How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 9)
Discussion
Andy20vt said:
With just a quick scan I can see/count at least 9 people of ethnicity in that photo so I've really no idea what on earth you are on about.
Do you have a memory of a Goldfish??You were basically stating the Leavers march was a racist one.
So are remain racist then going with the picture??
9 people
ElectricSoup said:
andymadmak said:
Personally, I was happy with exit on WTO terms with a 2 year transition period.
OMFG you have to be kidding. How many times does it have to be said that if we leave without a deal with the EU, there will be no transition? Transition only applies in the event of a DEAL with the EU. Not WTO, or whatever other disingenuous term you want to come up with for Catastrof
k Brexit.Jesus Christ.
If nothing else, it would have likely been a far more effective negotiating position for the UK to adopt than the one that has got us into the mess we are in now.
Now, do you have any more questions or are you just going to continue with being sweaty and abusive?
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Andy20vt said:
Has anyone else noticed the lack of ethnic minorities or 'non-white' on Nigels little pub crawl?
From the video I watched this morning it seemed to be made up entirely of white people of middle age or older?
Coincidence?
You were saying Andy??From the video I watched this morning it seemed to be made up entirely of white people of middle age or older?
Coincidence?
This will keep you busy.
Other trend that's apparent with these photos you are posting is the age of the people. Average age must be at least 20 years younger than Nigel's march. I didn't know if you wanted me to spot that?
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Andy20vt said:
Has anyone else noticed the lack of ethnic minorities or 'non-white' on Nigels little pub crawl?
From the video I watched this morning it seemed to be made up entirely of white people of middle age or older?
Coincidence?
Sorry, what?From the video I watched this morning it seemed to be made up entirely of white people of middle age or older?
Coincidence?
Can you explain what you mean by coincidence.
Thats a genuine question, what on earth are you on about.
If you have the slightest shred of self respect you should explain what you mean more clearly to everyone who's reading your posts, leave or remain.
However I think we can judge the quality of your spine by the expected silence or evasion......
What was that about "leave extremism" you posted earlier, what a pathetic individual.
It is quite clear what sleigh he meant to apply to the leave campaign but he doesn’t have the integrity to own up to it. Thankfully there are some remain voters of integrity posting here who do have something to contribute.
ElectricSoup said:
Dr Jekyll said:
oyster said:
This is a very good question, but one that both sides of the debate need to be asking.
With a result of 52/48 it was no mandate for a seismic shift.
Concession/compromise - should have been the order of the day from 24th June 2016 onward. That we've been unable to do this as a nation is what is most embarrassing.
We have to Brexit, that is not up for debate. Leave won the referendum.
After that though, a compromise needed to be found. It might still be found, if MPs can pull their fingers out.
So if the vote had been 52/48 the other way then what compromises would there be?With a result of 52/48 it was no mandate for a seismic shift.
Concession/compromise - should have been the order of the day from 24th June 2016 onward. That we've been unable to do this as a nation is what is most embarrassing.
We have to Brexit, that is not up for debate. Leave won the referendum.
After that though, a compromise needed to be found. It might still be found, if MPs can pull their fingers out.
But oh no, not good enough. You couldn't accept the copious, massive compromises as enough. Nasty nasty foreigners telling us what to do.
Give me strength.
For many people, the EU is just about trade, and a long term vision of political 'ever closer' union. Few people would probably object to trading arrangements if they were just like the EEC used to be but many more might object to ever closer union, and being dictated to by other countries.
Can you understand that ?
Andy20vt said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Andy20vt said:
Has anyone else noticed the lack of ethnic minorities or 'non-white' on Nigels little pub crawl?
From the video I watched this morning it seemed to be made up entirely of white people of middle age or older?
Coincidence?
You were saying Andy??From the video I watched this morning it seemed to be made up entirely of white people of middle age or older?
Coincidence?
This will keep you busy.
Other trend that's apparent with these photos you are posting is the age of the people. Average age must be at least 20 years younger than Nigel's march. I didn't know if you wanted me to spot that?
ElectricSoup said:
OMFG you have to be kidding. How many times does it have to be said that if we leave without a deal with the EU, there will be no transition? Transition only applies in the event of a DEAL with the EU. Not WTO, or whatever other disingenuous term you want to come up with for Catastrofk Brexit.
Jesus Christ.
Thats not the full story though. There is nothing stopping the UK and EU agreeing to an interim agreement under GATT article 24. You could call that a transition to an FTA. It would benefit both sides so there seems no reason that it wouldnt happen.k Brexit.Jesus Christ.
andymadmak said:
ElectricSoup said:
andymadmak said:
Personally, I was happy with exit on WTO terms with a 2 year transition period.
OMFG you have to be kidding. How many times does it have to be said that if we leave without a deal with the EU, there will be no transition? Transition only applies in the event of a DEAL with the EU. Not WTO, or whatever other disingenuous term you want to come up with for Catastrofk Brexit.Jesus Christ.
If nothing else, it would have likely been a far more effective negotiating position for the UK to adopt than the one that has got us into the mess we are in now.
Now, do you have any more questions or are you just going to continue with being sweaty and abusive?
Please be accurate in your comments.
You may have voted on the desire you describe, but that is not what the official Vote Leave campaigned on. They told us that a deal would be negotiated before any legal process to leave was initiated.
So you voted for something nobody was offering. There's a word for that.
Andy20vt said:
Nice selective photo choice there but at first glance still at least 4 people of ethnicity. Perhaps if you crop the image to your liking you can zoom in on an area of just white people?
Other trend that's apparent with these photos you are posting is the age of the people. Average age must be at least 20 years younger than Nigel's march. I didn't know if you wanted me to spot that?
Utter tripe.Other trend that's apparent with these photos you are posting is the age of the people. Average age must be at least 20 years younger than Nigel's march. I didn't know if you wanted me to spot that?
It was the first picture taken off Google on a pro remain site.
Remainers are taking along their children who clearly have no idea why they are there and are too young to vote.
Hold this son/daughter and look sad
andymadmak said:
So the answer to the dishonesty of UK Europhile politicians over the years is to let them continue? At least we can expose them and chuck them out at an election. There is a massive democratic deficit within the EU structure that specifically serves to advantage those who support the project and neuter those who object to it.
I'm really unclear as to how you got to that position from my post.The answer to the dishonesty of UK Europhile politicians is to engage with the political process and chuck them out at an election, exactly as you say. That can be achieved while we are in or out of the EU, it does not rely on the condition of leaving first.
Every time someone raises the 'democratic deficit', I find myself shaking my head. The two institutions of the EU which have final approval on lawmaking are either directly elected, or are the representative of direct election. The main 'deficit' appears to be that due to the larger electorate and larger number of MEPs, that our representatives are a smaller voice in the crowd. This does not make it less democratic.
Instead of leaning in to the EU democratic structures and using them to effect change, you seem to be proposing we walk away, and then rely on our UK Parliament (the very Parliament you seem to distrust as Europhile politicians who will be dishonest and give away the rebate/veto) not to sign trade agreements which the electorate will have absolutely no control over which favour the EU.
If you don't like the way the UK is engaging with Europe, it is within your hands to change it without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
ElectricSoup said:
OMFG you have to be kidding. How many times does it have to be said that if we leave without a deal with the EU, there will be no transition? Transition only applies in the event of a DEAL with the EU. Not WTO, or whatever other disingenuous term you want to come up with for Catastrofk Brexit.
Jesus Christ.
2 years to sort out leaving on WTO. k Brexit.Jesus Christ.
But you knew what he meant.
s2art said:
ElectricSoup said:
OMFG you have to be kidding. How many times does it have to be said that if we leave without a deal with the EU, there will be no transition? Transition only applies in the event of a DEAL with the EU. Not WTO, or whatever other disingenuous term you want to come up with for Catastrofk Brexit.
Jesus Christ.
Thats not the full story though. There is nothing stopping the UK and EU agreeing to an interim agreement under GATT article 24. You could call that a transition to an FTA. It would benefit both sides so there seems no reason that it wouldnt happen.k Brexit.Jesus Christ.
~ *adds to ignore list*
Edited by ElectricSoup on Monday 25th March 14:07
ElectricSoup said:
Ah, a GATT24ist. Hello.
Ignoring the commons library? If so you lose credibility.- adds to ignore list*
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/brexit/no-dea...
Andy20vt said:
Back when the original referendum happened, if we'd have put before the people three choices, Remain, a Norway + style Leave, or a No Deal Leave, you can be sure that Remain and Norway + would have cleaned up and both would have been the front runners. Only a minority ever wanted No Deal.
It has been proven time and time again that most Leave voters still wanted to stay close to the EU. Hard Brexit is only something ever dreamt up by the likes of The BNP, EDL, Britain First, UKIP, and by those on the Far Right of the Conservative Party.
Utter garbage. Norway is not of interest to leavers or remainers, it would have been in third place by a mile. If you'd said a Canada style leave then I would have agreed with you.It has been proven time and time again that most Leave voters still wanted to stay close to the EU. Hard Brexit is only something ever dreamt up by the likes of The BNP, EDL, Britain First, UKIP, and by those on the Far Right of the Conservative Party.
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