UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[mrpurple]

eharding said:

RYH64E said:

mrpurple said:

Bizarre.......I voted UKIP because they are anti EU..............you didn't........UKIP play silly buggers in the EU which I like...you don't..........but you say UKIP MEP's should represent you not me. Given the fact you did not vote for him why would NF do what you want him to do and then lose my vote? Confused? you will be :

MPs and MEPs are meant to represent all of their constituents, not just those who voted for them. After all, we all pay their wages (providing we're taxpayers), not just UKIP voters.

Have a go at trying to explain the concept to him with these. I'm busy this afternoon.

Must be very clean behind your fridge...........Being a retired half colonel I have plenty of time on my hands so any time you are free will do.

[mrpurple]

PRTVR said:

RYH64E said:

mrpurple said:

Bizarre.......I voted UKIP because they are anti EU..............you didn't........UKIP play silly buggers in the EU which I like...you don't..........but you say UKIP MEP's should represent you not me. Given the fact you did not vote for him why would NF do what you want him to do and then lose my vote? Confused? you will be :

MPs and MEPs are meant to represent all of their constituents, not just those who voted for them. After all, we all pay their wages (providing we're taxpayers), not just UKIP voters.

But the elected representative was voted in with a majority, these people who voted, voted to have nothing to do with the EU, are you saying the minority should have a say over the majority ? That does not sound very democratic, if you want a say get your person elected, it really is that simple.

Phew i thought it was just me!!!!!!!!!!

[mrpurple]

RYH64E said:

mrpurple said:

How can they do that?

You = do a proper job in the EU - attend, vote, negotiate.

Me = play silly buggers, wind them up, show them for what they are.


He can't do both.

this will do me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31_QPB-hZ_I

If they can't do the job they're paid to do they shouldn't be there. They're on the public payroll, if they want to piss around they should do so in their own time and not on the taxpayer's dime.

Intentions were perfectly clear before the last elections ergo blame those that didn't bother to vote then and not those that voted him in.........i.e. don't vote = get UKIP.

[MGJohn]

PRTVR said:

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are you saying the minority should have a say over the majority ? That does not sound very democratic

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That's the way the FPTP democratic system has been working since the year dot.

[Mojocvh]

zygalski said:

Troubling times indeed for our PH kipper friends.
I'm not going to gloat. Instead, may I offer my deepest sympathies.

Even better don't bother

[Zod]

mrpurple said:

Bizarre.......I voted UKIP because they are anti EU..............you didn't........UKIP play silly buggers in the EU which I like...you don't..........but you say UKIP MEP's should represent you not me. Given the fact you did not vote for him why would NF do what you want him to do and then lose my vote? Confused? you will be :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHgDu5_1m70

You are seriously confused. If a constituent who did not vote UKIP has a concern that is related to a European institution, the UKIP MEP should, if it is a valid concern, contact the institution on the constituent's behalf, just as my local Labour MP presumably would for me if I had an issue with a Government department.

[mrpurple]

Zod said:

mrpurple said:

Bizarre.......I voted UKIP because they are anti EU..............you didn't........UKIP play silly buggers in the EU which I like...you don't..........but you say UKIP MEP's should represent you not me. Given the fact you did not vote for him why would NF do what you want him to do and then lose my vote? Confused? you will be :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHgDu5_1m70

You are seriously confused. If a constituent who did not vote UKIP has a concern that is related to a European institution, the UKIP MEP should, if it is a valid concern, contact the institution on the constituent's behalf, just as my local Labour MP presumably would for me if I had an issue with a Government department.

Well why not contact your local UKIP MEP, tell him you want him to attend every voting session and instruct him the way you want him to vote and see what his reply is.....simples.

eta I have never seen a single complaint by anyone anti UKIP that their MEP has refused to represent them on a specific issue....all I have seen is whingeing about not turning up or voting...but I will happily stand to be corrected if you can find such a specific example. In fact I would go further and say that a UKIP MEP would jump at the chance to represent any constituent's grievance related to an EU institution.

Edited by mrpurple on Wednesday 20th May 14:42

[fido]

cookie118 said:

And Deutsche bank (9,000 UK employees) has set up a working group to review the future of it's UK oeprations in the event of a Brexit.

And some companies said the same about the Euro in 2000. Thankfully we did not heed their advice!

[FiF]

This thread gets more bizarre and entrenched in tribal views based on not much more than the other side is wrong because it's the other side.

The Vat argument over who controls it was one example, with both sides at extremes deliberately winding up the other one, when the truth is somewhere in the middle.

This one about who the member represents is another one. Clearly if a constituent raises a specific issue then it's the duty of the member to listen and do what they can. That's assuming the subject is something within their purview, countless representations are made which should be taken at councillor level. But the argument from one side seems to be that if someone is elected on the back of various policy statements then because more people didn't vote for them than did then they are wrong to carry out their policies, despite being the candidate with the most votes.

Bizarre attitude which can only be a wind up surely. There's a lot of that on both sides lately it seems.

