Brexit: would you change your vote.
Discussion
The Dangerous Elk said:
No you are not, every nation is a cluster F atm.
Remember, the two "Main players" in the Eu (who are directing the show lets remember) are The German/French, look how popular their leaders are. Western "Eutopian" politics is f
ked.
Ooooooo, the bogeyman is gonna get ya! Remember, the two "Main players" in the Eu (who are directing the show lets remember) are The German/French, look how popular their leaders are. Western "Eutopian" politics is f
ked.
Do you believe the Earth is flat and that NASA never landed a man on the Moon too? What other Conspiracy Theories do you subscribe to?
Sa Calobra said:
Mays gone to the EU to see if we can get the backstop sorted.
What the fk. Really. The main deal is the issue not the side show.
Am I in an alternative universe here?
I don't know what she thinks will happen. No matter what small concessions if any she gets will not be enough. What the f
k. Really. The main deal is the issue not the side show. Am I in an alternative universe here?
The MPs who want brexit will not see the deal she is offering good enough as its not brexit.
Labour have only one interest and thats destabilising the government to the point they get a general election for a chance to get in power. Even if they know that it's the best deal we are going to get they will vote against it. The SNP and others will vote against it because they don't want brexit at all.
Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Tuesday 11th December 11:48
Not-The-Messiah said:
Sa Calobra said:
Mays gone to the EU to see if we can get the backstop sorted.
What the fk. Really. The main deal is the issue not the side show.
Am I in an alternative universe here?
I don't know what she thinks will happen. No matter what small concessions if any she gets will not be enough. What the f
k. Really. The main deal is the issue not the side show. Am I in an alternative universe here?
The MPs who want brexit will not see the deal she is offering good enough as it not brexit.
Labour have only one interest and that destabilising the government to the point they get a general election for a chance to get in power. Even if they know that it's the best deal we are going to get they will vote against it. The SNP and others will vote against it because they don't want brexit at all.
Coolbanana said:
The Dangerous Elk said:
No you are not, every nation is a cluster F atm.
Remember, the two "Main players" in the Eu (who are directing the show lets remember) are The German/French, look how popular their leaders are. Western "Eutopian" politics is fked.
Ooooooo, the bogeyman is gonna get ya! Remember, the two "Main players" in the Eu (who are directing the show lets remember) are The German/French, look how popular their leaders are. Western "Eutopian" politics is f
ked.Do you believe the Earth is flat and that NASA never landed a man on the Moon too? What other Conspiracy Theories do you subscribe to?
You will be getting no reaction to your troll-like drivel from me.
Not-The-Messiah said:
I don't know what she thinks will happen. No matter what small concessions if any she gets will not be enough.
I think she has to do it though. It's an answer to those suggesting she just needs to go back with a begging bowl, they can't seriously suggest she goes back again now.She's just reducing the options list. Not a cat in hell's chance of her getting it down to one on her own but she may as well get as close as she can.
Sa Calobra said:
Germany's doing rather well!popeyewhite said:
Sa Calobra said:
Germany's doing rather well!https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-france-protests/...
Vladimir will be loving the passion and divisive anger vented on Brexit. Brilliant return on the loose change £10m PR fund channeled through Aaron Banks. Just like the cash channeled through Mannafort did to making the USA great again.
Syria, Ukraine and Yemen.....who in the UK gives a fk about chemical weapons and HR atrocities (unless they are on old blighty) as Russia quietly extends its global influence unopposed.
Politicians should stop the fakery around this issue, allow an open honest debate about the options, which now look like No deal Brexit versus Remain. A bit of shining oight and fact based reality might help reestablish some trust. Then step aside and let the people decide. The Danes, Irish (twice) and Swiss have had two referendums on EU treaties, so lets not get all frumpy ourselves. Stay or go, the majority must attempt to unify the country.
I am a BOB, Bored of Brexit. It doesnt matter because whichever way, the UK has fked itself now for a long time.
Whatever the result, PLEASE can we all start on a new topic! What next Vladimir?
Syria, Ukraine and Yemen.....who in the UK gives a f
k about chemical weapons and HR atrocities (unless they are on old blighty) as Russia quietly extends its global influence unopposed.Politicians should stop the fakery around this issue, allow an open honest debate about the options, which now look like No deal Brexit versus Remain. A bit of shining oight and fact based reality might help reestablish some trust. Then step aside and let the people decide. The Danes, Irish (twice) and Swiss have had two referendums on EU treaties, so lets not get all frumpy ourselves. Stay or go, the majority must attempt to unify the country.
I am a BOB, Bored of Brexit. It doesnt matter because whichever way, the UK has f
ked itself now for a long time.Whatever the result, PLEASE can we all start on a new topic! What next Vladimir?
