UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[mrpurple]

never found NF nasty, thin skinned or snarling......if anybody deserves a holiday NF does..... direction of party.....100% out of EU.

[mrpurple]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Did you vote for him or UKIP?............I did and could not care one jot about his, or any other EUMP's attendance / voting record in Brussels / Strasbourg.

So he isn't letting "US" down.... you because you never voted for him and me because I am 100% happy with what he does/ or does not decide to vote on....and if that winds you up then that is fine by me also

[TKF]

mrpurple said:

Did you vote for him or UKIP?............I did and could not care one jot about his, or any other EUMP's attendance / voting record in Brussels / Strasbourg.

So he isn't letting "US" down.... you because you never voted for him and me because I am 100% happy with what he does/ or does not decide to vote on....and if that winds you up then that is fine by me also

Kippers really seem to struggle with this concept.

MPs and MEPs don't represent only the people who voted for them. They represent ALL the people in their constituency. Farage is a MEP representing the South East of England. He does absolutely naff all for his constituents.

If someone has a problem that they want to take their MP they don't ask who you voted for and only bother responding if you voted for the other guy.

[eharding]

TKF said:

mrpurple said:

Did you vote for him or UKIP?............I did and could not care one jot about his, or any other EUMP's attendance / voting record in Brussels / Strasbourg.

So he isn't letting "US" down.... you because you never voted for him and me because I am 100% happy with what he does/ or does not decide to vote on....and if that winds you up then that is fine by me also

Kippers really seem to struggle with this concept.

MPs and MEPs don't represent only the people who voted for them. They represent ALL the people in their constituency. Farage is a MEP representing the South East of England. He does absolutely naff all for his constituents.

If someone has a problem that they want to take their MP they don't ask who you voted for and only bother responding if you voted for the other guy.

Odd, isn't it? - the 'kippers on one hand are banging on about PR being a much fairer method of representation of the electorate's wishes, but regard the UKIP MEPs elected under PR as purely there to represent the wishes of UKIP voters, to the exclusion of all others.

[jjlynn27]

mrpurple said:

jjlynn27 said:

I guess downing pints of lager is more attractive proposition than actually doing some work.

Ukippers will, no doubt, pick up one of three options, or their variants;

a) But, it was all part of the master plan.
b) The EU is against us so there was no point in showing up
c) dog ate relevant papers and beer was on BOGOF.

Blah blah blah blah.... god you really are a boring barsteward.

The post was very relevant reply on issues of fisheries. You were complaining that 'anti-ukipers' don't engage in issues. You are trying to stifle anything that is not about how Nigel is great.

[mrpurple]

eharding said:

TKF said:

mrpurple said:

Did you vote for him or UKIP?............I did and could not care one jot about his, or any other EUMP's attendance / voting record in Brussels / Strasbourg.

So he isn't letting "US" down.... you because you never voted for him and me because I am 100% happy with what he does/ or does not decide to vote on....and if that winds you up then that is fine by me also

Kippers really seem to struggle with this concept.

MPs and MEPs don't represent only the people who voted for them. They represent ALL the people in their constituency. Farage is a MEP representing the South East of England. He does absolutely naff all for his constituents.

If someone has a problem that they want to take their MP they don't ask who you voted for and only bother responding if you voted for the other guy.

Odd, isn't it? - the 'kippers on one hand are banging on about PR being a much fairer method of representation of the electorate's wishes, but regard the UKIP MEPs elected under PR as purely there to represent the wishes of UKIP voters, to the exclusion of all others.

Not odd at all...those who voted for him in his region would have known his stance on the EU...given that he was elected I would assume he obtained a majority...that being the case he is representing the majority who by inference voted UKIP and not the minority that you would like him to............please direct me to any post I have made re PR..... We all have to abide by the electoral system (domestic or EU) whether we like it or not...

[mrpurple]

jjlynn27 said:

mrpurple said:

jjlynn27 said:

I guess downing pints of lager is more attractive proposition than actually doing some work.

Ukippers will, no doubt, pick up one of three options, or their variants;

a) But, it was all part of the master plan.
b) The EU is against us so there was no point in showing up
c) dog ate relevant papers and beer was on BOGOF.

Blah blah blah blah.... god you really are a boring barsteward.

The post was very relevant reply on issues of fisheries. You were complaining that 'anti-ukipers' don't engage in issues. You are trying to stifle anything that is not about how Nigel is great.

Silly me I forgot about the dogfish (Rock Salmon) cooked in beer and wrapped in newspaper..... BOGOF???? must take the missus out for a meal before it ends.

[eharding]

mrpurple said:

eharding said:

TKF said:

mrpurple said:

Did you vote for him or UKIP?............I did and could not care one jot about his, or any other EUMP's attendance / voting record in Brussels / Strasbourg.

So he isn't letting "US" down.... you because you never voted for him and me because I am 100% happy with what he does/ or does not decide to vote on....and if that winds you up then that is fine by me also

Kippers really seem to struggle with this concept.

MPs and MEPs don't represent only the people who voted for them. They represent ALL the people in their constituency. Farage is a MEP representing the South East of England. He does absolutely naff all for his constituents.

If someone has a problem that they want to take their MP they don't ask who you voted for and only bother responding if you voted for the other guy.

Odd, isn't it? - the 'kippers on one hand are banging on about PR being a much fairer method of representation of the electorate's wishes, but regard the UKIP MEPs elected under PR as purely there to represent the wishes of UKIP voters, to the exclusion of all others.

Not odd at all...those who voted for him in his region would have known his stance on the EU...given that he was elected I would assume he obtained a majority...that being the case he is representing the majority who by inference voted UKIP and not the minority that you would like him to............please direct me to any post I have made re PR..... We all have to abide by the electoral system (domestic or EU) whether we like it or not...

MPs, and MEPs, are elected to represent *all* of the members of the relevant constituency, whether or not they voted for the particular elected member, or indeed if they even voted at all.

The fact you're unable to grasp this basic tenet of representative democracy speaks volumes.

[mrpurple]

eharding said:

mrpurple said:

eharding said:

TKF said:

mrpurple said:

Did you vote for him or UKIP?............I did and could not care one jot about his, or any other EUMP's attendance / voting record in Brussels / Strasbourg.

So he isn't letting "US" down.... you because you never voted for him and me because I am 100% happy with what he does/ or does not decide to vote on....and if that winds you up then that is fine by me also

Kippers really seem to struggle with this concept.

MPs and MEPs don't represent only the people who voted for them. They represent ALL the people in their constituency. Farage is a MEP representing the South East of England. He does absolutely naff all for his constituents.

If someone has a problem that they want to take their MP they don't ask who you voted for and only bother responding if you voted for the other guy.

Odd, isn't it? - the 'kippers on one hand are banging on about PR being a much fairer method of representation of the electorate's wishes, but regard the UKIP MEPs elected under PR as purely there to represent the wishes of UKIP voters, to the exclusion of all others.

Not odd at all...those who voted for him in his region would have known his stance on the EU...given that he was elected I would assume he obtained a majority...that being the case he is representing the majority who by inference voted UKIP and not the minority that you would like him to............please direct me to any post I have made re PR..... We all have to abide by the electoral system (domestic or EU) whether we like it or not...

MPs, and MEPs, are elected to represent *all* of the members of the relevant constituency, whether or not they voted for the particular elected member, or indeed if they even voted at all.

The fact you're unable to grasp this basic tenet of representative democracy speaks volumes.

Sorry but I am genuinely struggling to understand your POV.

He can't represent 2 sides of an argument...defence & prosecution if you like..so if more people want him to play silly buggers with the EU voting, attendance etc than want him to actually fully represent them in the EU.....then what justification would there be for him representing the minority whilst ignoring the majority?

eta those that didn't vote at all don't have any right to expect him to represent them in any way IMO.

ps this is what I voted for him / UKIP to do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVNYR9CxWmY

Edited by mrpurple on Wednesday 20th May 12:09

[eharding]

mrpurple said:

Sorry but I am genuinely struggling to understand your POV.

That's clear to see.

mrpurple said:

He can't represent 2 sides of an argument...defence & prosecution if you like..so if more people want him to play silly buggers with the EU voting, attendance etc than want him to actually fully represent them in the EU.....then what justification would there be for him representing the minority whilst ignoring the majority?

eta those that didn't vote at all don't have any right to expect him to represent them in any way IMO.

What you're failing to grasp is that the onus is on the elected representative to represent the interests of his or her *entire* constituency. I can't make the concept any easier for you to take on board, at least not without the aid of finger puppets.

Now, there may be matters of policy on issues where the particular representative may have views at odds with some - and from time to time a majority - of his or her constituents, and vote in whichever chamber they've been elected to accordingly - but that isn't the point. All the members of the constituency must have fair and unfettered access to express their approval or disapproval of their representative's actions, and at regular intervals hold them to account at the ballot box.

Your assertion then, that only those who voted for a UKIP MEP should have the right to hold them to account is, clearly, ill-informed bunkum.

[mrpurple]

eharding said:

mrpurple said:

Sorry but I am genuinely struggling to understand your POV.

That's clear to see.

mrpurple said:

He can't represent 2 sides of an argument...defence & prosecution if you like..so if more people want him to play silly buggers with the EU voting, attendance etc than want him to actually fully represent them in the EU.....then what justification would there be for him representing the minority whilst ignoring the majority?

eta those that didn't vote at all don't have any right to expect him to represent them in any way IMO.

