How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 5)

[anonymous-user]

Raab has cancelled the planned trip to Brussels tonight to meet Barnier.

[amgmcqueen]

psi310398 said:

SeeFive said:

Not the case. Speech will happen after cabinet. No press conference, Hurd mis-spoke apparently...

Correct - she will speak on the steps of Downing Street later but go back to the Commons, apparently.

Resignation speech?

[alfie2244]

Even if the UK gets a deal through parliament etc Will the rEU27 sign off the agreement?..

[Einion Yrth]

alfie2244 said:

Even if the UK gets a deal through parliament etc Will the rEU27 sign off the agreement?..

A deal that gets them our money, our fish and our perpetual servitude? Do you need to ask?

[SpeckledJim]

I think there's time and political space for another proposal.

It looks extremely likely at the moment that this one is getting binned.

So May goes back to Brussels and says 'we've got a couple of weeks to offer something parliament will agree to, or it's all over'.

Then in true EU 'if it wasn't for the last minute, nothing would get done' style, we conjure up an acceptable arrangement.

Or not?

[Mojooo]

If TM pushes on with the deal when is the vote in Parliament? I can imagien the agony of this dragging on for weeks.

[Rick101]

I think shes legged it out the back door.

[don'tbesilly]

alfie2244 said:

Even if the UK gets a deal through parliament etc Will the rEU27 sign off the agreement?..

You might want to read the below, and base the answer to your question on just what the EU are thinking right now,


Sabine Weyand has briefed EU27 ambassadors in the past few days that the “temporary” customs union May is signing up to will in fact form the basis for Britain’s long-term relationship with Europe.

EU officials tell POLITICO they believe the backstop deal “will set a precedent” for future relations, and that Brussels does not intend to allow Britain to loosen this relationship as part of a future trade deal.

It’s precisely what Tory Brexiteers have been warning about, and the timing could hardly be worse for Theresa May.
The Times front page carries the same stark warning from Brussels, but with the added drama of an actual leaked note of Weyand’s comments at the meeting.

She apparently told those present that by agreeing to EU rules and regulations as part of the “level playing field” arrangement, Britain has ceded significant power to Brussels.

“We should be in the best negotiation position for the future relationship,” Weyand merrily told those present.
“This requires the customs union as the basis of the future relationship.

They [Britain] must align their rules, but the EU will retain all the controls.

They apply the same rules. U.K. wants a lot more from future relationship, so EU retains its leverage.” The note adds that Britain “would have to swallow a link between access to products and fisheries in future agreements.” It will go down like a cup of cold sick on the Tory backbenches.

[alfie2244]

Einion Yrth said:

alfie2244 said:

Even if the UK gets a deal through parliament etc Will the rEU27 sign off the agreement?..

A deal that gets them our money, our fish and our perpetual servitude? Do you need to ask?

Fair points indeed..although not what she said today in PMQ's.

FWIW 500 pages of legalise will take more than a few hours time to analyse and unpick in detail IMO, so how the cabinet or anyone else can agree to it now is beyond me.

ooop she's on

[Davislove]

just heard they've approved it

[amgmcqueen]

Absolutely disgraceful!

[Einion Yrth]

Cabinet? Gutless pricks!

[psi310398]

Davislove said:

just heard they've approved it

And on to the 1922 Committee...

I wonder whether there'll be Cabinet resignations after the fact, like last time.

[bitchstewie]

Interesting that she mentioned "no Brexit it all" as an option.

Slip of the tongue perhaps but they just pointed that out on the news.

[p1stonhead]

amgmcqueen said:

Absolutely disgraceful!

Why is it disgraceful? You haven’t even seen it.

[carinatauk]

The wording she used suggested that it was approved on a majority, there may be resignations ahead

[p1stonhead]

carinatauk said:

The wording she used suggested that it was approved on a majority, there may be resignations ahead

Her words were ‘collective decision’ to back it.

She just have chosen those words very carefully.

[Canute]

p1stonhead said:

Why is it disgraceful? You haven’t even seen it.

Or maybe is in the Cabinet?




Filed under....

[Mojooo]

It wont get pas Parliament - I think thats obvious from the number of people whinging about it who havent even read the deal.

As I said, it will come down to no deal or 2nd referndum because that is what everyone wants (one or the other).

[alfie2244]

So the cabinet has read, analysed and digested 500 pages of a complicated, technical legal document and made a decision