Will you continue to wear a mask in public after Jan 27th?

[Ari]

Biker 1 said:

I had an interesting discussion with a relative last night over supper. She said she was only carrying on with the mask theatrics in supermarkets to 'reassure others who are obviously scared', despite the fact that she is triple vaxxed & had covid over Christmas so highly unlikely to be a super spreader. I asked how long she would continue but the answer was 'when everybody else stops wearing them'.
This going round in circles with some piece of old rag on your bonce is getting somewhat ridiculous now.

This is the most bizarre of all the myriad of mask wearer's 'logic', it makes no sense whatsoever! What's more reassuring to the 'obviously scared', everyone masked up like we're living in a horror movie, or people happily going about their normal business in a normal way?

It is astonishing the mental gymnastics some people achieve to justify carrying on the mask pantomime.

The psychology of the committed masker is truly fascinating.

[S600BSB]

Ari said:

Lotusgone said:

I agree with Ari. Where were your masks when, in 2019, over 26000 died of flu & pneumonia in the UK? (Office of National Statistics, if you're interested)

Exactly!

But of course mask wearing wasn't a religion in 2019, if you'd suggested wearing one in a supermarket back then, all the people wearing them now would have been baffled at the notion.

Incredible how easily lead some people are.

Are you suggesting mask wearing would have made sense back then given the rate of mortality associated with the strain of flu that year?

Interesting that there has been very little flu around in the period people have been wearing masks indoors in crowded spaces and also paying greater attention to personal hygiene and space. Another benefit I guess.

[thiscocks]

Nickgnome said:

garyhun said:

Maybe some have resentment but I would suggest that for many it’s a difficulty in understanding why anyone would want to continue the farce that they make any difference in the real world.

In addition you have genuine concern for those that continue to wear them due to being scared senseless for the post two years by the various behavioural nudge units.

Except of course in other parts of the globe mask wearing at certain times is taken as a considerate behaviour and does not attract the opprobrium and even abuse that some here like to dish out.

When those largely far Eastern visitors come to our shores most just accept their behaviours. It's a pity that some here cannot.

Yes because those countries are usually populations highly controlled by governments and are much less free societies than the UK. Its a pity people who have lived in the UK their whole lives now suddenly think its normal behaviour to act like we live in a less free society.

[Brave Fart]

Biker 1 said:

I had an interesting discussion with a relative last night over supper. She said she was only carrying on with the mask theatrics in supermarkets to 'reassure others who are obviously scared', despite the fact that she is triple vaxxed & had covid over Christmas so highly unlikely to be a super spreader. I asked how long she would continue but the answer was 'when everybody else stops wearing them'.

For clarity, people can, of course, do what they like with their masks. But I reserve the right to have my opinion on their actions.

This "I'll do what others are doing" reasoning is something I often hear. As you say, it makes no sense. Because unless the large majority of mask wearers spontaneously decide to stop wearing them, it'll never end.

It's also rather disappointing. Whatever happened to thinking for yourself? I respect someone who says "I have made my own decision to wear/ditch a mask and to take/decline the vaccine. My reasons are X, Y and Z." Fine. But as for your relative, Biker 1, my reaction is "Baaaaaaa"..........

[S600BSB]

Brave Fart said:

Biker 1 said:

I had an interesting discussion with a relative last night over supper. She said she was only carrying on with the mask theatrics in supermarkets to 'reassure others who are obviously scared', despite the fact that she is triple vaxxed & had covid over Christmas so highly unlikely to be a super spreader. I asked how long she would continue but the answer was 'when everybody else stops wearing them'.

For clarity, people can, of course, do what they like with their masks. But I reserve the right to have my opinion on their actions.

This "I'll do what others are doing" reasoning is something I often hear. As you say, it makes no sense. Because unless the large majority of mask wearers spontaneously decide to stop wearing them, it'll never end.

It's also rather disappointing. Whatever happened to thinking for yourself? I respect someone who says "I have made my own decision to wear/ditch a mask and to take/decline the vaccine. My reasons are X, Y and Z." Fine. But as for your relative, Biker 1, my reaction is "Baaaaaaa"..........

Whatever happened to letting people make their own choices about what they think is right for their communities and families etc? It's up to them! Do what you want (within the legal framework) and stop judging others.

[Biker 1]

Brave Fart said:

But as for your relative, Biker 1, my reaction is "Baaaaaaa"..........

My thoughts exactly!

She is degree educated & certainly not stupid, but logic seems to have left the building. I was surprised at how emotional she got during the debate - I was referred to as an antivax far right covid denier at one point; apparently freedom of choice is not allowed 'coz 'the greater good' of totally eliminating covid through masks etc. She simply would not accept that covid is endemic & here to stay............

[Nickgnome]

thiscocks said:

Nickgnome said:

garyhun said:

Maybe some have resentment but I would suggest that for many it’s a difficulty in understanding why anyone would want to continue the farce that they make any difference in the real world.

In addition you have genuine concern for those that continue to wear them due to being scared senseless for the post two years by the various behavioural nudge units.

