another abuse gang

[Digga]

Ridgemont said:

Newsnight particularly shocking.

Rochdale social services still refusing to cooperate.
This activity is still ongoing.
Care system still a shambles.
Governmental research on cultural problems within the Pakistani community unpublished (though there was plenty of indication that it was not restricted to that community from the profile of those so far convicted).
Lack of budget/resources for this.

I suspect we’ll be seeing this effluent a decade from now unless these are addressed.

Given the very widespread focus on this issue, all of the above is an utter disgrace. Yet again, PS completely immune from the consequences of their incompetence and complicity.

In the case of Rochdale, emergency measures should be taken, as clearly the social services are incapable of making progress. It's not like they haven't already had the time.

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Digga said:

Ridgemont said:

Newsnight particularly shocking.

Rochdale social services still refusing to cooperate.
This activity is still ongoing.
Care system still a shambles.
Governmental research on cultural problems within the Pakistani community unpublished (though there was plenty of indication that it was not restricted to that community from the profile of those so far convicted).
Lack of budget/resources for this.

I suspect we’ll be seeing this effluent a decade from now unless these are addressed.

Given the very widespread focus on this issue, all of the above is an utter disgrace. Yet again, PS completely immune from the consequences of their incompetence and complicity.

In the case of Rochdale, emergency measures should be taken, as clearly the social services are incapable of making progress. It's not like they haven't already had the time.

Looking at the whole debacle I honestly think it is time for a central government focus on Rochdale, social services and local police do not have the resource to tackle the issues, also they seem to be in denial and refuse to accept there is a cultural issue for fear of appearing racist.
I don't apply ethnicity to any aspect of life. The filter they should be using is guilt regardless of gender age or race and they seem incapable.

[Digga]

The problem is, according to the former chief prosecutor of the NW, Nazir Afzal, central government was complicit:



There needs to be a broader enquiry with real accountability, as well as an immediate intervention in the case of Rochdale.

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Digga said:

The problem is, according to the former chief prosecutor of the NW, Nazir Afzal, central government was complicit:



There needs to be a broader enquiry with real accountability, as well as an immediate intervention in the case of Rochdale.

If true then the authors of that circular and those who authorised it need investigating.
It would explain the lack of action for the last decade.
Presumably sent through official channels so should not be difficult to trace the instigator.
I wont be holding my breath mind.

[Digga]

Not as clearcut it seems, but interesting nonetheless: https://twitter.com/nazirafzal/status/114821799604...

From the archives: https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/2013012...

ETA: Nazir Afzal himself on R4 interview : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNmyMc26YUc&fe...

Skip to 2mins 5seconds for the salient point regarding the Home Office memo, although the whole of his interview is well worth a listen.

Edited by Digga on Wednesday 15th January 10:42

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Digga said:

Not as clearcut it seems, but interesting nonetheless: https://twitter.com/nazirafzal/status/114821799604...

From the archives: https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/2013012...

ETA: Nazir Afzal himself on R4 interview : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNmyMc26YUc&fe...

Skip to 2mins 5seconds for the salient point regarding the Home Office memo, although the whole of his interview is well worth a listen.

Edited by Digga on Wednesday 15th January 10:42

Interesting interview, checking out the archive of home office circulars however does not bear out his claim, plus he appears to be backpedalling with Miss Smith on twitter.
Which poses a question.
Is he correct in his comment and the archive is selective in which circulars it shows or is he full of st and the circular didn't happen.

[Digga]

stitched said:

Digga said:

Not as clearcut it seems, but interesting nonetheless: https://twitter.com/nazirafzal/status/114821799604...

From the archives: https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/2013012...

ETA: Nazir Afzal himself on R4 interview : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNmyMc26YUc&fe...

Skip to 2mins 5seconds for the salient point regarding the Home Office memo, although the whole of his interview is well worth a listen.

Edited by Digga on Wednesday 15th January 10:42

Interesting interview, checking out the archive of home office circulars however does not bear out his claim, plus he appears to be backpedalling with Miss Smith on twitter.
Which poses a question.
Is he correct in his comment and the archive is selective in which circulars it shows or is he full of st and the circular didn't happen.

Agree, I do wonder.

However, in the overall picture, Afzal is indisputably, the 'good guy' -one of the best - in all of this. There is no doubting his influence in getting these matters recognised and investigated. One wonders if something might not have been swept under the carpet, because he does not appear the sort to be given to hyperbole or exaggeration.

[Bigends]

stitched said:

Digga said:

Not as clearcut it seems, but interesting nonetheless: https://twitter.com/nazirafzal/status/114821799604...

From the archives: https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/2013012...

ETA: Nazir Afzal himself on R4 interview : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNmyMc26YUc&fe...

Skip to 2mins 5seconds for the salient point regarding the Home Office memo, although the whole of his interview is well worth a listen.

Edited by Digga on Wednesday 15th January 10:42

Interesting interview, checking out the archive of home office circulars however does not bear out his claim, plus he appears to be backpedalling with Miss Smith on twitter.
Which poses a question.
Is he correct in his comment and the archive is selective in which circulars it shows or is he full of st and the circular didn't happen.

That document , if it existed would have been circulated to all 43 Police forces. I wonder what level of officers / staff within the Police would have had knowledge and why there havent been any leaks of that document

[rscott]

stitched said:

Digga said:

Not as clearcut it seems, but interesting nonetheless: https://twitter.com/nazirafzal/status/114821799604...

From the archives: https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/2013012...

ETA: Nazir Afzal himself on R4 interview : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNmyMc26YUc&fe...

