M1 'horror' crash

[hyphen]

danllama said:

Our roads are just full of idiots. No wonder they manage to kill each other even on empty roads.

Dashcam of a 1st lane Lorry needlessly hitting a middle lane car is in todays news. Happened yesterday. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4837058/Ch...

[Mandat]

hyphen said:

Dashcam of a 1st lane Lorry needlessly hitting a middle lane car is in todays news. Happened yesterday. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4837058/Ch...

Unfortunately, collision such as this, due to cars being in HGV's blind spots when they change lane seems to be a common occurance.

[MrNoisy]

Blind spot my arse. Most of these chislers bully their way out thinking they are a law to themselves. It is impossible to do a journey in this country of more than an hour without coming across some lorry weilding maniac. The police should enforce it with zero tolerence.

I have C+e and D+e so understand the need to make progress and at times 'command' the road. However, the lane changing antics of some of the current crop beggars belief.

I've said it on here before on a different thread. We are importing other countries very poor standards of driving for some reason, it shouldn't be tolerated. The commonality of foreign drivers to be drunk is alarming. The police use HGV's to nab them ffs.....

[Vipers]

Mandat said:

hyphen said:

Dashcam of a 1st lane Lorry needlessly hitting a middle lane car is in todays news. Happened yesterday. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4837058/Ch...

Unfortunately, collision such as this, due to cars being in HGV's blind spots when they change lane seems to be a common occurance.

Are Romanian vehicles left hand drive?

[Alucidnation]

MrNoisy said:

.... understand the need to make progress and at times 'command' the road.

Is that similar to 'dominating the stairs'?

[RATATTAK]

Vipers said:

Are Romanian vehicles left hand drive?

A quick Google will inform you that they drive in the middle of the road ...







only joking

[98elise]

MrNoisy said:

Blind spot my arse. Most of these chislers bully their way out thinking they are a law to themselves. It is impossible to do a journey in this country of more than an hour without coming across some lorry weilding maniac. The police should enforce it with zero tolerence.

I have C+e and D+e so understand the need to make progress and at times 'command' the road. However, the lane changing antics of some of the current crop beggars belief.

I've said it on here before on a different thread. We are importing other countries very poor standards of driving for some reason, it shouldn't be tolerated. The commonality of foreign drivers to be drunk is alarming. The police use HGV's to nab them ffs.....

Absolutely agree. I drive the M25 every day and lorry drivers just don't seem to give a crap.

Today I was approaching the Dartford Tunnel. The traffic was pretty dense so we were all moving at about 20mph nose to tail.

I was in L3 heading for the right tunnel, and a truck in L2 started indicating to move over. I slowed to allow a gap for him to pull in.

The next truck in L2 also decided he wanted to be in L3 so he started pulling into my lane. He just kept edging over trying to force me out of the way but I had nowhere to go. Eventually I had to jam the brakes and hit the horn as the front wheel nuts were about to take my mirror off.

When I got to work I fired off an email to the fleet managers contact details on their website, and got a response a few hours later just saying..."thanks for letting us know"

[Vipers]

RATATTAK said:

Vipers said:

Are Romanian vehicles left hand drive?

A quick Google will inform you that they drive in the middle of the road ...







only joking

Ha good one, just googled, seems its the right, maybe he was distracted by something on his video he was watching. I do remember some trolly busses in Tooting with a steering wheel in the middle, this was in the late 50's, whoooops digressed, back to the thread.

[King Herald]

Robertj21a said:

nonsequitur said:

I thought the minimum was 10/% + 2. So should it be 3+2=35?

That's the discretion given to the police. The actual speed limit is still the law.

Friend of mine got done for 32 in a 30, just outside Porthmadog. Local council boss told him there is a zero tolerance policy in place there.

[RATATTAK]

98elise said:

Absolutely agree. I drive the M25 every day and lorry drivers just don't seem to give a crap.

Today I was approaching the Dartford Tunnel. The traffic was pretty dense so we were all moving at about 20mph nose to tail.

I was in L3 heading for the right tunnel, and a truck in L2 started indicating to move over. I slowed to allow a gap for him to pull in.

The next truck in L2 also decided he wanted to be in L3 so he started pulling into my lane. He just kept edging over trying to force me out of the way but I had nowhere to go. Eventually I had to jam the brakes and hit the horn as the front wheel nuts were about to take my mirror off.

When I got to work I fired off an email to the fleet managers contact details on their website, and got a response a few hours later just saying..."thanks for letting us know"

Thanks for letting us know

[Fun Bus]

RATATTAK said:

98elise said:

Absolutely agree. I drive the M25 every day and lorry drivers just don't seem to give a crap.