Except of course in other parts of the globe mask wearing at certain times is taken as a considerate behaviour and does not attract the opprobrium and even abuse that some here like to dish out.

When those largely far Eastern visitors come to our shores most just accept their behaviours. It's a pity that some here cannot.

Yes because those countries are usually populations highly controlled by governments and are much less free societies than the UK. Its a pity people who have lived in the UK their whole lives now suddenly think its normal behaviour to act like we live in a less free society.

Then one would fully expect when away from their country they would abandon said masks.

You are of course completely wrong. South Korea , Japan and Singapore are democracies.

Maybe they are just less selfish and more considerate of others.

[S600BSB]

Biker 1 said:

Brave Fart said:

But as for your relative, Biker 1, my reaction is "Baaaaaaa"..........

My thoughts exactly!

She is degree educated & certainly not stupid, but logic seems to have left the building. I was surprised at how emotional she got during the debate - I was referred to as an antivax far right covid denier at one point; apparently freedom of choice is not allowed 'coz 'the greater good' of totally eliminating covid through masks etc. She simply would not accept that covid is endemic & here to stay............

Do you regularly post about your relatives in this disparaging way on public forums?

[CrutyRammers]

S600BSB said:

Brave Fart said:

Biker 1 said:

I had an interesting discussion with a relative last night over supper. She said she was only carrying on with the mask theatrics in supermarkets to 'reassure others who are obviously scared', despite the fact that she is triple vaxxed & had covid over Christmas so highly unlikely to be a super spreader. I asked how long she would continue but the answer was 'when everybody else stops wearing them'.

For clarity, people can, of course, do what they like with their masks. But I reserve the right to have my opinion on their actions.

This "I'll do what others are doing" reasoning is something I often hear. As you say, it makes no sense. Because unless the large majority of mask wearers spontaneously decide to stop wearing them, it'll never end.

It's also rather disappointing. Whatever happened to thinking for yourself? I respect someone who says "I have made my own decision to wear/ditch a mask and to take/decline the vaccine. My reasons are X, Y and Z." Fine. But as for your relative, Biker 1, my reaction is "Baaaaaaa"..........

Whatever happened to letting people make their own choices about what they think is right for their communities and families etc? It's up to them! Do what you want (within the legal framework) and stop judging others.

He's absolutely letting people make their own choices. He's pointing out that choices come with consequences, in this case, the opinion formed about them. I thought the pro maskers were all big on "choices having consequences" when it came to excluding people from swathes of every day life. But not, it seems, when the boot is on the other foot.

[anonymous-user]

Nickgnome said:

thiscocks said:

Nickgnome said:

garyhun said:

Maybe some have resentment but I would suggest that for many it’s a difficulty in understanding why anyone would want to continue the farce that they make any difference in the real world.

In addition you have genuine concern for those that continue to wear them due to being scared senseless for the post two years by the various behavioural nudge units.

Except of course in other parts of the globe mask wearing at certain times is taken as a considerate behaviour and does not attract the opprobrium and even abuse that some here like to dish out.

When those largely far Eastern visitors come to our shores most just accept their behaviours. It's a pity that some here cannot.

Yes because those countries are usually populations highly controlled by governments and are much less free societies than the UK. Its a pity people who have lived in the UK their whole lives now suddenly think its normal behaviour to act like we live in a less free society.

Then one would fully expect when away from their country they would abandon said masks.

You are of course completely wrong. South Korea , Japan and Singapore are democracies.

Maybe they are just less selfish and more considerate of others.

It’s been discussed on numerous occasions that certain countries, Japan is the one that I have personal experience of, have a completely different set of cultural norms to us. In Japan, for instance, if you believe you have a cold, you wear a mask so as not to spread to others.

Comparing Japanese behaviour to that of a UK citizen is a pointless exercise.

[Nickgnome]

garyhun said:

It’s been discussed on numerous occasions that certain countries, Japan is the one that I have personal experience of, have a completely different set of cultural norms to us. In Japan, for instance, if you believe you have a cold, you wear a mask so as not to spread to others.

Comparing Japanese behaviour to that of a UK citizen is a pointless exercise.

Why is it pointless?

Should we not try and learn from a country or counties which adopt a more civilised approach to society.

[S600BSB]

garyhun said:

Nickgnome said:

thiscocks said:

Nickgnome said:

garyhun said:

Maybe some have resentment but I would suggest that for many it’s a difficulty in understanding why anyone would want to continue the farce that they make any difference in the real world.

In addition you have genuine concern for those that continue to wear them due to being scared senseless for the post two years by the various behavioural nudge units.

Except of course in other parts of the globe mask wearing at certain times is taken as a considerate behaviour and does not attract the opprobrium and even abuse that some here like to dish out.

When those largely far Eastern visitors come to our shores most just accept their behaviours. It's a pity that some here cannot.

Yes because those countries are usually populations highly controlled by governments and are much less free societies than the UK. Its a pity people who have lived in the UK their whole lives now suddenly think its normal behaviour to act like we live in a less free society.