Skip to 2mins 5seconds for the salient point regarding the Home Office memo, although the whole of his interview is well worth a listen.

Edited by Digga on Wednesday 15th January 10:42

Interesting interview, checking out the archive of home office circulars however does not bear out his claim, plus he appears to be backpedalling with Miss Smith on twitter.
Which poses a question.
Is he correct in his comment and the archive is selective in which circulars it shows or is he full of st and the circular didn't happen.

His article here - https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/i-prosecuted-rochdale-ch... - is interesting reading.

[dudleybloke]

" West Midlands Police chief Dave Thompson 'doesn't remember' Manchester grooming gangs investigation.

Greater Manchester Police launched Operation Augusta to tackle street grooming by Asian males before the programme was abruptly closed down by senior officers in 2004."


https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-new...

[Digga]

rscott said:

stitched said:

Digga said:

Not as clearcut it seems, but interesting nonetheless: https://twitter.com/nazirafzal/status/114821799604...

From the archives: https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/2013012...

ETA: Nazir Afzal himself on R4 interview : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNmyMc26YUc&fe...

Skip to 2mins 5seconds for the salient point regarding the Home Office memo, although the whole of his interview is well worth a listen.

Edited by Digga on Wednesday 15th January 10:42

Interesting interview, checking out the archive of home office circulars however does not bear out his claim, plus he appears to be backpedalling with Miss Smith on twitter.
Which poses a question.
Is he correct in his comment and the archive is selective in which circulars it shows or is he full of st and the circular didn't happen.

His article here - https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/i-prosecuted-rochdale-ch... - is interesting reading.

As I said before, this is not some 'bloke down the pub' and his claims carry great weight IMHO.

[ceesvdelst]

He certainly does and his reflection on what the far right did later on is disgusting, this man actually took these sons of bhes to task and convicted them, realised what they were doing and saw between the lines. Beyond the "we can't be done we are protected by racism aren't we clever"

I am not a parent, have no real role to play in this, other than living in Luton, a town where I am convinced this goes on, and am sure it will be in the news one day as it has been in other large Muslim urban areas.

I do feel this man has a good point, the night economy, as I say I live in Luton, cab drivers everywhere coz of the crappy airport, the majority Asian, you know it must be going on, as is probably Eastern European slavery and prostitution on a grand scale. I see weird things happen all the time, yet nothing ever seems to happen, are they in too many powerful positions here now for it to matter? Is that the goal?

One thing is for sure, these men seem to think young white females are there to exploit, we all know why, and maybe some are complicit, but they are certainly groomed and targeted.

[carinaman]

Thanks for the links. The Home Office has been out of control and behaving like they're above the law for a while.

[Transmitter Man]

rscott said:

He's in court over a football banning order because he took offence at what someone said to him and punched them. He wasn't physically threatened at all, but still took a swing anyway.

Also back in court because he's being sued for libel. Could cost his several hundred thousand.

Oh and he failed in his bid to sue the police after refusing to leave a pub - that cost him £25k or so.

RSC,

Your quotes are skewed versions of the truth..

I guess you in no way like the man.

[rscott]

Transmitter Man said:

rscott said:

He's in court over a football banning order because he took offence at what someone said to him and punched them. He wasn't physically threatened at all, but still took a swing anyway.

Also back in court because he's being sued for libel. Could cost his several hundred thousand.

Oh and he failed in his bid to sue the police after refusing to leave a pub - that cost him £25k or so.

RSC,

Your quotes are skewed versions of the truth..

I guess you in no way like the man.

They're all accurate - if you really want I can link to news reports of them.

And to reports of him defending a child abuser friend of his.

And his convictions for fraud, for attempting to enter a country with someone else's passport, etc.

You're correct, I don't like him. He has no respect for our legal system and has done nothing to help these victims. He's just used their suffering to line his own pockets.

[jakesmith]

Front page of the Times today has a disturbing article where a senior police officer from Rotherham admits that his force had a policy of ignoring Pakistani gangs grooming and raping children, for decades, due to racial concerns. Shocking stuff.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/police-chi...

[Alpinestars]

jakesmith said:

Front page of the Times today has a disturbing article where a senior police officer from Rotherham admits that his force had a policy of ignoring Pakistani gangs grooming and raping children, for decades, due to racial concerns. Shocking stuff.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/police-chi...

Staggeringly bad all round. I wonder what other crimes go unchallenged because of similar concerns.

[rambo19]

jakesmith said:

Front page of the Times today has a disturbing article where a senior police officer from Rotherham admits that his force had a policy of ignoring Pakistani gangs grooming and raping children, for decades, due to racial concerns. Shocking stuff.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/police-chi...

Sad thing is, i'm not shocked.
Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson been going on about it for years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d613MThaGgM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs5GaH7RNAI

[Countdown]

rambo19 said:

Sad thing is, i'm not shocked.
Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson been going on about it for years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d613MThaGgM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs5GaH7RNAI

IIRC Anne Cryer was one of the first to try and expose them.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/people/ann-cr...

I think Nick and Tommy got involved much later when it transpired that most of the perpetrators were asian muslims. You would have to be a complete idiot to think that their involvement had anything to do with protecting white girls and nothing to do with their political agenda.

[Thales]

Countdown said:

IIRC Anne Cryer was one of the first to try and expose them.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/people/ann-cr...

I think Nick and Tommy got involved much later when it transpired that most of the perpetrators were asian muslims. You would have to be a complete idiot to think that their involvement had anything to do with protecting white girls and nothing to do with their political agenda.

Who cares what their agenda is? Expose the animals by any means possible. Scum.