Today I was approaching the Dartford Tunnel. The traffic was pretty dense so we were all moving at about 20mph nose to tail.

I was in L3 heading for the right tunnel, and a truck in L2 started indicating to move over. I slowed to allow a gap for him to pull in.

The next truck in L2 also decided he wanted to be in L3 so he started pulling into my lane. He just kept edging over trying to force me out of the way but I had nowhere to go. Eventually I had to jam the brakes and hit the horn as the front wheel nuts were about to take my mirror off.

When I got to work I fired off an email to the fleet managers contact details on their website, and got a response a few hours later just saying..."thanks for letting us know"

Thanks for letting us know

Could it have been a genuine mistake that was made?

[Zoobeef]

Fun Bus said:

RATATTAK said:

98elise said:

Absolutely agree. I drive the M25 every day and lorry drivers just don't seem to give a crap.

Today I was approaching the Dartford Tunnel. The traffic was pretty dense so we were all moving at about 20mph nose to tail.

I was in L3 heading for the right tunnel, and a truck in L2 started indicating to move over. I slowed to allow a gap for him to pull in.

The next truck in L2 also decided he wanted to be in L3 so he started pulling into my lane. He just kept edging over trying to force me out of the way but I had nowhere to go. Eventually I had to jam the brakes and hit the horn as the front wheel nuts were about to take my mirror off.

When I got to work I fired off an email to the fleet managers contact details on their website, and got a response a few hours later just saying..."thanks for letting us know"

Thanks for letting us know

Could it have been a genuine mistake that was made?

Getting out and swearing repeatedly in front of his kid helps. What a role model.

[anonymous-user]

Vipers said:

Are Romanian vehicles left hand drive?

Not all, more and more uk operators are exploiting loopholes in European regs that save vast amounts of money if you run Bulgarian / Romanian units over here, so long as you run in Europe a lot it's astonishing the money saved in taxes, insurance, running costs and of course wages......

[Nickyboy]

confused_buyer said:

It looks to me as if the FedEx (HGV2) truck hit something pretty large and pretty high. Would it have sustained such damage from just hitting the minibus?

Yeah, the trailer of the stationary truck in lane one.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Nickyboy said:

Yeah, the trailer of the stationary truck in lane one.

Must admit I've thought about that. Tautliner trailers will just fold like a matchbox cover, really very little structural strength in them, but the AIM trailer was a box van & more to the point, a chiller trailer, so heavier, insulated, strong internal & external walls & in all likelihood, at least one set of steel bar locators running the length of each internal wall.

Even then, the damage to the Fedex truck looks excessive to me for a corner strike to a trailer.

[mondeoman]

If you look at the crash pics, hgv2 has corner impact right on the F of Fed Ex on the roof spoiler, and pretty much equal damage across the front. It was no corner strike, pretty much full frontal.

My money is on hgv1 stopped in L1, minibus in L1 at 55ish, hgv2 right up his rump, then smack , both straight into hgv1, with only seconds to stand on the anchors for hgv2. That's why dangerous driving charge, too close.

[Yipper]

mondeoman said:

If you look at the crash pics, hgv2 has corner impact right on the F of Fed Ex on the roof spoiler, and pretty much equal damage across the front. It was no corner strike, pretty much full frontal.

My money is on hgv1 stopped in L1, minibus in L1 at 55ish, hgv2 right up his rump, then smack , both straight into hgv1, with only seconds to stand on the anchors for hgv2. That's why dangerous driving charge, too close.

Yeah, tailgating into a stopped truck looks like the most probable cause, right now.

[danllama]

Ironic that if the minibus was going faster he'd have been well away from the truck up his chuff. Maybe he even missed the parked HGV for watching HGV2 in his rear view.

Speed doesn't kill, kids, go faster!

[Robertj21a]

mondeoman said:

If you look at the crash pics, hgv2 has corner impact right on the F of Fed Ex on the roof spoiler, and pretty much equal damage across the front. It was no corner strike, pretty much full frontal.

My money is on hgv1 stopped in L1, minibus in L1 at 55ish, hgv2 right up his rump, then smack , both straight into hgv1, with only seconds to stand on the anchors for hgv2. That's why dangerous driving charge, too close.

But the photo on the very first item in this thread shows the Fedex appears to have hit the rear offside of the trailer, not straight into the back.

[SantaBarbara]

Robertj21a said:

But the photo on the very first item in this thread shows the Fedex appears to have hit the rear offside of the trailer, not straight into the back.

The mini bus may have hit the anti-submarining bars on the side of the trailer?