Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 4)

[IforB]

Vanden Saab said:

valiant said:

IforB said:

Zirconia said:

Grayling didn't make it to the ISC chair? Could get interesting.

Surprised me.

Failing Grayling fails yet again...

The man is a fart in human form, but this is quite a poke in the eye for Johnson really.

Grayling not getting the intelligence chair because he did not realise there was a covert move against him is perfect and priceless

A failure of intelligence, in both senses


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Apart from speculation in the press can you point to any actual evidence that grayling was the preferred choice for the position? As far as I can see the members are nominated by the various party leaders and the committee then vote for the chairperson...

Is that it?

"It is not embarrassing for Johnson as he didn't really pick Grayling."

Yeah right. The press have been talking about it for weeks in those terms and if it was inaccurate, then why did no. 10 not ask them to change that?

As a piece of dissemblement, that is stretching it massively!

[Vanden Saab]

IforB said:

Is that it?

"It is not embarrassing for Johnson as he didn't really pick Grayling."

Yeah right. The press have been talking about it for weeks in those terms and if it was inaccurate, then why did no. 10 not ask them to change that?

As a piece of dissemblement, that is stretching it massively!

Can you point out any other situations where speculation on an appointment has been denied?

[frisbee]

IforB said:

Is that it?

"It is not embarrassing for Johnson as he didn't really pick Grayling."

Yeah right. The press have been talking about it for weeks in those terms and if it was inaccurate, then why did no. 10 not ask them to change that?

As a piece of dissemblement, that is stretching it massively!

Don't worry the Johnson groupies will claim it was a Cummiavellian tactical move, a modern day Trojan Horse if you like.:horse:

[paulrockliffe]

Julian Lewis has been kicked out of the parliamentary Conservative Party now as a result.

[bitchstewie]

paulrockliffe said:

Julian Lewis has been kicked out of the parliamentary Conservative Party now as a result.

Remember though there is absolutely no evidence that Grayling was Johnson's preferred candidate

[Zirconia]

Solids hitting the fan over the ISC.

[Stuart70]

paulrockliffe said:

Julian Lewis has been kicked out of the parliamentary Conservative Party now as a result.

What a sack of rats is the Conservative party.

[paulrockliffe]

Stuart70 said:

paulrockliffe said:

Julian Lewis has been kicked out of the parliamentary Conservative Party now as a result.

What a sack of rats is the Conservative party.

I don't know how these things work, but if the party decided on their choice for chair, whether that's delegated to the Party Leader or however else, then another MP conspires with the opposition to get themselves in instead, then it's not a huge surprise that that would be the outcome.

[Zirconia]

paulrockliffe said:

Stuart70 said:

paulrockliffe said:

Julian Lewis has been kicked out of the parliamentary Conservative Party now as a result.

What a sack of rats is the Conservative party.

I don't know how these things work, but if the party decided on their choice for chair, whether that's delegated to the Party Leader or however else, then another MP conspires with the opposition to get themselves in instead, then it's not a huge surprise that that would be the outcome.

I understood it was up to the ISC to vote their chair. Should not be any influence. The committee sets its own agenda. Dom not a happy bunny tonight then. Unless it is a plan.

Majority down by one then.

[bitchstewie]

paulrockliffe said:

I don't know how these things work, but if the party decided on their choice for chair, whether that's delegated to the Party Leader or however else, then another MP conspires with the opposition to get themselves in instead, then it's not a huge surprise that that would be the outcome.

I'm taking Iain Dale on LBC at face value when he's just pointed out that it's meant to be an independent committee.

[anonymous-user]

paulrockliffe said:

Stuart70 said:

paulrockliffe said:

Julian Lewis has been kicked out of the parliamentary Conservative Party now as a result.

What a sack of rats is the Conservative party.

I don't know how these things work, but if the party decided on their choice for chair, whether that's delegated to the Party Leader or however else, then another MP conspires with the opposition to get themselves in instead, then it's not a huge surprise that that would be the outcome.

