Next Conservative party leader.
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powerstroke said:
Taxes and tariffs set by the EU make it so unless you don't mind being disadvantaged we have to fit in with one size fits all tariff
system, outside the EU like most other counties are we can set our own tariffs ...
What do you think WTO does? Doing a deal with every single country on every single product might be quite f[difficult and timeconsuming. system, outside the EU like most other counties are we can set our own tariffs ...
I’m not sure you understand the taxes and tariffs system in the EU.
Lindun said:
powerstroke said:
Taxes and tariffs set by the EU make it so unless you don't mind being disadvantaged we have to fit in with one size fits all tariff
system, outside the EU like most other counties are we can set our own tariffs ...
What do you think WTO does? Doing a deal with every single country on every single product might be quite f[difficult and timeconsuming. system, outside the EU like most other counties are we can set our own tariffs ...
I’m not sure you understand the taxes and tariffs system in the EU.
Oh I do hence my one size fits all comment , and other counties do just fine being independent and not part of the EU
I'm looking forward to our independence like the other members of the commonwealth and the americas , Australasia, Asia etc ..
powerstroke said:
Oh I do hence my one size fits all comment , and other counties do just fine being independent and not part of the EU
I'm looking forward to our independence like the other members of the commonwealth and the americas , Australasia, Asia etc ..
Aren’t they all in regional trading blocs? Like the E.U.I'm looking forward to our independence like the other members of the commonwealth and the americas , Australasia, Asia etc ..
El stovey said:
powerstroke said:
Oh I do hence my one size fits all comment , and other counties do just fine being independent and not part of the EU
I'm looking forward to our independence like the other members of the commonwealth and the americas , Australasia, Asia etc ..
Aren’t they all in regional trading blocs? Like the E.U.I'm looking forward to our independence like the other members of the commonwealth and the americas , Australasia, Asia etc ..
El stovey said:
powerstroke said:
Oh I do hence my one size fits all comment , and other counties do just fine being independent and not part of the EU
I'm looking forward to our independence like the other members of the commonwealth and the americas , Australasia, Asia etc ..
Aren’t they all in regional trading blocs? Like the E.U.I'm looking forward to our independence like the other members of the commonwealth and the americas , Australasia, Asia etc ..
There is nothing wrong with Trading Blocks/Co-operation, everything is wrong with a Political Construct who's end goal is a Union (Empire) of States controlled by a central Elite (Politburo)
powerstroke said:
Lindun said:
powerstroke said:
I think he was misunderstood ,
and actually meant the remainers who want us to be a little province and be further absorbed by a malevolent political construct,
Not the leavers who want to engage and trade freely with the whole world and its peoples.... no !!!
We trade freely with the whole world now. and actually meant the remainers who want us to be a little province and be further absorbed by a malevolent political construct,
Not the leavers who want to engage and trade freely with the whole world and its peoples.... no !!!
Will I be able to recruit Japanese employees without visas and work permits, in the way I can do so now for those from France, Slovenia et al?
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
That is the EEC .....it is NOT the Eu
There is nothing wrong with Trading Blocks/Co-operation, everything is wrong with a Political Construct who's end goal is a Union (Empire) of States controlled by a central Elite (Politburo)
Ah yes and this is literally just around the corner There is nothing wrong with Trading Blocks/Co-operation, everything is wrong with a Political Construct who's end goal is a Union (Empire) of States controlled by a central Elite (Politburo)
Lindun said:
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
That is the EEC .....it is NOT the Eu
There is nothing wrong with Trading Blocks/Co-operation, everything is wrong with a Political Construct who's end goal is a Union (Empire) of States controlled by a central Elite (Politburo)
Ah yes and this is literally just around the corner There is nothing wrong with Trading Blocks/Co-operation, everything is wrong with a Political Construct who's end goal is a Union (Empire) of States controlled by a central Elite (Politburo)
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
Lindun said:
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
That is the EEC .....it is NOT the Eu
There is nothing wrong with Trading Blocks/Co-operation, everything is wrong with a Political Construct who's end goal is a Union (Empire) of States controlled by a central Elite (Politburo)
Ah yes and this is literally just around the corner There is nothing wrong with Trading Blocks/Co-operation, everything is wrong with a Political Construct who's end goal is a Union (Empire) of States controlled by a central Elite (Politburo)
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
Do not turn onto a motorway that has not exits.....
and they say Leavers are ......
More useless sound bites. and they say Leavers are ......
Veto is a word that might be worth looking up. Or even the idea of a referendum we’re this to be suggested explicitly rather than just a pipe dream.
Lindun said:
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
Lindun said:
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
That is the EEC .....it is NOT the Eu
There is nothing wrong with Trading Blocks/Co-operation, everything is wrong with a Political Construct who's end goal is a Union (Empire) of States controlled by a central Elite (Politburo)
Ah yes and this is literally just around the corner There is nothing wrong with Trading Blocks/Co-operation, everything is wrong with a Political Construct who's end goal is a Union (Empire) of States controlled by a central Elite (Politburo)
The single market and customs union is where the UK should be and should stay, it was always going to be the best compromise before everybody took sides, but as for political union, we just aren't that way inclined.
Edited by NoNeed on Thursday 27th June 12:06
NoNeed said:
If that isn't where you want to go then why start the journey? I don't even think remainers want to go there. During the referendum debates, I never heard a single remainer talk without either saying "I know the EU is not perfect" or "we should stay and reform" so I got the impression that even they don't like what it is or what it is becoming.
The single market and customs union is where the UK should be and should stay, it was always going to be the best compromise before everybody took sides, but as for political union, we just aren't that way inclined.
Anyone can see the EU isn’t perfect. That doesn’t mean we should leave though. The single market and customs union is where the UK should be and should stay, it was always going to be the best compromise before everybody took sides, but as for political union, we just aren't that way inclined.
Edited by NoNeed on Thursday 27th June 12:06
The idea of an aspirational end goal that nobody has agreed to, or signed up to remains just a pipe dream. There are many benefits to be taken advantage of long before that becomes an issue.
Have you stopped driving and using all fossil fuels because the end game there is the end of the world?
There is simply no mandate for political union and it’s not even on the table yet you’re all talking as if it’s happening tomorrow. It’s not. Some of you really need to take the tinfoil off your heads.
Lindun said:
Anyone can see the EU isn’t perfect. That doesn’t mean we should leave though.
The idea of an aspirational end goal that nobody has agreed to, or signed up to remains just a pipe dream. There are many benefits to be taken advantage of long before that becomes an issue.
Have you stopped driving and using all fossil fuels because the end game there is the end of the world?
There is simply no mandate for political union and it’s not even on the table yet you’re all talking as if it’s happening tomorrow. It’s not. Some of you really need to take the tinfoil off your heads.
Political union is already happening. The idea of an aspirational end goal that nobody has agreed to, or signed up to remains just a pipe dream. There are many benefits to be taken advantage of long before that becomes an issue.
Have you stopped driving and using all fossil fuels because the end game there is the end of the world?
There is simply no mandate for political union and it’s not even on the table yet you’re all talking as if it’s happening tomorrow. It’s not. Some of you really need to take the tinfoil off your heads.
The veto is being replaced by QMV.
Each year the EU expands its competences and puts in place representatives in areas traditionally only held by sovereign states.
You cant deny this.
Lindun said:
Anyone can see the EU isn’t perfect. That doesn’t mean we should leave though.
Cameron tried to change it just a little bit but the EU refused - prior to the referedum.Lindun said:
The idea of an aspirational end goal that nobody has agreed to, or signed up to remains just a pipe dream. There are many benefits to be taken advantage of long before that becomes an issue.
Its Raison d'être is political unification - and sleep walking into political union is one of the methods it espouses (many quotes available). Just look at how difficult it has been to leave now - imagine trying after your veto has been replaced with Qualified Majority Voting?Lindun said:
Have you stopped driving and using all fossil fuels because the end game there is the end of the world?
Non-sequitur there is no end of the world event expected due to transport emissions (AR5 lists possible outcomes none of which are world ending - including RCP 8.4) . Lindun said:
There is simply no mandate for political union and it’s not even on the table yet you’re all talking as if it’s happening tomorrow. It’s not. Some of you really need to take the tinfoil off your heads.
The solution to the monetary crisis - more EU, solution to Russia aggression - more EU, solution to trouble in member states - more EU. Drip drip drip until you no longer live in a country just Adminstrative Block 7 of the EU. Lindun said:
Anyone can see the EU isn’t perfect. That doesn’t mean we should leave though.
The idea of an aspirational end goal that nobody has agreed to, or signed up to remains just a pipe dream. There are many benefits to be taken advantage of long before that becomes an issue.
Have you stopped driving and using all fossil fuels because the end game there is the end of the world?
There is simply no mandate for political union and it’s not even on the table yet you’re all talking as if it’s happening tomorrow. It’s not. Some of you really need to take the tinfoil off your heads.
I think it may well be you who needs to be far more realistic.The idea of an aspirational end goal that nobody has agreed to, or signed up to remains just a pipe dream. There are many benefits to be taken advantage of long before that becomes an issue.
Have you stopped driving and using all fossil fuels because the end game there is the end of the world?
There is simply no mandate for political union and it’s not even on the table yet you’re all talking as if it’s happening tomorrow. It’s not. Some of you really need to take the tinfoil off your heads.
Why would we want to be any part of the EU when it's clearly heading on a downward spiral ?
What about when Veto rights are taken away, when it no longer had to be a unanimous vote?
Say on foreign policy, human rights, taxation etc?
This is being pushed fairly hard at the moment and can see it happening sooner rather than later, especially for things like a unified tax rates. It is the only way the Euro can last long term, it will level the playing field across Europe, but do we want to part of that in the UK? What about someone like Ireland? It would decimate their economy.
There are certain things that need to happen for the EU project to survive going forwards, however, I think many of those things most who voted remain would not be happy with if they were honest.
Say on foreign policy, human rights, taxation etc?
This is being pushed fairly hard at the moment and can see it happening sooner rather than later, especially for things like a unified tax rates. It is the only way the Euro can last long term, it will level the playing field across Europe, but do we want to part of that in the UK? What about someone like Ireland? It would decimate their economy.
There are certain things that need to happen for the EU project to survive going forwards, however, I think many of those things most who voted remain would not be happy with if they were honest.
it remains to be seen how accurate the Conservative Home polling is. But for what it is worth
Boris 66%, Hunt 30%
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019...
The concocted furore over the weekend has had little impact they think.
Boris 66%, Hunt 30%
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019...
The concocted furore over the weekend has had little impact they think.
jsf said:
Lindun said:
Anyone can see the EU isn’t perfect. That doesn’t mean we should leave though.
The idea of an aspirational end goal that nobody has agreed to, or signed up to remains just a pipe dream. There are many benefits to be taken advantage of long before that becomes an issue.
Have you stopped driving and using all fossil fuels because the end game there is the end of the world?
There is simply no mandate for political union and it’s not even on the table yet you’re all talking as if it’s happening tomorrow. It’s not. Some of you really need to take the tinfoil off your heads.
Political union is already happening. The idea of an aspirational end goal that nobody has agreed to, or signed up to remains just a pipe dream. There are many benefits to be taken advantage of long before that becomes an issue.
Have you stopped driving and using all fossil fuels because the end game there is the end of the world?
There is simply no mandate for political union and it’s not even on the table yet you’re all talking as if it’s happening tomorrow. It’s not. Some of you really need to take the tinfoil off your heads.
The veto is being replaced by QMV.
Each year the EU expands its competences and puts in place representatives in areas traditionally only held by sovereign states.
You cant deny this.
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