Then one would fully expect when away from their country they would abandon said masks.

You are of course completely wrong. South Korea , Japan and Singapore are democracies.

Maybe they are just less selfish and more considerate of others.

It’s been discussed on numerous occasions that certain countries, Japan is the one that I have personal experience of, have a completely different set of cultural norms to us. In Japan, for instance, if you believe you have a cold, you wear a mask so as not to spread to others.

Comparing Japanese behaviour to that of a UK citizen is a pointless exercise.

Bit of a tangent, but any thought on buying a car imported from Japan (BMW in this case)? Seem to be some fantastically well looked after imports for sale at the moment.

[monthou]

CrutyRammers said:

He's absolutely letting people make their own choices. He's pointing out that choices come with consequences, in this case, the opinion formed about them. I thought the pro maskers were all big on "choices having consequences" when it came to excluding people from swathes of every day life. But not, it seems, when the boot is on the other foot.

We all judge. We are all judged.
I can live with someone judging me because I wear a mask in the supermarket. Or because I don't, depending on what others are doing.
Right now I'd say my supermarket behaviour is driven more by manners than anything else. I appreciate that makes me a sheeple in some eyes, but as I say I can live with that. Hey-ho.

[thiscocks]

Nickgnome said:

garyhun said:

It’s been discussed on numerous occasions that certain countries, Japan is the one that I have personal experience of, have a completely different set of cultural norms to us. In Japan, for instance, if you believe you have a cold, you wear a mask so as not to spread to others.

Comparing Japanese behaviour to that of a UK citizen is a pointless exercise.

Why is it pointless?

Should we not try and learn from a country or counties which adopt a more civilised approach to society.

Well then you would have to have some sound reasoning as to how wearing a bit of cloth over your face points to a more civilised approach to society. I'd imagine it's generally deemed completely antisocial to cover your face in public.

[Brave Fart]

S600BSB said:

Whatever happened to letting people make their own choices about what they think is right for their communities and families etc? It's up to them! Do what you want (within the legal framework) and stop judging others.

Perhaps you misunderstood what I wrote. I specifically said that I respect people's choices where they've factored in their own circumstances. IIRC you have said you'll continue to wear a mask because you perceive infection rates to be too high. Fine.

What I'm disappointed by is people who wear a mask "because everyone else is". I just think that's rather feeble, and betrays a lack of independent thought. I know it's judging others, but 1) I wouldn't ever say anything/tut/glare/mutter to mask wearers (I'm very polite in real life), and 2) we all judge others all the time, if we're honest.

[S600BSB]

Brave Fart said:

S600BSB said:

Whatever happened to letting people make their own choices about what they think is right for their communities and families etc? It's up to them! Do what you want (within the legal framework) and stop judging others.

Perhaps you misunderstood what I wrote. I specifically said that I respect people's choices where they've factored in their own circumstances. IIRC you have said you'll continue to wear a mask because you perceive infection rates to be too high. Fine.

What I'm disappointed by is people who wear a mask "because everyone else is". I just think that's rather feeble, and betrays a lack of independent thought. I know it's judging others, but 1) I wouldn't ever say anything/tut/glare/mutter to mask wearers (I'm very polite in real life), and 2) we all judge others all the time, if we're honest.

Fair enough.

[Nickgnome]

thiscocks said:

Well then you would have to have some sound reasoning as to how wearing a bit of cloth over your face points to a more civilised approach to society. I'd imagine it's generally deemed completely antisocial to cover your face in public.

Personally i have been wearing a properly fitting mask not a piece of cloth, so I assume you are speaking about yourself.

What I or others do now should be of no concern of yours.

Hundreds of thousands of people wear masks every day over the globe for several reasons. For whatever reason they do not seem to have the issues that people here seem to have.

Apart from flying you are free not to wear one.

I am completely content with my decision and am not obliged to explain to you anything.

[Countdown]

Nickgnome said:

garyhun said:

It’s been discussed on numerous occasions that certain countries, Japan is the one that I have personal experience of, have a completely different set of cultural norms to us. In Japan, for instance, if you believe you have a cold, you wear a mask so as not to spread to others.

Comparing Japanese behaviour to that of a UK citizen is a pointless exercise.

Why is it pointless?

Should we not try and learn from a country or counties which adopt a more civilised approach to society.

Maybe the japanese concept of politeness and good manners is something which is too alien to British nature?

[Nickgnome]

Countdown said:

Maybe the japanese concept of politeness and good manners is something which is too alien to British nature?

Possibly but fortunately not everyone in the UK are like some of the more vocal posters on PH.

[bodhi]

Personally I find it far better manners to cover your mouth with a hand when you cough, keep distance from clearly vulnerable people and to stay at home and keep my germs to myself if I'm ill than to wear a piece of ineffectual cloth over my face, but maybe that's just me.

Helps when talking to those with hearing impairments as well, as I can testify - if you speak to me in a mask, all you'll get is a blank look as I can't understand a bloody word you are saying.