Three killed after being hit by a train in London.
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Roman Rhodes said:
Evidence they were doing it “just so their names would be seen”?
We've seen photos of the other tags they have produced relatively recently. We've also had the experience of a graffiti afficionado, Resolutionary, explaining the primary motivation behind most tagging of this sort
Resolutionary said:
True. But it still happens, so I assume many a tagger doesn't care for personal thoughts, public perception or people's property - we have been through this one already.
Round and round we go.
Here you've also answered why most people don't see it as a remotely bad thing that three scummy Round and round we go.
s are dead now. Good riddance to bad trash.Shakermaker said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Evidence they were doing it “just so their names would be seen”?
We've seen photos of the other tags they have produced relatively recently. We've also had the experience of a graffiti afficionado, Resolutionary, explaining the primary motivation behind most tagging of this sort
There are numerous reasons but prominent ones are seeing others do it / being encouraged by peers, and / or wanting to get your alias out there. This obviously can and does evolve in wanting your pretty mural or conscious message to be seen. Not all graffiti writers are egotistical, but presence does play a part for some. Remember that guy who used to tag 'TOX' or 'TOXIC' around London? Every year he would add the years digits so, TOX15 or TOX16. His entire purpose was to be seen, and to gain notoriety. There's also a guy called 10FOOT, who makes it his job to scale as many crazy heights as possible to put his tag / piece where no one else will go.
On the flipside, if you visit Bristol or Brighton you'll see entire houses painted with beautiful characters, scenes and messages. This mixture of approaches, techniques and legality is what I find so fascinating.
RemyMartin81D said:
Resolutionary said:
True. But it still happens, so I assume many a tagger doesn't care for personal thoughts, public perception or people's property - we have been through this one already.
Round and round we go.
Here you've also answered why most people don't see it as a remotely bad thing that three scummy Round and round we go.
s are dead now. Good riddance to bad trash.uk66fastback said:
Banksy might be viewed as 'uber-cool' by the younger set but he wouldn't be above getting my size nine up his arse if he tried dropping a silhouette on the side of my house ...
I went to visit a friend at his old man's place not long ago - he proudly pointed to the knock off Banksy canvas he picked up with the panda holding two pistols, which is right bang in the middle of his relatively opulent living room. For context, my mates dad is about the least trendy person I know. Absolute gent regardless.There is actually a cavernous divide in the graffiti community regarding Banksy, with some calling him a sell out and others mocking his lack of integrity, or reliance on stencils rather than immediate skill with a spray can.
Resolutionary said:
Moonhawk said:
Damaging other people's property is scummy, regardless of my personal thoughts on it.
True. But it still happens, so I assume many a tagger doesn't care for personal thoughts, public perception or people's property - we have been through this one already.Round and round we go.
I was simply pointing out that your 'retort' was flawed.
Roman Rhodes said:
Evidence they were doing it “just so their names would be seen”?
You need evidence to confirm that? When someone writes their own name 35 ft up for all to see?? 
Roman Rhodes said:
Evidence that this was “about peer pressure and fitting in with the other kid-ults”?
Don't be lazy go and get your own evidence. This is a car forum FFS not a Uni one based on academic work.
uk66fastback said:
Banksy might be viewed as 'uber-cool' by the younger set but he wouldn't be above getting my size nine up his arse if he tried dropping a silhouette on the side of my house ...
I find him a bit 6th form and crap. Brain Soool, god rest his soul, would have concurred. 
popeyewhite said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Evidence they were doing it “just so their names would be seen”?
You need evidence to confirm that? When someone writes their own name 35 ft up for all to see?? Roman Rhodes said:
Evidence that this was “about peer pressure and fitting in with the other kid-ults”?
Don't be lazy go and get your own evidence. This is a car forum FFS not a Uni one based on academic work.Resolutionary said:
You may not particularly care, but what you have photographed are known as 'dubs' - larger than a tag, usually more characterised / 3D lettering, but often in chrome / white / black for simplicity sake. They are effectively a tier up from tagging; still not universally accepted as 'art', but an evolution of the tag whereby some additional effort / skill is required.
A step up from this would be using colour, then characters (think about the face at Vauxhall station if you can recall), and more intricate overall work.
These photographs demonstrate the 'lowest common denominators' if you will, the basic get paint, go out, get up attitude of a slice of the graffiti demographic. Not necessarily pretty to look at, not meaningful in any way to the majority of passers by..
I totally appreciate that the sneaky nature of such citizens must have a knock on effect for those living around their activities / hot spots. I used to live near a busy junction in East London where we could see people climbing down bridges and such stuff in the late eve, and one of my neighbours would often wish them to befall harm for their stupidity.
Many of these hot spots including those you've photographed will have been embroiled in a decades-long battle for transient residency; whether it be a tag, a dub or a more prominent piece. There are hundreds if not thousands of graffiti crews across London, all vying for their chance to hit a spot that others will see. There is something objectively poetic about that, even though I know a lot of this will be lost on here.
I think I have woken up in a different universe. WTAF? You are serious?A step up from this would be using colour, then characters (think about the face at Vauxhall station if you can recall), and more intricate overall work.
These photographs demonstrate the 'lowest common denominators' if you will, the basic get paint, go out, get up attitude of a slice of the graffiti demographic. Not necessarily pretty to look at, not meaningful in any way to the majority of passers by..
I totally appreciate that the sneaky nature of such citizens must have a knock on effect for those living around their activities / hot spots. I used to live near a busy junction in East London where we could see people climbing down bridges and such stuff in the late eve, and one of my neighbours would often wish them to befall harm for their stupidity.
Many of these hot spots including those you've photographed will have been embroiled in a decades-long battle for transient residency; whether it be a tag, a dub or a more prominent piece. There are hundreds if not thousands of graffiti crews across London, all vying for their chance to hit a spot that others will see. There is something objectively poetic about that, even though I know a lot of this will be lost on here.
I suppose next you will say that the people who live or work in those flats should feel blessed that they are in such a hotbed of artistic creativity. I bet they don't though.... so ungrateful.
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Roman Rhodes said:
What a retort! Let me retrieve my socks from the other side of the room...
Oh no, blazed (apparently) by a graffiti fanboy. Whatever will I do? Guess I'll just shrug and continue laughing at your ridiculous justifications. Do keep going, it is amusing to read.
Resolutionary said:
I went to visit a friend at his old man's place not long ago - he proudly pointed to the knock off Banksy canvas he picked up with the panda holding two pistols, which is right bang in the middle of his relatively opulent living room. For context, my mates dad is about the least trendy person I know. Absolute gent regardless.
There is actually a cavernous divide in the graffiti community regarding Banksy, with some calling him a sell out and others mocking his lack of integrity, or reliance on stencils rather than immediate skill with a spray can.
Much less divide on wThere is actually a cavernous divide in the graffiti community regarding Banksy, with some calling him a sell out and others mocking his lack of integrity, or reliance on stencils rather than immediate skill with a spray can.
ksy whom dices death properly every day with his roadway ffotnotes, with te peril of the X69 Rochdale - Mancs knocking him over.Ali Chappussy said:
That looks like the trophies for the French Grand Prix winners!!
Good spot, yes Richard Olinsky did them as well... https://www.independent.ie/world-news/and-finally/...Roman Rhodes said:
popeyewhite said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Evidence they were doing it “just so their names would be seen”?
You need evidence to confirm that? When someone writes their own name 35 ft up for all to see?? Roman Rhodes said:
Evidence that this was “about peer pressure and fitting in with the other kid-ults”?
Don't be lazy go and get your own evidence. This is a car forum FFS not a Uni one based on academic work.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff