Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)

[Troubleatmill]

///ajd said:

Believe me?

You do come up with some guff analogies.


Let's try this one.

The person you love dearest needs brain surgery.
Will you entrust them with a qualified brain surgeon -who has check and balances all throughout his/her career - and that they are extremely competent to conduct brain surgery on your nearest and dearest. With a body and a process for sacking them.

Or go for Kinnock, Mandelson and every other failed EU politician wanting to jump on the gravy train.

The whole thing about the EU - is it is designed to be unaccountable, unstoppable.... and more EU is good.

I will rejoice the second we leave this cess pit of corruption.

[johnxjsc1985]

Troubleatmill said:

You do come up with some guff analogies.


Let's try this one.

The person you love dearest needs brain surgery.
Will you entrust them with a qualified brain surgeon -who has check and balances all throughout his/her career - and that they are extremely competent to conduct brain surgery on your nearest and dearest. With a body and a process for sacking them.

Or go for Kinnock, Mandelson and every other failed EU politician wanting to jump on the gravy train.

The whole thing about the EU - is it is designed to be unaccountable, unstoppable.... and more EU is good.

I will rejoice the second we leave this cess pit of corruption.

the remoaners remind me of the people who refused to leave the Titanic when it was sinking because it was "unsinkable". How did that work out for them?.

[B'stard Child]

don4l said:

basherX said:

That we rely on qualified expertise for mass transit and democratic agreement for matters of governance? Not really.

Would you be posting that if the UK had voted to remain? (or rather, ripping off a tired meme from twitter/facebook) Of course not.

Petulant. Weak.

The conversation took a turn for the better on the last page because everyone was ignoring him.

For the first time in 6 months we were actually starting to have a proper discussion.

+1

[Murph7355]

///ajd said:

Believe me?

Your analogy is poor, so no.

The analogy would be better if the plane were full of pilots. The uncertainty you fear is whether the pilot passengers are better pilots or not, whether they have a better destination etc etc.

Depending on one's view you could add that the actual pilots are dying and intent on flying us to a destination we don't want to go in. Regardless that you paid a premium to full fare for your EU Airways flight, I'm assuming you would still remain steadfastly in your seat

[alfie2244]

///ajd said:

basherX said:

///ajd said:

basherX said:

///ajd said:

No.

Ah, so it's just another weak and inaccurate analogy passing as reasoned debate.

No.

Is it really that hard to grasp?

It seems so.

That we rely on qualified expertise for mass transit and democratic agreement for matters of governance? Not really.

Would you be posting that if the UK had voted to remain? (or rather, ripping off a tired meme from twitter/facebook) Of course not.

Petulant. Weak.

Its more of a comment on the times we live in where increasingly some sections of society are rejecting the establishment and placing their hopes on some individuals that promise to solve all their ills. They do this by rubbishing those who maybe specialists in their field and use (often blatently nationalistic) techniques to win their flock over with pleasing soundbites but without tackling the real issues at stake.

There is irony in your accusation that the cartoon is weak in that such techniques tend to work most effectively on the weak minded. After all, you'd have to be a bit weak on critical thinking skills to let any old bloke fly an aircraft with no demonstrable training or skills. But he seems a decent sort that drinks pints and smokes tabs, so why not let him try, eh? Whats the worst that can happen, crash?

Slasher V Basher who is right? Only one way to find out.............Fight

[B'stard Child]

Murph7355 said:

///ajd said:

I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever Believes in me though he die, yet shall he live.

Your analogy is poor, so no.

Well it had an almost religious feel to the statement so I thought I'd look up where he'd Plagiarised the words from and what a surprise

Cheap trick?

I want EU to want me
I need EU to need me
I'd love EU to love me
I'm begging EU to beg me
I want EU to want me
I need EU to need me
I'd love EU to love me

I'll shine up the old brown shoes
Put on a brand new shirt
I'll get home early from work
If you say that EU love me

Didn't I, didn't I, didn't I see EU crying?
Oh, didn't I, didn't I, didn't I see EU crying?
Feeling all alone without a friend, EU know EU feel like dying
Oh, didn't I, didn't I, didn't I see EU crying?

[davepoth]

///ajd said:

Believe me?

