Next Conservative party leader.

Next Conservative party leader.

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Lindun

1,965 posts

64 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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powerstroke said:
Taxes and tariffs set by the EU make it so unless you don't mind being disadvantaged we have to fit in with one size fits all tariff
system, outside the EU like most other counties are we can set our own tariffs ...
What do you think WTO does? Doing a deal with every single country on every single product might be quite f[difficult and timeconsuming.

I’m not sure you understand the taxes and tariffs system in the EU.

powerstroke

10,283 posts

162 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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Lindun said:
powerstroke said:
Taxes and tariffs set by the EU make it so unless you don't mind being disadvantaged we have to fit in with one size fits all tariff
system, outside the EU like most other counties are we can set our own tariffs ...
What do you think WTO does? Doing a deal with every single country on every single product might be quite f[difficult and timeconsuming.

I’m not sure you understand the taxes and tariffs system in the EU.

Oh I do hence my one size fits all comment , and other counties do just fine being independent and not part of the EU
I'm looking forward to our independence like the other members of the commonwealth and the americas , Australasia, Asia etc ..

Lindun

1,965 posts

64 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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powerstroke said:
Oh I do hence my one size fits all comment , and other counties do just fine being independent and not part of the EU
I'm looking forward to our independence like the other members of the commonwealth and the americas , Australasia, Asia etc ..
Great soundbites.

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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powerstroke said:
Oh I do hence my one size fits all comment , and other counties do just fine being independent and not part of the EU
I'm looking forward to our independence like the other members of the commonwealth and the americas , Australasia, Asia etc ..
Aren’t they all in regional trading blocs? Like the E.U.

Sway

26,511 posts

196 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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El stovey said:
powerstroke said:
Oh I do hence my one size fits all comment , and other counties do just fine being independent and not part of the EU
I'm looking forward to our independence like the other members of the commonwealth and the americas , Australasia, Asia etc ..
Aren’t they all in regional trading blocs? Like the E.U.
No one else is in anything like the EU.

Le Controleur Horizontal

1,480 posts

62 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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El stovey said:
powerstroke said:
Oh I do hence my one size fits all comment , and other counties do just fine being independent and not part of the EU
I'm looking forward to our independence like the other members of the commonwealth and the americas , Australasia, Asia etc ..
Aren’t they all in regional trading blocs? Like the E.U.
That is the EEC .....it is NOT the Eu
There is nothing wrong with Trading Blocks/Co-operation, everything is wrong with a Political Construct who's end goal is a Union (Empire) of States controlled by a central Elite (Politburo)

oyster

12,686 posts

250 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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powerstroke said:
Lindun said:
powerstroke said:
I think he was misunderstood ,
and actually meant the remainers who want us to be a little province and be further absorbed by a malevolent political construct,
Not the leavers who want to engage and trade freely with the whole world and its peoples.... no !!!
We trade freely with the whole world now.
Do we ?????
If we get free trade deals with other global nations after Brexit - will we get free movement agreements alongside them?

Will I be able to recruit Japanese employees without visas and work permits, in the way I can do so now for those from France, Slovenia et al?

Lindun

1,965 posts

64 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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Le Controleur Horizontal said:
That is the EEC .....it is NOT the Eu
There is nothing wrong with Trading Blocks/Co-operation, everything is wrong with a Political Construct who's end goal is a Union (Empire) of States controlled by a central Elite (Politburo)
Ah yes and this is literally just around the corner rolleyes

Le Controleur Horizontal

1,480 posts

62 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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Lindun said:
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
That is the EEC .....it is NOT the Eu
There is nothing wrong with Trading Blocks/Co-operation, everything is wrong with a Political Construct who's end goal is a Union (Empire) of States controlled by a central Elite (Politburo)
Ah yes and this is literally just around the corner rolleyes
Try reading "end goal"

Lindun

1,965 posts

64 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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Le Controleur Horizontal said:
Lindun said:
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
That is the EEC .....it is NOT the Eu
There is nothing wrong with Trading Blocks/Co-operation, everything is wrong with a Political Construct who's end goal is a Union (Empire) of States controlled by a central Elite (Politburo)
Ah yes and this is literally just around the corner rolleyes
Try reading "end goal"
If that’s the case then why run away when the end is nowhere in sight?

Le Controleur Horizontal

1,480 posts

62 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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Do not turn onto a motorway that has no exits.....

and they say Leavers are ......

Lindun

1,965 posts

64 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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Le Controleur Horizontal said:
Do not turn onto a motorway that has not exits.....

and they say Leavers are ......
More useless sound bites.

Veto is a word that might be worth looking up. Or even the idea of a referendum we’re this to be suggested explicitly rather than just a pipe dream.

NoNeed

15,137 posts

202 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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Lindun said:
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
Lindun said:
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
That is the EEC .....it is NOT the Eu
There is nothing wrong with Trading Blocks/Co-operation, everything is wrong with a Political Construct who's end goal is a Union (Empire) of States controlled by a central Elite (Politburo)
Ah yes and this is literally just around the corner rolleyes
Try reading "end goal"
If that’s the case then why run away when the end is nowhere in sight?
If that isn't where you want to go then why start the journey? I don't even think remainers want to go there. During the referendum debates, I never heard a single remainer talk without either saying "I know the EU is not perfect" or "we should stay and reform" so I got the impression that even they don't like what it is or what it is becoming.


The single market and customs union is where the UK should be and should stay, it was always going to be the best compromise before everybody took sides, but as for political union, we just aren't that way inclined.

Edited by NoNeed on Thursday 27th June 12:06

Lindun

1,965 posts

64 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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NoNeed said:
If that isn't where you want to go then why start the journey? I don't even think remainers want to go there. During the referendum debates, I never heard a single remainer talk without either saying "I know the EU is not perfect" or "we should stay and reform" so I got the impression that even they don't like what it is or what it is becoming.


The single market and customs union is where the UK should be and should stay, it was always going to be the best compromise before everybody took sides, but as for political union, we just aren't that way inclined.

Edited by NoNeed on Thursday 27th June 12:06
Anyone can see the EU isn’t perfect. That doesn’t mean we should leave though.

The idea of an aspirational end goal that nobody has agreed to, or signed up to remains just a pipe dream. There are many benefits to be taken advantage of long before that becomes an issue.

Have you stopped driving and using all fossil fuels because the end game there is the end of the world?

There is simply no mandate for political union and it’s not even on the table yet you’re all talking as if it’s happening tomorrow. It’s not. Some of you really need to take the tinfoil off your heads.

anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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Lindun said:
Anyone can see the EU isn’t perfect. That doesn’t mean we should leave though.

The idea of an aspirational end goal that nobody has agreed to, or signed up to remains just a pipe dream. There are many benefits to be taken advantage of long before that becomes an issue.

Have you stopped driving and using all fossil fuels because the end game there is the end of the world?

There is simply no mandate for political union and it’s not even on the table yet you’re all talking as if it’s happening tomorrow. It’s not. Some of you really need to take the tinfoil off your heads.
Political union is already happening.

The veto is being replaced by QMV.

Each year the EU expands its competences and puts in place representatives in areas traditionally only held by sovereign states.

You cant deny this.

Jinx

11,457 posts

262 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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Lindun said:
Anyone can see the EU isn’t perfect. That doesn’t mean we should leave though.
Cameron tried to change it just a little bit but the EU refused - prior to the referedum.
Lindun said:
The idea of an aspirational end goal that nobody has agreed to, or signed up to remains just a pipe dream. There are many benefits to be taken advantage of long before that becomes an issue.
Its Raison d'être is political unification - and sleep walking into political union is one of the methods it espouses (many quotes available). Just look at how difficult it has been to leave now - imagine trying after your veto has been replaced with Qualified Majority Voting?
Lindun said:
Have you stopped driving and using all fossil fuels because the end game there is the end of the world?
Non-sequitur there is no end of the world event expected due to transport emissions (AR5 lists possible outcomes none of which are world ending - including RCP 8.4) .
Lindun said:
There is simply no mandate for political union and it’s not even on the table yet you’re all talking as if it’s happening tomorrow. It’s not. Some of you really need to take the tinfoil off your heads.
The solution to the monetary crisis - more EU, solution to Russia aggression - more EU, solution to trouble in member states - more EU. Drip drip drip until you no longer live in a country just Adminstrative Block 7 of the EU.

Robertj21a

16,550 posts

107 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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Lindun said:
Anyone can see the EU isn’t perfect. That doesn’t mean we should leave though.

The idea of an aspirational end goal that nobody has agreed to, or signed up to remains just a pipe dream. There are many benefits to be taken advantage of long before that becomes an issue.

Have you stopped driving and using all fossil fuels because the end game there is the end of the world?

There is simply no mandate for political union and it’s not even on the table yet you’re all talking as if it’s happening tomorrow. It’s not. Some of you really need to take the tinfoil off your heads.
I think it may well be you who needs to be far more realistic.
Why would we want to be any part of the EU when it's clearly heading on a downward spiral ?

gizlaroc

17,251 posts

226 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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What about when Veto rights are taken away, when it no longer had to be a unanimous vote?

Say on foreign policy, human rights, taxation etc?


This is being pushed fairly hard at the moment and can see it happening sooner rather than later, especially for things like a unified tax rates. It is the only way the Euro can last long term, it will level the playing field across Europe, but do we want to part of that in the UK? What about someone like Ireland? It would decimate their economy.

There are certain things that need to happen for the EU project to survive going forwards, however, I think many of those things most who voted remain would not be happy with if they were honest.





JagLover

42,794 posts

237 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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it remains to be seen how accurate the Conservative Home polling is. But for what it is worth

Boris 66%, Hunt 30%

https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019...

The concocted furore over the weekend has had little impact they think.

Crackie

6,386 posts

244 months

Thursday 27th June 2019
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jsf said:
Lindun said:
Anyone can see the EU isn’t perfect. That doesn’t mean we should leave though.

The idea of an aspirational end goal that nobody has agreed to, or signed up to remains just a pipe dream. There are many benefits to be taken advantage of long before that becomes an issue.

Have you stopped driving and using all fossil fuels because the end game there is the end of the world?

There is simply no mandate for political union and it’s not even on the table yet you’re all talking as if it’s happening tomorrow. It’s not. Some of you really need to take the tinfoil off your heads.
Political union is already happening.

The veto is being replaced by QMV.

Each year the EU expands its competences and puts in place representatives in areas traditionally only held by sovereign states.

You cant deny this.
You're wasting your time with Lindun.........he/she won't hear the truth when their head is firmly buried.

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