Would you install and use an NHS Covid tracking app?

[anonymous-user]

Is it possible to change my vote?

I thought this might be a good idea but the past week or so has shown that the government can’t be trusted.

I won’t be using it.

[MrBarry123]

REALIST123 said:

Is it possible to change my vote?

I thought this might be a good idea but the past week or so has shown that the government can’t be trusted.

I won’t be using it.

I wouldn’t worry either way as it doesn’t appear the they can even get it working properly.



Absolute clowns.

There’s zero chance I’ll be downloading it. And zero chance I’ll be paying any attention to the fabled (and I believe it’ll remain largely imaginary) test, track and trace scheme either.

[Glade]

Do the apple/android services speak to each other? Or is it just tracing other users of the same operating g system?

[pip t]

Glade said:

Do the apple/android services speak to speech other? Or is it just tracing other users of the same operating g system?

They speak to each other, it works cross platform.

[M4cruiser]

Reading between the lines I'd say there are too many technical issues. We've never had a sensible answer to what phones it will or won't work on. If it won't work on any Huawei then people will be asking why we are having them help us build our 5g. ...and as for how old an Android can be .. Are the government just using the app to force us all to upgrade our phones?

[Jasandjules]

Well now I am concerned that if I get pinged I have to drive to Durham.. I don't know anyone there so that will not be great.....

[Carrot]

Will we be required to clap for the app?

[RSTurboPaul]

pip t said:

Well NHSX, ball’s in your court. Any iPhone capable of running iOS 13 can now run a privacy respecting, secure contact tracing app that works in the background properly.



For those of an Android flavour, I believe that update through Play Services is available now too.

Or, you know, we could wait till sometime in June for a half baked app that may not function properly.....

Am I understanding the first part of that screengrab correctly?

Apple FaceID is now able to identify you when you have only your eyes showing and are wearing a face mask?

I know I read that China had rolled that out in their nationwide CCTV Facial Recognition Big Brother systems (conveniently using C19 as an excuse) but do we really want to voluntarily sign up to be like China??

Especially when the founder of NHS Digital appears to think that Immunity Passports (and all the negatives and discrimination they could/will bring) are inevitable, and they are encouraging facial recognition to access the app:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52807414

[pip t]

RSTurboPaul said:

Am I understanding the first part of that screengrab correctly?

Apple FaceID is now able to identify you when you have only your eyes showing and are wearing a face mask?

I know I read that China had rolled that out in their nationwide CCTV Facial Recognition Big Brother systems (conveniently using C19 as an excuse) but do we really want to voluntarily sign up to be like China??

Especially when the founder of NHS Digital appears to think that Immunity Passports (and all the negatives and discrimination they could/will bring) are inevitable, and they are encouraging facial recognition to access the app:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52807414

No - it’s able to identify the fact that whoevers face it is is wearing a mask and dump you straight to the passcode input option rather than make more attempts at recognising your face. It just speeds it up a tiny bit.

And yes, the whole digital immunity passport facial recognition idea is rather worrying.

Edited by pip t on Sunday 31st May 22:51

[V1nce Fox]

Contact tracing has been accessed to track down protestors in USA.

That didn't take long.

[pip t]

V1nce Fox said:

Contact tracing has been accessed to track down protestors in USA.

That didn't take long.

Yup. This is why the centralised system is rather more dangerous than the decentralised system.

[tangerine_sedge]

V1nce Fox said:

Contact tracing has been accessed to track down protestors in USA.

That didn't take long.

Do you have a link to that story? I couldn't find anything relating to this, but my google-fu isn't what it once was...

[thetapeworm]

tangerine_sedge said:

V1nce Fox said:

Contact tracing has been accessed to track down protestors in USA.

That didn't take long.

Do you have a link to that story? I couldn't find anything relating to this, but my google-fu isn't what it once was...

All I can find is the use of the term "contact tracing" by US police as a mechanism to try and locate people connected to each other that have been involved in the riots / looting / protests, it appears to just be that the term has been used to relate to the process of linking people together rather than them having used an actual contract tracing system implemented for the virus.

I might be wrong though and, like you, would be keen to see any links about this.

[pip t]

https://bgr.com/2020/05/30/minnesota-protest-conta...

is the best i can find at the moment, though I’m pretty sure I’ve read it elsewhere too.