[Zod]

mrpurple said:

Zod said:

mrpurple said:

Bizarre.......I voted UKIP because they are anti EU..............you didn't........UKIP play silly buggers in the EU which I like...you don't..........but you say UKIP MEP's should represent you not me. Given the fact you did not vote for him why would NF do what you want him to do and then lose my vote? Confused? you will be :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHgDu5_1m70

You are seriously confused. If a constituent who did not vote UKIP has a concern that is related to a European institution, the UKIP MEP should, if it is a valid concern, contact the institution on the constituent's behalf, just as my local Labour MP presumably would for me if I had an issue with a Government department.

Well why not contact your local UKIP MEP, tell him you want him to attend every voting session and instruct him the way you want him to vote and see what his reply is.....simples.

eta I have never seen a single complaint by anyone anti UKIP that their MEP has refused to represent them on a specific issue....all I have seen is whingeing about not turning up or voting...but I will happily stand to be corrected if you can find such a specific example. In fact I would go further and say that a UKIP MEP would jump at the chance to represent any constituent's grievance related to an EU institution.

Edited by mrpurple on Wednesday 20th May 14:42

Who talked about instructing MEPs on how to vote?

[DMN]

RYH64E said:

If they can't do the job they're paid to do they shouldn't be there. They're on the public payroll, if they want to piss around they should do so in their own time and not on the taxpayer's dime.

Is the correct answer.

[s2art]

DMN said:

RYH64E said:

If they can't do the job they're paid to do they shouldn't be there. They're on the public payroll, if they want to piss around they should do so in their own time and not on the taxpayer's dime.

Is the correct answer.

Agreed. Now define exactly what their job is. That is the crux of this argument.

[FredClogs]

It's all so undemocratic and a bureaucratic socialist republic at the EU, innit, that's why Farage doesn't vote very often. Simples.

[handpaper]

Three words :

Multi. Member. Constituencies.

UKIP voters in UK European Parliament Constituencies are represented by UKIP MEPs'; non-UKIP voters are represented by whoever they did vote for (assuming enough support for at least one MEP).
Actually, the UK is unusual in having constituencies at all; most MEPs are elected by national PR.

[mrpurple]

DMN said:

RYH64E said:

If they can't do the job they're paid to do they shouldn't be there. They're on the public payroll, if they want to piss around they should do so in their own time and not on the taxpayer's dime.

Is the correct answer.

Well having supported AL Murray, the pub landlord, I'd have thought you would disagree DMN.


RYH64E... just in case you hadn't noticed we don't use dimes in the UK, nor Euros thankfully. (although I do believe you can).

[FiF]

handpaper said:

Three words :

Multi. Member. Constituencies.

UKIP voters in UK European Parliament Constituencies are represented by UKIP MEPs'; non-UKIP voters are represented by whoever they did vote for (assuming enough support for at least one MEP).
Actually, the UK is unusual in having constituencies at all; most MEPs are elected by national PR.

Is actually effectively the correct answer, with the obvious rider that one can ask any of the MEPs elected for your constituency for support in relation to an issue regardless of voting history. Clearly if you voted for their party then they may be inherently more sympathetic to your cause but that shouldn't affect things.

[TTwiggy]

FiF said:

Clearly if you voted for their party then they may be inherently more sympathetic to your cause but that shouldn't affect things.

One would hope that they had no idea how you voted!

[mrpurple]

TTwiggy said:

FiF said:

Clearly if you voted for their party then they may be inherently more sympathetic to your cause but that shouldn't affect things.

One would hope that they had no idea how you voted!

I didn't vote for you because (insert insult of your choice here) and I know there are other MEP's for this region, but could you do xxxxx for me please?

[TKF]

FiF said:

This one about who the member represents is another one. Clearly if a constituent raises a specific issue then it's the duty of the member to listen and do what they can. That's assuming the subject is something within their purview, countless representations are made which should be taken at councillor level. But the argument from one side seems to be that if someone is elected on the back of various policy statements then because more people didn't vote for them than did then they are wrong to carry out their policies, despite being the candidate with the most votes.

You're better than this FiF. Nobody has said they are wrong to carry out their policies.

The argument began because mrpurple said "you didn't vote for Farage therefore he doesn't represent you" which is patently wrong. MPs and MEPs first and foremost represent the constituents, you know this. They also represent their party during votes. However, as per the start of this discussion, Farage doesn't vote.

[FiF]

TKF said:

You're better than this FiF. Nobody has said they are wrong to carry out their policies.

The argument began because mrpurple said "you didn't vote for Farage therefore he doesn't represent you" which is patently wrong. MPs and MEPs first and foremost represent the constituents, you know this. They also represent their party during votes. However, as per the start of this discussion, Farage doesn't vote.

Sorry, you're right. I must have got confused as to who said what in some set of nested quotes which are impossible to follow on my phone with the beta mobile. Or just completely misinterpreted context. Or had brain fade, whatever

I agree they represent their constituents regardless of voting history, have said that several times you'll note.

Still think there's a lot of deliberate winding up afoot though.