How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 5)
Discussion
Mojooo said:
It wont get pas Parliament - I think thats obvious from the number of people whinging about it who havent even read the deal.
As I said, it will come down to no deal or 2nd referndum because that is what everyone wants (one or the other).
Perhaps a clever move, bring the UK to a situation where second referendum or no-deal are the last two choices, most probably going for second ref given the utter mess this process has been and back as you were. As I said, it will come down to no deal or 2nd referndum because that is what everyone wants (one or the other).
PurpleMoonlight said:
JagLover said:
A mechanism that is not under the control of the UK government.
Hence "vassalage" we are bound to the EU in a relationship we cannot legally escape from, and where we have to accept any rules, in the areas agreed, the EU decides to impose.
It is in control. Parliament will or will not chose to sign up to it. Isn't that the control you wanted?Hence "vassalage" we are bound to the EU in a relationship we cannot legally escape from, and where we have to accept any rules, in the areas agreed, the EU decides to impose.
Until they found out what that means
Murph7355 said:
mx5nut said:
Why can't Brexiters get behind May's deal and try to make a success of it instead of talking our democratically elected government down? We survived two world wars, we can survive this. We just need a bit more positive thinking instead of the Brexiter doom and gloom!
Because if May' s deal is anything like Chequers - and I cannot see it being anything better than that, unless even the EU recognise it's a piss take that has no chance of success - then in any material sense it is not leaving the EU.loafer123 said:
Let’s see what the actual document says, and then we can make an informed judgement.
Can't we just keep spouting buzzwords and getting angry at politicians, demanding change but not knowing what that change actually involves?To keep things interesting, we could start shouting "vassalage" instead of "sovereignty", with the same insight in to what the word actually means.
mx5nut said:
Murph7355 said:
mx5nut said:
Why can't Brexiters get behind May's deal and try to make a success of it instead of talking our democratically elected government down? We survived two world wars, we can survive this. We just need a bit more positive thinking instead of the Brexiter doom and gloom!
Because if May' s deal is anything like Chequers - and I cannot see it being anything better than that, unless even the EU recognise it's a piss take that has no chance of success - then in any material sense it is not leaving the EU.It's not reasonable for everyone to try to get the best version of 'out' we can?
p1stonhead said:
Vanden Saab said:
mx5nut said:
Why can't Brexiters get behind May's deal and try to make a success of it instead of talking our democratically elected government down? We survived two world wars, we can survive this. We just need a bit more positive thinking instead of the Brexiter doom and gloom!
We understand why you seem to happy with chequers what you don't seem to realise is that everybody else would be disappointed if they bought what they thought was a Ferrari only to be given this...
This sums up brexiters to a tee.
They voted yes to ‘any car other than what we have now’ and assumed they were getting a Ferrari....
Though they never even managed to agree between themselves that it was actually a Ferrari they wanted!
SpeckledJim said:
mx5nut said:
Murph7355 said:
mx5nut said:
Why can't Brexiters get behind May's deal and try to make a success of it instead of talking our democratically elected government down? We survived two world wars, we can survive this. We just need a bit more positive thinking instead of the Brexiter doom and gloom!
Because if May' s deal is anything like Chequers - and I cannot see it being anything better than that, unless even the EU recognise it's a piss take that has no chance of success - then in any material sense it is not leaving the EU.It's not reasonable for everyone to try to get the best version of 'out' we can?
SpeckledJim said:
So is No Deal. Glad we've finally got past 'let's just stay in' with you now.
It's not reasonable for everyone to try to get the best version of 'out' we can?
That is what the democratically elected government believes they have done.It's not reasonable for everyone to try to get the best version of 'out' we can?
And the usual suspects can't help talking them down instead of getting behind them to make a success of it.
mx5nut said:
SpeckledJim said:
So is No Deal. Glad we've finally got past 'let's just stay in' with you now.
It's not reasonable for everyone to try to get the best version of 'out' we can?
That is what the democratically elected government believes they have done.It's not reasonable for everyone to try to get the best version of 'out' we can?
mx5nut said:
That is what the democratically elected government believes they have done.
And the usual suspects can't help talking them down instead of getting behind them to make a success of it.
The difficulty is that of course, people who voted leave need to own this - they voted for it and they probably mostly voted for Teresa May.And the usual suspects can't help talking them down instead of getting behind them to make a success of it.
However, I can understand their point about just how hard did she try? She almost sounded apologetic giving that speech.
It's difficult, the child in me wants to state the obvious which is "If you voted leave you did this" but at the same time I find it very odd that there are people who seem to want to see things go badly simply so they can say "I told you so".
It shouldn't matter which way you voted, a bad deal is a bad deal and whilst we don't know the details yet, there seems to be a distinct lack of positivity about whatever it is on any side.
Interesting times ahead.
Canute said:
Mojooo said:
It wont get pas Parliament - I think thats obvious from the number of people whinging about it who havent even read the deal.
As I said, it will come down to no deal or 2nd referndum because that is what everyone wants (one or the other).
Perhaps a clever move, bring the UK to a situation where second referendum or no-deal are the last two choices, most probably going for second ref given the utter mess this process has been and back as you were. As I said, it will come down to no deal or 2nd referndum because that is what everyone wants (one or the other).
mx5nut said:
Murph7355 said:
mx5nut said:
Why can't Brexiters get behind May's deal and try to make a success of it instead of talking our democratically elected government down? We survived two world wars, we can survive this. We just need a bit more positive thinking instead of the Brexiter doom and gloom!
Because if May' s deal is anything like Chequers - and I cannot see it being anything better than that, unless even the EU recognise it's a piss take that has no chance of success - then in any material sense it is not leaving the EU.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff