Tube Strike

[itannum990]

PoleDriver said:

So all this fking fuss over 2 nights a week!!??

Tell your missus you won't be home until 7 am sat/sun morning. When she kicks off, tell her 'its only two nights'

Do you know how many marriages break down on the railway due to the shifts?

[PoleDriver]

itannum990 said:

Tell your missus you won't be home until 7 am sat/sun morning. When she kicks off, tell her 'its only two nights'

Do you know how many marriages break down on the railway due to the shifts?

I've just told my OH that I'm going to be away for 6 days in Dubai, home for 5 days then 13 days in Chicago. I'll be commissioning equipment and training staff how to use it.
The equipment is for railway maintenance!
I don't get overtime and my salary is less than a train driver!
What was your point again?

[RichB]

itannum990 said:

Tell your missus you won't be home until 7 am sat/sun morning. When she kicks off, tell her 'its only two nights' Do you know how many marriages break down on the railway due to the shifts?

I couldn't care less. if they don't want the job trott on, find another £50k p/a job elsewhere. It's not like they're in the armed forces, they are tube drivers. They know the basis of the job before they get involved, they know Tubes run until late and start early so get on with it or move out and let someone else do it. Oh hang on, they can't apply because the driver's jobs on the deep bore tubes are a "closed shop" and only advertised internally, how convenient!

[itannum990]

RichB said:

itannum990 said:

Tell your missus you won't be home until 7 am sat/sun morning. When she kicks off, tell her 'its only two nights' Do you know how many marriages break down on the railway due to the shifts?

I couldn't care less. if they don't want the job trott on, find another £50k p/a job elsewhere. It's not like they're in the armed forces, they are tube drivers. They know the basis of the job before they get involved, they know Tubes run until late and start early so get on with it or move out and let someone else do it. Oh hang on, they can't apply because the driver's jobs on the deep bore tubes are a "closed shop" and only advertised internally, how convenient!

The recruitment process has been explained here already.

They new the job and the terms when they started. They get upset when the terms are changed with no consideration. So would you?

You won't believe this, but the staff ( and please stop forgetting that it is far more than only drivers) they have no desire to walk out. Striking is a last resort. If the management saw fit to deal with the issue, you'd all be happily commuting..

[AMG Merc]

RichB said:

I couldn't care less. if they don't want the job trott on, find another £50k p/a job elsewhere. It's not like they're in the armed forces, they are tube drivers. They know the basis of the job before they get involved, they know Tubes run until late and start early so get on with it or move out and let someone else do it. Oh hang on, they can't apply because the driver's jobs on the deep bore tubes are a "closed shop" and only advertised internally, how convenient!

Right , and they should also realise that businesses don't stand still - the best are innovative and move onwards and upwards and need flexible staff. This shower are like an anchor to improvement

[Countdown]

PoleDriver said:

I've just told my OH that I'm going to be away for 6 days in Dubai, home for 5 days then 13 days in Chicago. I'll be commissioning equipment and training staff how to use it.
The equipment is for railway maintenance!
I don't get overtime and my salary is less than a train driver!
What was your point again?

Do you think you get paid enough for doing that?

[valiant]

RichB said:

I couldn't care less. if they don't want the job trott on, find another £50k p/a job elsewhere. It's not like they're in the armed forces, they are tube drivers. They know the basis of the job before they get involved, they know Tubes run until late and start early so get on with it or move out and let someone else do it. Oh hang on, they can't apply because the driver's jobs on the deep bore tubes are a "closed shop" and only advertised internally, how convenient!

What does the armed forces have to do with anything?

Tubes do start early and finish late. That's not an issue, all within existing agreements. They do not run all night and is currently outside existing agreements and terms and conditions which form part of contract of employment.

'Deep bore tube' is a closed shop? So by that you mean sub-surface tube (met, district,etc) are open to all? So LUL have two recruitment policies now? Well I never!

[PoleDriver]

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PoleDriver said:

I've just told my OH that I'm going to be away for 6 days in Dubai, home for 5 days then 13 days in Chicago. I'll be commissioning equipment and training staff how to use it.
The equipment is for railway maintenance!
I don't get overtime and my salary is less than a train driver!
What was your point again?

Do you think you get paid enough for doing that?

I knew what the job entailed when I took it. I've been there nearly seven years and my salary has gone up by £11K, and I didn't need to strike once!

[Countdown]

PoleDriver said:

I knew what the job entailed when I took it. I've been there nearly seven years and my salary has gone up by £11K, and I didn't need to strike once!

It appears that, in the case of the Tube Drivers, the management are now trying to CHANGE the T&C's (so it's not the job that they signed up for). Employees who don't have a strong negotiating position might either roll over and accept it or hand their notice in. Unfortunately for TU management the drivers ARE in a strong negotiating position. Also AIUI it's not just the "megabucks" drivers that are striking, it's pretty much all staff groups.

FWIW I'm not a big fan of striking and I've dealt with some right evil Union reps. But there are just as many incompetent power-mad tinpot managers who couldn't negotiate their way out of a wet paper bag. All stories have two sides.

[Snozzwangler]

I've not been keeping up (phoneless in a bunker all day)

Do they get paid while slacking, whoops I mean striking!

[PoleDriver]

I know people who work for LUL maintenance. They work st hours in the tunnels, which are not a very nice place to be! When they took their jobs they understood what they were letting themselves in for and we're happy with the pay, which has incremented nicely.
Most of them would Love to be drivers as, in their words, it's money for old rope and has increased at an accelerated rate due to the fascists running the union! They can't get the drivers job though as it IS a closed shop!

[itannum990]

PoleDriver said:

Countdown said:

PoleDriver said:

I've just told my OH that I'm going to be away for 6 days in Dubai, home for 5 days then 13 days in Chicago. I'll be commissioning equipment and training staff how to use it.
The equipment is for railway maintenance!
I don't get overtime and my salary is less than a train driver!
What was your point again?

Do you think you get paid enough for doing that?

I knew what the job entailed when I took it. I've been there nearly seven years and my salary has gone up by £11K, and I didn't need to strike once!

Because you are in a position to receive a pay rise without the need to threaten to strike?



And for your other point, I'd take a drop in pay if it meant that I had the opportunity to travel for work, travelling outside of south London anyway!

[KTF]

rambo19 said:

If london tube drivers are on 50k per year, london bus drivers should be on 75k per year!!!!

No, because the barrier to entry and the skills required are a lot less.

[PoleDriver]

itannum990 said:

And for your other point, I'd take a drop in pay if it meant that I had the opportunity to travel for work, travelling outside of south London anyway!

That's probably how the train drivers thought before they started their jobs. The other man's grass and all that!

[audikentman]

In there the bottom, apart from a company being able to change the T&C's of any job without and sort of consultation or agreement with its employees what else would some members like to change? Scrap sick pay and put everyone onto SSP? Maternity pay, paternity pay? Sex equality, race equality. Or would it just be for tube drivers?
Maybe we should all go back to the days of the Tolpuddle martyrs and be done with it?

[RichB]

valiant said:

'Deep bore tube' is a closed shop? So by that you mean sub-surface tube (met, district,etc) are open to all? So LUL have two recruitment policies now? Well I never!

Exactly what I mean. Surprised you didn't know this.

[eldar]

audikentman said:

In there the bottom, apart from a company being able to change the T&C's of any job without and sort of consultation or agreement with its employees what else would some members like to change? Scrap sick pay and put everyone onto SSP? Maternity pay, paternity pay? Sex equality, race equality. Or would it just be for tube drivers?
Maybe we should all go back to the days of the Tolpuddle martyrs and be done with it?

Now you are getting silly. A tube driver on 50K a year clearly pretending to be hard done by having a whole deck of I'm the victim cards.

Driving a tube train requires training, a degree of skill and some anti social hours - though no degree, formal registration or post graduate qualification.

Look at nursing, policing, firefighting, engineering, teaching or social working.

Now tell me why a tube driver on entry is paid twice as much as the above.

[audikentman]

Should the question not be why are the others paid so little?

Although I'm pretty sure there are no formal qualifications for being a firefighter either?

Edited by audikentman on Tuesday 14th July 23:14

[legzr1]

PoleDriver said:

I know people who work for LUL maintenance. They work st hours in the tunnels, which are not a very nice place to be! When they took their jobs they understood what they were letting themselves in for and we're happy with the pay, which has incremented nicely.
Most of them would Love to be drivers as, in their words, it's money for old rope and has increased at an accelerated rate due to the fascists running the union! They can't get the drivers job though as it IS a closed shop!

You sound a little bitter.

Was it you that tried and failed to get a drivers job?

[sidicks]

audikentman said:

Should the question not be why are the others paid so little?

Are we back to the 'train drivers aren't paid too much, everyone else is paid too little' argument...?!

Or to put it another way, what makes your job so difficult that you should be paid more than 2.5x national average wage?