What you're failing to grasp is that the onus is on the elected representative to represent the interests of his or her *entire* constituency. I can't make the concept any easier for you to take on board, at least not without the aid of finger puppets.

Now, there may be matters of policy on issues where the particular representative may have views at odds with some - and from time to time a majority - of his or her constituents, and vote in whichever chamber they've been elected to accordingly - but that isn't the point. All the members of the constituency must have fair and unfettered access to express their approval or disapproval of their representative's actions, and at regular intervals hold them to account at the ballot box.

Your assertion then, that only those who voted for a UKIP MEP should have the right to hold them to account is, clearly, ill-informed bunkum.

Nope I'm still not getting it.....silly old kipper me

[eharding]

mrpurple said:

Nope I'm still not getting it.....silly old kipper me

I'll see if I can find the finger puppets.

[mrpurple]

eharding said:

mrpurple said:

Nope I'm still not getting it.....silly old kipper me

I'll see if I can find the finger puppets.

Ah bless you for being so patient with me......have a look behind the fridge 1st..that's where most things get lost in this house.

[TKF]

mrpurple said:

those that didn't vote at all don't have any right to expect him to represent them in any way IMO.

Thankfully your opinion is not the reality of the situation for MEPs or MPs.

[mrpurple]

TKF said:

mrpurple said:

those that didn't vote at all don't have any right to expect him to represent them in any way IMO.

Thankfully your opinion is not the reality of the situation for MEPs or MPs.

Bizarre.......I voted UKIP because they are anti EU..............you didn't........UKIP play silly buggers in the EU which I like...you don't..........but you say UKIP MEP's should represent you not me. Given the fact you did not vote for him why would NF do what you want him to do and then lose my vote? Confused? you will be :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHgDu5_1m70

[RYH64E]

mrpurple said:

Bizarre.......I voted UKIP because they are anti EU..............you didn't........UKIP play silly buggers in the EU which I like...you don't..........but you say UKIP MEP's should represent you not me. Given the fact you did not vote for him why would NF do what you want him to do and then lose my vote? Confused? you will be :

MPs and MEPs are meant to represent all of their constituents, not just those who voted for them. After all, we all pay their wages (providing we're taxpayers), not just UKIP voters.

[eharding]

RYH64E said:

mrpurple said:

Bizarre.......I voted UKIP because they are anti EU..............you didn't........UKIP play silly buggers in the EU which I like...you don't..........but you say UKIP MEP's should represent you not me. Given the fact you did not vote for him why would NF do what you want him to do and then lose my vote? Confused? you will be :

MPs and MEPs are meant to represent all of their constituents, not just those who voted for them. After all, we all pay their wages (providing we're taxpayers), not just UKIP voters.

Have a go at trying to explain the concept to him with these. I'm busy this afternoon.

[mrpurple]

RYH64E said:

mrpurple said:

Bizarre.......I voted UKIP because they are anti EU..............you didn't........UKIP play silly buggers in the EU which I like...you don't..........but you say UKIP MEP's should represent you not me. Given the fact you did not vote for him why would NF do what you want him to do and then lose my vote? Confused? you will be :

MPs and MEPs are meant to represent all of their constituents, not just those who voted for them. After all, we all pay their wages (providing we're taxpayers), not just UKIP voters.

How can they do that?

You = do a proper job in the EU - attend, vote, negotiate.

Me = play silly buggers, wind them up, show them for what they are.


He can't do both.

this will do me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31_QPB-hZ_I

[PRTVR]

RYH64E said:

mrpurple said:

Bizarre.......I voted UKIP because they are anti EU..............you didn't........UKIP play silly buggers in the EU which I like...you don't..........but you say UKIP MEP's should represent you not me. Given the fact you did not vote for him why would NF do what you want him to do and then lose my vote? Confused? you will be :

MPs and MEPs are meant to represent all of their constituents, not just those who voted for them. After all, we all pay their wages (providing we're taxpayers), not just UKIP voters.

But the elected representative was voted in with a majority, these people who voted, voted to have nothing to do with the EU, are you saying the minority should have a say over the majority ? That does not sound very democratic, if you want a say get your person elected, it really is that simple.

[RYH64E]

mrpurple said:

How can they do that?

You = do a proper job in the EU - attend, vote, negotiate.

Me = play silly buggers, wind them up, show them for what they are.


He can't do both.

this will do me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31_QPB-hZ_I

If they can't do the job they're paid to do they shouldn't be there. They're on the public payroll, if they want to piss around they should do so in their own time and not on the taxpayer's dime.