Dear University lecturers - get back to work

[sidicks]

johnfm said:

Joey is a university lecturer - looks likely that he does one of those 8 contact hours a week, feminist dance therapy and media studies double majors...

This sort of nonsense doesn’t help support a sensible discussion.

[sidicks]

Digga said:

And is happy to look his young students in the eye, despite burdening them with an unsustainable future tax burden.

Likewise, but at least closer to the truth!

[johnfm]

Digga said:

johnfm said:

sidicks said:

Joey Ramone said:

Whatever arrangement is come to it'll still cause you to fulminate, and still allow me to piss myself laughing

Wrong again. A change to DC is massively beneficial from the taxpayer’s perspective. The fact that you don’t appear to understand the significance is very telling!

Joey is a university lecturer - looks likely that he does one of those 8 contact hours a week, feminist dance therapy and media studies double majors...

And is happy to look his young students in the eye, despite burdening them with an unsustainable future tax burden.

Hard to look them in the eye when you don't turn up during a strike.

[johnfm]

sidicks said:

johnfm said:

Joey is a university lecturer - looks likely that he does one of those 8 contact hours a week, feminist dance therapy and media studies double majors...

This sort of nonsense doesn’t help support a sensible discussion.

Which sensible discussion?

There isn't a sensible discussion to be had with people who are on strike because 18% pension contributions are deemed insufficient.

[Joey Ramone]

sidicks said:

Wrong again. A change to DC is massively beneficial from the taxpayer’s perspective. The fact that you don’t appear to understand the significance is very telling!

The potential change to DC is still only mooted, and that after 3 more years of consultation about USS liabilities. I wouldn't hold your breath.

Edited by Joey Ramone on Tuesday 13th March 15:15

[Joey Ramone]

johnfm said:

Which sensible discussion?

There isn't a sensible discussion to be had with people who are on strike because 18% pension contributions are deemed insufficient.

I didn't strike.

But hey, don't let that get in the way of a good old fashioned moan, you whining maggot x

[travel is dangerous]

sidicks said:

Joey Ramone said:

The Government has nothing to do with the setting of university pensions under the USS scheme.

Where does the money ultimately come from?

universities are independent organisations that decide how they spend their funds themselves. it's nothing to do with government. (but probably should be - about 60 universities are in the USS whilst the rest (the newer ones, mostly) are in the more generous, and unfunded, TPS). If you want to get worked up about a pension scheme, maybe think about that one, it should generate a lot more outrage for you.

Edited by travel is dangerous on Tuesday 13th March 15:29

[sidicks]

travel is dangerous said:

universities are independent organisations that decide how they spend their funds themselves. it's nothing to do with government.

Where do those funds come from?

[travel is dangerous]

it's irrelevant where they come from as to whether the government is involved in the running of the USS pension scheme.

[johnfm]

Joey Ramone said:

johnfm said:

Which sensible discussion?

There isn't a sensible discussion to be had with people who are on strike because 18% pension contributions are deemed insufficient.

I didn't strike.

But hey, don't let that get in the way of a good old fashioned moan, you whining maggot x

Quality keyboard warrior skills.

How's your lecture plan coming along for your media studies class?

[Joey Ramone]

sidicks said:

Where do those funds come from?

I'm guessing the £9,000 a year fees might have something to do with it.

[travel is dangerous]

Johnfm.

nobody is striking because they think the contribution rate is too low. People are striking because they believe their pension will be too low.

In my case the proposed changes will result in a pension worth much less - by about 10 years salary. ]

The changes for me amount to about a 25 % pay cut over my lifetime, if I include my pension as part of my pay/remuneration (I do).

I think even the most reasonable of employee would begin to get outraged at being asked to perform the same job but take 25 % less pay.

[sidicks]

travel is dangerous said:

it's irrelevant where they come from as to whether the government is involved in the running of the USS pension scheme.

So much for ‘independent’!

[Joey Ramone]

johnfm said:

Joey Ramone said:

johnfm said:

Which sensible discussion?

There isn't a sensible discussion to be had with people who are on strike because 18% pension contributions are deemed insufficient.

I didn't strike.

But hey, don't let that get in the way of a good old fashioned moan, you whining maggot x

Quality keyboard warrior skills.

How's your lecture plan coming along for your media studies class?

I don't bother with lecture plans. I just spout any old bks about Critical Theory and Postmodernism and watch the money roll in

Honestly mate, you should try it. It's an absolute hoot. Money for old rope, massive amounts of time off and, get this, the pension provision is out of this world

Go on, give it a go. You'll love it

[sidicks]

Joey Ramone said:

sidicks said:

Where do those funds come from?

I'm guessing the £9,000 a year fees might have something to do with it.

Yes, the government definitely doesn’t pay any money at all.

[johnfm]

Joey Ramone said:

johnfm said:

Joey Ramone said:

johnfm said:

Which sensible discussion?

There isn't a sensible discussion to be had with people who are on strike because 18% pension contributions are deemed insufficient.

I didn't strike.

But hey, don't let that get in the way of a good old fashioned moan, you whining maggot x

Quality keyboard warrior skills.

How's your lecture plan coming along for your media studies class?

I don't bother with lecture plans. I just spout any old bks about Critical Theory and Postmodernism and watch the money roll in

Honestly mate, you should try it. It's an absolute hoot. Money for old rope, massive amounts of time off and, get this, the pension provision is out of this world

Go on, give it a go. You'll love it

Cheers - but my oil&gas exploration industry pension is pretty decent. And I get to spend my day with intelligent people talking about interesting things.

[Joey Ramone]

sidicks said:

Yes, the government definitely doesn’t pay any money at all.

I'm sure it does and quite right too, seeing as Universities are worth tens of billions to the national economy. But it's a marketplace, and a significant amount of that contributed comes from the customer.

[travel is dangerous]

sidicks said:

travel is dangerous said:

it's irrelevant where they come from as to whether the government is involved in the running of the USS pension scheme.

So much for ‘independent’!

I'm sorry, but it's quite clear. Universities are legally established independent bodies that are not run by the government. I don't understand what you can't grasp here.

[Joey Ramone]

johnfm said:

Cheers - but my oil&gas exploration industry pension is pretty decent. And I get to spend my day with intelligent people talking about interesting things.

When you're not on Pistonheads whining like a kicked puppy, obviously.

Edited by Joey Ramone on Tuesday 13th March 15:42

[travel is dangerous]

Were you guys bullied by university lecturers or something? Jealous of our fancy hats and robes? Is it that you never get any questions right on University Challenge?