It does appear to be a generic term being used rather than reference to CV19 contact tracing apps being used for this purpose.

I’d argue it must be some kind of data driven system though - it’s unlikely protesters are happily handing over the details of friends and associates voluntarily...!

[V1nce Fox]

tangerine_sedge said:

V1nce Fox said:

Contact tracing has been accessed to track down protestors in USA.

That didn't take long.

Do you have a link to that story? I couldn't find anything relating to this, but my google-fu isn't what it once was...

Apologies for Breitbart link...

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/30/minn...

If you Google "contact tracing protesters" you should get quite a few. Try DuckDuckGo.com for less influenced results.

I can act surprised if people want, but I doubt I'll be very convincing.

[pip t]

V1nce Fox said:

Apologies for Breitbart link...

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/30/minn...

If you Google "contact tracing protesters" you should get quite a few. Try DuckDuckGo.com for less influenced results.

I can act surprised if people want, but I doubt I'll be very convincing.

What he’s refering to is fairly normal police investigative work though I’d have thought. He’s called it contact tracing because that’s the phrase of the moment, and is a fair description of it. There’s nothing in any of the reports I’ve seen that suggest misuse of data from CV19 apps to do it. That’s not to rule that out, if you have a centralised system it would be perfectly possible, but I’m not seeing any evidence of it.

[V1nce Fox]

pip t said:

V1nce Fox said:

Apologies for Breitbart link...

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/30/minn...

If you Google "contact tracing protesters" you should get quite a few. Try DuckDuckGo.com for less influenced results.

I can act surprised if people want, but I doubt I'll be very convincing.

What he’s refering to is fairly normal police investigative work though I’d have thought. He’s called it contact tracing because that’s the phrase of the moment, and is a fair description of it. There’s nothing in any of the reports I’ve seen that suggest misuse of data from CV19 apps to do it. That’s not to rule that out, if you have a centralised system it would be perfectly possible, but I’m not seeing any evidence of it.

I'll have a fiver with you they fking use it.

[RSTurboPaul]

pip t said:

RSTurboPaul said:

Am I understanding the first part of that screengrab correctly?

Apple FaceID is now able to identify you when you have only your eyes showing and are wearing a face mask?

I know I read that China had rolled that out in their nationwide CCTV Facial Recognition Big Brother systems (conveniently using C19 as an excuse) but do we really want to voluntarily sign up to be like China??

Especially when the founder of NHS Digital appears to think that Immunity Passports (and all the negatives and discrimination they could/will bring) are inevitable, and they are encouraging facial recognition to access the app:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52807414

No - it’s able to identify the fact that whoevers face it is is wearing a mask and dump you straight to the passcode input option rather than make more attempts at recognising your face. It just speeds it up a tiny bit.

And yes, the whole digital immunity passport facial recognition idea is rather worrying.

Edited by pip t on Sunday 31st May 22:51

Ah, cool, thanks for the confirmation!

[tangerine_sedge]

pip t said:

What he’s refering to is fairly normal police investigative work though I’d have thought. He’s called it contact tracing because that’s the phrase of the moment, and is a fair description of it. There’s nothing in any of the reports I’ve seen that suggest misuse of data from CV19 apps to do it. That’s not to rule that out, if you have a centralised system it would be perfectly possible, but I’m not seeing any evidence of it.

I'm reading it the same way, at a push they'll be looking at mobile call/message logs and building a network of interest that way.

What was more worrying were the messages at the bottom of the breitbart article

[glazbagun]

pip t said:

V1nce Fox said:

Apologies for Breitbart link...

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/30/minn...

If you Google "contact tracing protesters" you should get quite a few. Try DuckDuckGo.com for less influenced results.

I can act surprised if people want, but I doubt I'll be very convincing.

What he’s refering to is fairly normal police investigative work though I’d have thought. He’s called it contact tracing because that’s the phrase of the moment, and is a fair description of it. There’s nothing in any of the reports I’ve seen that suggest misuse of data from CV19 apps to do it. That’s not to rule that out, if you have a centralised system it would be perfectly possible, but I’m not seeing any evidence of it.

Police in the states have used dragnets of app location data already:

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/7/21169533/florida...