A kick in the nuts to the dictatorship. Good news day..

[soupdragon1]

paulrockliffe said:

Stuart70 said:

paulrockliffe said:

Julian Lewis has been kicked out of the parliamentary Conservative Party now as a result.

What a sack of rats is the Conservative party.

I don't know how these things work, but if the party decided on their choice for chair, whether that's delegated to the Party Leader or however else, then another MP conspires with the opposition to get themselves in instead, then it's not a huge surprise that that would be the outcome.

Its a crack in the wall that the Tories need to repair before it escalates to something bigger. I'm sure Lewis Tory friends won't be too impressed.

[gooner1]

frisbee said:

IforB said:

Is that it?

"It is not embarrassing for Johnson as he didn't really pick Grayling."

Yeah right. The press have been talking about it for weeks in those terms and if it was inaccurate, then why did no. 10 not ask them to change that?

As a piece of dissemblement, that is stretching it massively!

Don't worry the Johnson groupies will claim it was a Cummiavellian tactical move, a modern day Trojan Horse if you like.:horse:

I love the way that because the press have been talking about this, or anything else for that matter, that for some that is a stamp of authenticity.

I see it took a still grieving remoaner to suggest it will be claimed by some to be all a plot, when no else bar the press has claimed
Grayling was even in the running for the appointment.

[IforB]

Vanden Saab said:

IforB said:

Is that it?

"It is not embarrassing for Johnson as he didn't really pick Grayling."

Yeah right. The press have been talking about it for weeks in those terms and if it was inaccurate, then why did no. 10 not ask them to change that?

As a piece of dissemblement, that is stretching it massively!

Can you point out any other situations where speculation on an appointment has been denied?

Care to explain why Julian Lewis has had the whip removed?

[paulrockliffe]

bhstewie said:

paulrockliffe said:

I don't know how these things work, but if the party decided on their choice for chair, whether that's delegated to the Party Leader or however else, then another MP conspires with the opposition to get themselves in instead, then it's not a huge surprise that that would be the outcome.

I'm taking Iain Dale on LBC at face value when he's just pointed out that it's meant to be an independent committee.

Not sure I follow, the committee is constituted 5:4 in favour of the Government and is obviously made up of MPs. It may be independent in terms of it's freedom to operate, but it can't be independently constituted. The parties are allocated numbers and the Parliamentary Parties are free to choose their members however they like. That influence can obviously follow through to the selection of the chair, I don't think that's controversial or unsupported by precedent.

[gooner1]

IforB said:

Vanden Saab said:

IforB said:

Is that it?

"It is not embarrassing for Johnson as he didn't really pick Grayling."

Yeah right. The press have been talking about it for weeks in those terms and if it was inaccurate, then why did no. 10 not ask them to change that?

As a piece of dissemblement, that is stretching it massively!

Can you point out any other situations where speculation on an appointment has been denied?

Care to explain why Julian Lewis has had the whip removed?

Can you, just the facts not speculation?

[bitchstewie]

paulrockliffe said:

Not sure I follow, the committee is constituted 5:4 in favour of the Government and is obviously made up of MPs. It may be independent in terms of it's freedom to operate, but it can't be independently constituted. The parties are allocated numbers and the Parliamentary Parties are free to choose their members however they like. That influence can obviously follow through to the selection of the chair, I don't think that's controversial or unsupported by precedent.

The way I took what Iain Dale said was they it's intended to operate independent of Government.

So as you say yes there's a 5:4 Government "majority" but it isn't intended to be a committee that Boris or the Government directly control or influence.

How that works in practise is beyond me

[Zirconia]

Think the last one was a non blue majority but they chose grieve.

[paulrockliffe]

Senior Tory source: ‘He had agreed with the chief whip to support Grayling’s candidacy

‘At no point did he tell the chief or anyone else he had intended to contest it. Instead he colluded with Labour MPs

Like I said, it's not a huge surprise.

[Zirconia]

Interesting option for Bozza to oust the chair. Will Dom make him do it.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1283487889230...