Islam and the West
Discussion
smegmore said:
gpo746 said:
In other news:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wale...
It's whitey Police's forces fault :
I mean to have one son fook off and go join in the fighting is unfortunate but to have two seems rather like a problem Daddy needs to think about a lot
So this chump blames the police because his sons were radicalised and are now jihadists??http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wale...
It's whitey Police's forces fault :
I mean to have one son fook off and go join in the fighting is unfortunate but to have two seems rather like a problem Daddy needs to think about a lot
And where was he exactly during this 'radicalisation'? Perhaps a compo claim is forthcoming.
1 has anyone in your family been radicalised ?
2. Ok good now after they started to be radicalised did you attempt to deal with it yourself and share those suspicions with the Police .
3 No excellent now did the Police pop along and ask you if you had any radicalised members in your family ?
4. They didn't excellent we can get you a claim pack out in the post today "
gpo746 said:
" hi it's relations against nations here the no 1 specialist in sorting your claim out against the police for failing to stop radicalism in your family, can I just ask you a few questions
1 has anyone in your family been radicalised ?
2. Ok good now after they started to be radicalised did you attempt to deal with it yourself and share those suspicions with the Police .
3 No excellent now did the Police pop along and ask you if you had any radicalised members in your family ?
4. They didn't excellent we can get you a claim pack out in the post today "
1 has anyone in your family been radicalised ?
2. Ok good now after they started to be radicalised did you attempt to deal with it yourself and share those suspicions with the Police .
3 No excellent now did the Police pop along and ask you if you had any radicalised members in your family ?
4. They didn't excellent we can get you a claim pack out in the post today "
Not far from the truth. PC should be made illegal, for it is preferring one lot to the natives/customs of any country.
gpo746 said:
In other news:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wale...
It's whitey Police's forces fault :
I mean to have one son fook off and go join in the fighting is unfortunate but to have two seems rather like a problem Daddy needs to think about a lot
The police have failed to integrate with the Muslim community http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wale...
It's whitey Police's forces fault :
I mean to have one son fook off and go join in the fighting is unfortunate but to have two seems rather like a problem Daddy needs to think about a lot
Asshat...When in Rome etc.
Four Litre said:
"The father of one of them - Nasser Muthana - claimed police had failed to win the trust of Welsh Muslims"
Ohhhhhh Reeeeeaallly!
And overall British Police have enjoyed a reputation for being fair & tolerant.Ohhhhhh Reeeeeaallly!
Who do Muslims complain about in Muslim countries?
Are other religious groups blaming the Police for this sort of issue?
See the Hillsborough thread or Mark Duggan inquest for people seeking to ignore just about everything in order that the Police take the blame.
Anyway, seems they are not out their do to bad things, only good. Posing with guns is just incidental and a bit like when the UK Police carry a gun, just for protection.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28055236
Anyway, seems they are not out their do to bad things, only good. Posing with guns is just incidental and a bit like when the UK Police carry a gun, just for protection.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28055236
Rovinghawk said:
It's hardly the police's job to stop a
holes brainwashing other aholes.
This, if his sons are scum then it's their fault and that of anyone who had an inkling who didn't do anything about it. And by doing anything about it I mean informing the police, not mentioning it in passing to their brothers cousins uncles who know the local sky fairy propaganda merchant in their 'community'holes brainwashing other aholes.This was kept quiet.
Compare and contrast to the Saudi woman murdered the other day.
White man gets stabbed to death nothing
Same town Muslim woman gets stabbed to death headlines all say stabbed because she was a Muslim despite no evidence
Now we have a woman murdered because she wasn't a Muslim by a Muslim where is the outcry? The Saudi woman story spread around the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2672538/Mu...
Compare and contrast to the Saudi woman murdered the other day.
White man gets stabbed to death nothing
Same town Muslim woman gets stabbed to death headlines all say stabbed because she was a Muslim despite no evidence
Now we have a woman murdered because she wasn't a Muslim by a Muslim where is the outcry? The Saudi woman story spread around the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2672538/Mu...
Pesty said:
This was kept quiet.
Compare and contrast to the Saudi woman murdered the other day.
White man gets stabbed to death nothing
Same town Muslim woman gets stabbed to death headlines all say stabbed because she was a Muslim despite no evidence
Now we have a woman murdered because she wasn't a Muslim by a Muslim where is the outcry? The Saudi woman story spread around the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2672538/Mu...
I don't really want to interrupt the "good thing" some of you have going on here, but if you actually read the story you have posted rather than just taking the Daily Mail Headline as gospel - then you'll find that where the "killed for being a prostitute next to a mosque" thing came from was just some prosecutor trying to throw sCompare and contrast to the Saudi woman murdered the other day.
White man gets stabbed to death nothing
Same town Muslim woman gets stabbed to death headlines all say stabbed because she was a Muslim despite no evidence
Now we have a woman murdered because she wasn't a Muslim by a Muslim where is the outcry? The Saudi woman story spread around the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2672538/Mu...
t to a wall and seeing what stuck. There's absolutely no proof that that's why he killed her (although I admit it *may* be the case.) However I bet as this suits many of your agendas; many of you won't quite critically appraise this story the way you did for instance that Saudi woman who got stabbed to death. The hypocrisy, selective-reasoning and playing the "negative racism card" is quite cringe worthy really - but I'll let you get on with it... 
I thought it was telling that Aimen, aged 19, one for the friends of one guy in the ISIS video specifically referenced "it's about what you want for your afterlife" as reason he may have gone to fight for Syrian Muslims (presumably of one particular variety though that never ever gets mentioned!)
That to me is chilling. Again it counters the western progressive liberal argument 'it's not religion, it's political or social'.
Source: BBC news interview Friday 27th 6pm news at 15 mins 30 sec - still on iPlayer.
That to me is chilling. Again it counters the western progressive liberal argument 'it's not religion, it's political or social'.
Source: BBC news interview Friday 27th 6pm news at 15 mins 30 sec - still on iPlayer.
Just some general points & questions about "Islam" and "The West";
Obama is apparently asking Congress for permission to give $500m to "moderate" Sunnis in Syria. This will annoy the Syrians, the Iranians, and ISIS.
In Iraq the US and the UK are aligning themselves with the Shias and Iran against ISIS and as a result also against the "moderate" Sunnis.
As a result of the above we are both supporting and opposing the Saudis in different spheres.
If somebody could explain to me what the above policies are meant to achieve I'd be grateful. It seems like we're going out of our way to p155 off as many people as we can. I'd also be interested in knowing why we feel the need to get involved but most of the western world couldn't give two hoots.
Obama is apparently asking Congress for permission to give $500m to "moderate" Sunnis in Syria. This will annoy the Syrians, the Iranians, and ISIS.
In Iraq the US and the UK are aligning themselves with the Shias and Iran against ISIS and as a result also against the "moderate" Sunnis.
As a result of the above we are both supporting and opposing the Saudis in different spheres.
If somebody could explain to me what the above policies are meant to achieve I'd be grateful. It seems like we're going out of our way to p155 off as many people as we can. I'd also be interested in knowing why we feel the need to get involved but most of the western world couldn't give two hoots.
Countdown said:
Just some general points & questions about "Islam" and "The West";
Obama is apparently asking Congress for permission to give $500m to "moderate" Sunnis in Syria. This will annoy the Syrians, the Iranians, and ISIS.
In Iraq the US and the UK are aligning themselves with the Shias and Iran against ISIS and as a result also against the "moderate" Sunnis.
As a result of the above we are both supporting and opposing the Saudis in different spheres.
If somebody could explain to me what the above policies are meant to achieve I'd be grateful. It seems like we're going out of our way to p155 off as many people as we can. I'd also be interested in knowing why we feel the need to get involved but most of the western world couldn't give two hoots.
For the life of me I can't explain, Mr C its totally ludicrous, and we should simply let them get on with it. What we should do is have nothing to do with it, in any case its a lottery as to which side you back. Have nothing to do with it. Protect our own country.Obama is apparently asking Congress for permission to give $500m to "moderate" Sunnis in Syria. This will annoy the Syrians, the Iranians, and ISIS.
In Iraq the US and the UK are aligning themselves with the Shias and Iran against ISIS and as a result also against the "moderate" Sunnis.
As a result of the above we are both supporting and opposing the Saudis in different spheres.
If somebody could explain to me what the above policies are meant to achieve I'd be grateful. It seems like we're going out of our way to p155 off as many people as we can. I'd also be interested in knowing why we feel the need to get involved but most of the western world couldn't give two hoots.
Countdown said:
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If somebody could explain to me what the above policies are meant to achieve I'd be grateful. It seems like we're going out of our way to p155 off as many people as we can. I'd also be interested in knowing why we feel the need to get involved but most of the western world couldn't give two hoots.
Arm sales & illusions of grandeur by the UK/US.If somebody could explain to me what the above policies are meant to achieve I'd be grateful. It seems like we're going out of our way to p155 off as many people as we can. I'd also be interested in knowing why we feel the need to get involved but most of the western world couldn't give two hoots.
zuby84 said:
I don't really want to interrupt the "good thing" some of you have going on here, but if you actually read the story you have posted rather than just taking the Daily Mail Headline as gospel - then you'll find that where the "killed for being a prostitute next to a mosque" thing came from was just some prosecutor trying to throw st to a wall and seeing what stuck. There's absolutely no proof that that's why he killed her (although I admit it *may* be the case.) However I bet as this suits many of your agendas; many of you won't quite critically appraise this story the way you did for instance that Saudi woman who got stabbed to death. The hypocrisy, selective-reasoning and playing the "negative racism card" is quite cringe worthy really - but I'll let you get on with it...
Welcome back Zuby. Hope you will stay and provide us with your non cringe worthy version of things rather than the hypocrisy, selective-reasoning.t to a wall and seeing what stuck. There's absolutely no proof that that's why he killed her (although I admit it *may* be the case.) However I bet as this suits many of your agendas; many of you won't quite critically appraise this story the way you did for instance that Saudi woman who got stabbed to death. The hypocrisy, selective-reasoning and playing the "negative racism card" is quite cringe worthy really - but I'll let you get on with it... Mr Countdown should be in charge of PR for Islam.
zuby84 said:
I don't really want to interrupt the "good thing" some of you have going on here, but if you actually read the story you have posted rather than just taking the Daily Mail Headline as gospel - then you'll find that where the "killed for being a prostitute next to a mosque" thing came from was just some prosecutor trying to throw st to a wall and seeing what stuck. There's absolutely no proof that that's why he killed her (although I admit it *may* be the case.) However I bet as this suits many of your agendas; many of you won't quite critically appraise this story the way you did for instance that Saudi woman who got stabbed to death. The hypocrisy, selective-reasoning and playing the "negative racism card" is quite cringe worthy really - but I'll let you get on with it...
Exactly my point I'm making. Hypocrisy the stories are similar although in this case we do actually know the murderer was a Muslim we know nothing at all about the other case. But speculation or accusations on that case is fine. the trial happened and the murder happened yet we only hear about it at the sentence stage. Why wasn't this news? Woman murdered in the street the same. Was this plastered around the world? t to a wall and seeing what stuck. There's absolutely no proof that that's why he killed her (although I admit it *may* be the case.) However I bet as this suits many of your agendas; many of you won't quite critically appraise this story the way you did for instance that Saudi woman who got stabbed to death. The hypocrisy, selective-reasoning and playing the "negative racism card" is quite cringe worthy really - but I'll let you get on with it... As you admit it may be the reason, we know this because he was caught so speculation is a bit more than picking a headline out of nowhere.
Still you didn't answer where is the outcry why are there no tweet aroun the world calling for revenge on Muslims. Will there be thousands at this woman's funeral?
" what good thing by way and who is some of you? Why the need to add that to the start of your reply
Edited by Pesty on Saturday 28th June 11:10
Countdown said:
Just some general points & questions about "Islam" and "The West";
Obama is apparently asking Congress for permission to give $500m to "moderate" Sunnis in Syria. This will annoy the Syrians, the Iranians, and ISIS.
In Iraq the US and the UK are aligning themselves with the Shias and Iran against ISIS and as a result also against the "moderate" Sunnis.
As a result of the above we are both supporting and opposing the Saudis in different spheres.
If somebody could explain to me what the above policies are meant to achieve I'd be grateful. It seems like we're going out of our way to p155 off as many people as we can. I'd also be interested in knowing why we feel the need to get involved but most of the western world couldn't give two hoots.
No idea. Then add the mess in Russia where we are doing different again.Obama is apparently asking Congress for permission to give $500m to "moderate" Sunnis in Syria. This will annoy the Syrians, the Iranians, and ISIS.
In Iraq the US and the UK are aligning themselves with the Shias and Iran against ISIS and as a result also against the "moderate" Sunnis.
As a result of the above we are both supporting and opposing the Saudis in different spheres.
If somebody could explain to me what the above policies are meant to achieve I'd be grateful. It seems like we're going out of our way to p155 off as many people as we can. I'd also be interested in knowing why we feel the need to get involved but most of the western world couldn't give two hoots.
A lot if us asked the same the last few times we intervened . Seems like madness to me. Politicians wanting a legacy? Do they think it will get them votes?
I was hoping you could tell us.
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