May’s in an impossible position.
There’s no chance of resolving this unless MPs vote to honour the referendum rather than their own personal views.
Nothing will please everybody.
I have enormous respect for May and her determination to find a solution when everybody else has ducked it.
She’s gone from Zero to Hero for me.
Who else would have stuck with it like she has? Nobody.
She’s a remainer who is trying to deliver on the referendum result. That’s true democracy.
There’s no chance of resolving this unless MPs vote to honour the referendum rather than their own personal views.
Nothing will please everybody.
I have enormous respect for May and her determination to find a solution when everybody else has ducked it.
She’s gone from Zero to Hero for me.
Who else would have stuck with it like she has? Nobody.
She’s a remainer who is trying to deliver on the referendum result. That’s true democracy.
wilwak said:
May’s in an impossible position.
There’s no chance of resolving this unless MPs vote to honour the referendum rather than their own personal views.
Nothing will please everybody.
I have enormous respect for May and her determination to find a solution when everybody else has ducked it.
She’s gone from Zero to Hero for me.
Who else would have stuck with it like she has? Nobody.
She’s a remainder who is trying to deliver on the referendum result. That’s true democracy.
I agree..There’s no chance of resolving this unless MPs vote to honour the referendum rather than their own personal views.
Nothing will please everybody.
I have enormous respect for May and her determination to find a solution when everybody else has ducked it.
She’s gone from Zero to Hero for me.
Who else would have stuck with it like she has? Nobody.
She’s a remainder who is trying to deliver on the referendum result. That’s true democracy.
popeyewhite said:
Sa Calobra said:
Germany's doing rather well!Just how f
ked are those economies without that slight of hand, considering even with it they are looking proper fked?! Sway said:
popeyewhite said:
Sa Calobra said:
Germany's doing rather well!Just how f
ked are those economies without that slight of hand, considering even with it they are looking proper fked?! NDA said:
F1GTRUeno said:
Can anyone explain why the ability to vote in a new bunch of useless tossers that barely changes anything every 5 years makes much difference versus a bunch of unelected tossers?
You make a good point - AA Gill constructed this very argument before the referendum , he wrote "it makes not a jot of difference to you or me if the Supreme Court is a bunch of strangely out-of-touch old gits in wigs in Westminster or a load of strangely out-of-touch old gits without wigs in Luxembourg."However, many who voted out were voting on the basis of trying to halt the mission creep of the EU. What started as a laudable notion of countries in a common market being able to trade freely, morphed into the political ambitions of a federal state - that, for me, is at the centre of the debate. I don't want to be part of a super state governed by bureaucrats in Strasburg and Brussels, I really don't. Arguing that we were at the 'top table' is risible nonsense - we were completely impotent.
Control over our borders is, in practice, a bit of a sideshow - we have greater immigration from outside of the EU. However, it is the idea that we are ceding control that is troublesome. This doesn't mean Brexiteers are racist, but merely a recognition that a sovereign nation should retain control - not to reduce numbers and kick people out, but to maintain our rights over the country's borders. And this, of course, is only one element of the debate, but it's one that's taken undue prominence as Remainers reach for their Xenophobe cards.
anonymous said:
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MP's need to be recalled to their constituency offices and reminded who they are and who put them there. MP's seem to think they have a right to do what they want regardless of the views of the voters that has to change. I believe approx. 90 Labour MP's are representing leave constituencies but they are remainers and disregard the very people who elected them. We need a huge change in Politics sooner rather than laterTurbotechnic said:
Sway said:
popeyewhite said:
Sa Calobra said:
Germany's doing rather well!Just how f
ked are those economies without that slight of hand, considering even with it they are looking proper fked?! Sa Calobra said:
Mays gone to the EU to see if we can get the backstop sorted.
What the fk. Really. The main deal is the issue not the side show.
Am I in an alternative universe here?
I think we are. It's the only way I can understand why Brexiteers are now threatening to block a deal under which we will leave the EU after banging on about it for 2 years. What the f
k. Really. The main deal is the issue not the side show. Am I in an alternative universe here?
Elysium said:
Sa Calobra said:
Mays gone to the EU to see if we can get the backstop sorted.
What the fk. Really. The main deal is the issue not the side show.
Am I in an alternative universe here?
I think we are. It's the only way I can understand why Brexiteers are now threatening to block a deal under which we will leave the EU after banging on about it for 2 years. What the f
k. Really. The main deal is the issue not the side show. Am I in an alternative universe here?
Both condemned May's deal in the House of Commons on Monday, and based on what they said could only vote against the PM's plan.
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