libya, said: "My wife and I are gratified by the judges' decision to give us our day in court," adding their alleged torture was "as fresh and as painful for us as if it happened yesterday".
His lawyer Sapna Malik said it was "very significant step forward" to the case being heard in England.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29831112Abdul-Hakim Belhaj alleges that former Foreign Secretary Jack Straw and MI6 were complicit in arranging his and his wife's rendition from China in 2004.
The High Court had ruled the case could not be heard in the UK courts because it could damage foreign relationships.
But appeal judges said the claims were so "grave" a court should hear them.
Mr Belhaj, now a politician in Libya, said: "My wife and I are gratified by the judges' decision to give us our day in court," adding their alleged torture was "as fresh and as painful for us as if it happened yesterday".
His lawyer Sapna Malik said it was "very significant step forward" to the case being heard in England.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11196...
Libyan soldiers here for training went around assaulting women.
Libyan soldiers here for training went around assaulting women.
Pesty said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11196...
Libyan soldiers here for training went around assaulting women.
The Royston branch of Tescos had problems with gangs of em coming in for booze and behaving like a bunch of Libyan soldiers here for training went around assaulting women.
s2013BRM said:
Pesty said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11196...
Libyan soldiers here for training went around assaulting women.
The Royston branch of Tescos had problems with gangs of em coming in for booze and behaving like a bunch of Libyan soldiers here for training went around assaulting women.
s
Jimbeaux said:
2013BRM said:
Pesty said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11196...
Libyan soldiers here for training went around assaulting women.
The Royston branch of Tescos had problems with gangs of em coming in for booze and behaving like a bunch of Libyan soldiers here for training went around assaulting women.
sMermaid said:
Jimbeaux said:
2013BRM said:
Pesty said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11196...
Libyan soldiers here for training went around assaulting women.
The Royston branch of Tescos had problems with gangs of em coming in for booze and behaving like a bunch of Libyan soldiers here for training went around assaulting women.
sGassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff