Next Conservative party leader.
Discussion
JagLover said:
it remains to be seen how accurate the Conservative Home polling is. But for what it is worth
Boris 66%, Hunt 30%
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019...
The concocted furore over the weekend has had little impact they think.
Do these things ever have much impact?Boris 66%, Hunt 30%
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019...
The concocted furore over the weekend has had little impact they think.
gizlaroc said:
What about when Veto rights are taken away, when it no longer had to be a unanimous vote?
Say on foreign policy, human rights, taxation etc?
This is being pushed fairly hard at the moment and can see it happening sooner rather than later, especially for things like a unified tax rates. It is the only way the Euro can last long term, it will level the playing field across Europe, but do we want to part of that in the UK? What about someone like Ireland? It would decimate their economy.
There are certain things that need to happen for the EU project to survive going forwards, however, I think many of those things most who voted remain would not be happy with if they were honest.
Not a chance in hell that this will happen in our lifetimes, if at all. Let’s revisit this in 10 years and see how things are shall we. Say on foreign policy, human rights, taxation etc?
This is being pushed fairly hard at the moment and can see it happening sooner rather than later, especially for things like a unified tax rates. It is the only way the Euro can last long term, it will level the playing field across Europe, but do we want to part of that in the UK? What about someone like Ireland? It would decimate their economy.
There are certain things that need to happen for the EU project to survive going forwards, however, I think many of those things most who voted remain would not be happy with if they were honest.
Lindun said:
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
That is the EEC .....it is NOT the Eu
There is nothing wrong with Trading Blocks/Co-operation, everything is wrong with a Political Construct who's end goal is a Union (Empire) of States controlled by a central Elite (Politburo)
Ah yes and this is literally just around the corner There is nothing wrong with Trading Blocks/Co-operation, everything is wrong with a Political Construct who's end goal is a Union (Empire) of States controlled by a central Elite (Politburo)
Lindun said:
gizlaroc said:
What about when Veto rights are taken away, when it no longer had to be a unanimous vote?
Say on foreign policy, human rights, taxation etc?
This is being pushed fairly hard at the moment and can see it happening sooner rather than later, especially for things like a unified tax rates. It is the only way the Euro can last long term, it will level the playing field across Europe, but do we want to part of that in the UK? What about someone like Ireland? It would decimate their economy.
There are certain things that need to happen for the EU project to survive going forwards, however, I think many of those things most who voted remain would not be happy with if they were honest.
Not a chance in hell that this will happen in our lifetimes, if at all. Let’s revisit this in 10 years and see how things are shall we. Say on foreign policy, human rights, taxation etc?
This is being pushed fairly hard at the moment and can see it happening sooner rather than later, especially for things like a unified tax rates. It is the only way the Euro can last long term, it will level the playing field across Europe, but do we want to part of that in the UK? What about someone like Ireland? It would decimate their economy.
There are certain things that need to happen for the EU project to survive going forwards, however, I think many of those things most who voted remain would not be happy with if they were honest.
And, it’s already happening
Lindun said:
gizlaroc said:
What about when Veto rights are taken away, when it no longer had to be a unanimous vote?
Say on foreign policy, human rights, taxation etc?
This is being pushed fairly hard at the moment and can see it happening sooner rather than later, especially for things like a unified tax rates. It is the only way the Euro can last long term, it will level the playing field across Europe, but do we want to part of that in the UK? What about someone like Ireland? It would decimate their economy.
There are certain things that need to happen for the EU project to survive going forwards, however, I think many of those things most who voted remain would not be happy with if they were honest.
Not a chance in hell that this will happen in our lifetimes, if at all. Let’s revisit this in 10 years and see how things are shall we. Say on foreign policy, human rights, taxation etc?
This is being pushed fairly hard at the moment and can see it happening sooner rather than later, especially for things like a unified tax rates. It is the only way the Euro can last long term, it will level the playing field across Europe, but do we want to part of that in the UK? What about someone like Ireland? It would decimate their economy.
There are certain things that need to happen for the EU project to survive going forwards, however, I think many of those things most who voted remain would not be happy with if they were honest.
Lindun said:
Wibble.
There are only two areas where there is a veto .. foreign policy and tax The E.U. wants to remove the Tax veto and they want an Army .. that suggest foreign policy too
https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news...
Lindun said:
gizlaroc said:
What about when Veto rights are taken away, when it no longer had to be a unanimous vote?
Say on foreign policy, human rights, taxation etc?
This is being pushed fairly hard at the moment and can see it happening sooner rather than later, especially for things like a unified tax rates. It is the only way the Euro can last long term, it will level the playing field across Europe, but do we want to part of that in the UK? What about someone like Ireland? It would decimate their economy.
There are certain things that need to happen for the EU project to survive going forwards, however, I think many of those things most who voted remain would not be happy with if they were honest.
Not a chance in hell that this will happen in our lifetimes, if at all. Let’s revisit this in 10 years and see how things are shall we. Say on foreign policy, human rights, taxation etc?
This is being pushed fairly hard at the moment and can see it happening sooner rather than later, especially for things like a unified tax rates. It is the only way the Euro can last long term, it will level the playing field across Europe, but do we want to part of that in the UK? What about someone like Ireland? It would decimate their economy.
There are certain things that need to happen for the EU project to survive going forwards, however, I think many of those things most who voted remain would not be happy with if they were honest.
I'm not saying it will happen, but I think we may see their need for it end the project as it stands.
Earthdweller said:
Lindun said:
Wibble.
There are only two areas where there is a veto .. foreign policy and tax The E.U. wants to remove the Tax veto and they want an Army .. that suggest foreign policy too
https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news...
It doesn’t matter what links you provide, the truth will always be a little less scary than you want it to be.
vonuber said:
The tinfoil hattery in here is remarkable.
The evil EU out to get you all! And, of course, all the other countries can't wait to sign up to this just to get the plucky English!
You're all bonkers.
It is not Tin Foil hattery, Jucnker et al have all said that we must remove a states ability to veto tex decisions for the EU to survive. The evil EU out to get you all! And, of course, all the other countries can't wait to sign up to this just to get the plucky English!
You're all bonkers.
Earthdweller said:
Lindun said:
Wibble.
There are only two areas where there is a veto .. foreign policy and tax The E.U. wants to remove the Tax veto and they want an Army .. that suggest foreign policy too
https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news...
gizlaroc said:
vonuber said:
The tinfoil hattery in here is remarkable.
The evil EU out to get you all! And, of course, all the other countries can't wait to sign up to this just to get the plucky English!
You're all bonkers.
It is not Tin Foil hattery, Jucnker et al have all said that we must remove a states ability to veto tex decisions for the EU to survive. The evil EU out to get you all! And, of course, all the other countries can't wait to sign up to this just to get the plucky English!
You're all bonkers.
vonuber said:
The tinfoil hattery in here is remarkable.
The evil EU out to get you all! And, of course, all the other countries can't wait to sign up to this just to get the plucky English!
You're all bonkers.
Hyperbolic nonsense..........the EU is not evil, however, 2 out of 3 EU citizens do not like the direction the Commission has chosen for us. The membership dilema for most countries is that they are net benficiaries. The evil EU out to get you all! And, of course, all the other countries can't wait to sign up to this just to get the plucky English!
You're all bonkers.
Crackie said:
vonuber said:
The tinfoil hattery in here is remarkable.
The evil EU out to get you all! And, of course, all the other countries can't wait to sign up to this just to get the plucky English!
You're all bonkers.
Hyperbolic nonsense..........the EU is not evil, however, 2 out of 3 EU citizens do not like the direction the Commission has chosen for us. The membership dilema for most countries is that they are net benficiaries. The evil EU out to get you all! And, of course, all the other countries can't wait to sign up to this just to get the plucky English!
You're all bonkers.
Piha said:
And Bojo said he would give the NHS an extra £350 million a week.
No he didn't1 Boris doesn't have £350 million to give away
2 the slovan you refer to said "we could" no we will or we shoukd but we could.
I'm not a boris fan but attacking him with falsehoods and misquotes is lower than anything I have known him to do.
Piha said:
And Bojo said he would give the NHS an extra £350 million a week.
And? What has that got to do with the EU leaders saying that we need to remove unanimity from tax decisions if the project is to survive?
You mean that was a lie?
So you think they are lying when they have begrudgingly admitted that this needs to happen?
Err......OK.
gizlaroc said:
Piha said:
And Bojo said he would give the NHS an extra £350 million a week.
And? What has that got to do with the EU leaders saying that we need to remove unanimity from tax decisions if the project is to survive?
You mean that was a lie?
So you think they are lying when they have begrudgingly admitted that this needs to happen?
Err......OK.
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