A comic from the New Yorker, I believe. If ever there was a publication that spoke to a metropolitan elite, it's that one.

[hidetheelephants]

What's the score with this resigning diplomat? There's a lot of hand wringing remoaners on the TV and radio wailing and gnashing their teeth(Nick Clegg, I'm looking at you), and regretting that this chap's expertise is lost to us at such a critical juncture. The case in point cited as an exemplar of his amazing diplomacy and peerless negotiating powers? The piss-poor 'deal' brought home from an EU shindig by Cameron as his big argument against voting to leave.

[B'stard Child]

hidetheelephants said:

What's the score with this resigning diplomat? There's a lot of hand wringing remoaners on the TV and radio wailing and gnashing their teeth(Nick Clegg, I'm looking at you), and regretting that this chap's expertise is lost to us at such a critical juncture. The case in point cited as an exemplar of his amazing diplomacy and peerless negotiating powers? The piss-poor 'deal' brought home from an EU shindig by Cameron as his big argument against voting to leave.

Thread running here

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[Fastdruid]

hidetheelephants said:

What's the score with this resigning diplomat? There's a lot of hand wringing remoaners on the TV and radio wailing and gnashing their teeth(Nick Clegg, I'm looking at you), and regretting that this chap's expertise is lost to us at such a critical juncture. The case in point cited as an exemplar of his amazing diplomacy and peerless negotiating powers? The piss-poor 'deal' brought home from an EU shindig by Cameron as his big argument against voting to leave.

He was leaving in November anyway. While there is lots of gnashing of teeth it really does make sense to leave *now* and get a new person in slightly earlier rather than having someone leave 6 months into the negotiations!

[FiF]

Fastdruid said:

hidetheelephants said:

What's the score with this resigning diplomat? There's a lot of hand wringing remoaners on the TV and radio wailing and gnashing their teeth(Nick Clegg, I'm looking at you), and regretting that this chap's expertise is lost to us at such a critical juncture. The case in point cited as an exemplar of his amazing diplomacy and peerless negotiating powers? The piss-poor 'deal' brought home from an EU shindig by Cameron as his big argument against voting to leave.

He was leaving in November anyway. While there is lots of gnashing of teeth it really does make sense to leave *now* and get a new person in slightly earlier rather than having someone leave 6 months into the negotiations!

To be fair I think the chap has got a point that there have been some statements from such as Davis, Fox and Johnson, to name but three, that have represented some very muddled thinking and lack of knowledge or appreciation of the complexity of the task facing us.

Problem is that anyone outside the Govt doesn't know the truth whether such statements are truly muddled thinking or simply sabre rattling in this current phoney war. Perhaps he is one of the few to know that it is muddled thinking, but if the No10 office looks on you unfavourably then maybe he wasn't as close to the action as he thought he was. Who knows, his resignation isn't as disastrous as Clegg whines about though.

[CaptainSlow]

///ajd said:

Believe me?

What this doesn't show is that the plane is heading into the side of a mountain.

[p1stonhead]

CaptainSlow said:

///ajd said:

Believe me?

What this doesn't show is that the plane is heading into the side of a mountain.

So get rid of the pilot?

[andymadmak]

p1stonhead said:

CaptainSlow said:

///ajd said:

Believe me?

What this doesn't show is that the plane is heading into the side of a mountain.

So get rid of the pilot?

or replace the pilot with one who is not determined to test the whole aluminium tube at high speed /rock interface thing..

[barryrs]

I find the Hitler-esque imagery the most disappointing thing in that picture.

[KrissKross]

andymadmak said:

p1stonhead said:

CaptainSlow said:

///ajd said:

Believe me?

What this doesn't show is that the plane is heading into the side of a mountain.

So get rid of the pilot?

or replace the pilot with one who is not determined to test the whole aluminium tube at high speed /rock interface thing..

Did we have a choice to board the plane or check that there are even pilots flying and not the cleaners..

[FiF]

KrissKross said:

andymadmak said:

p1stonhead said:

CaptainSlow said:

///ajd said:

Believe me?

What this doesn't show is that the plane is heading into the side of a mountain.

So get rid of the pilot?

or replace the pilot with one who is not determined to test the whole aluminium tube at high speed /rock interface thing..

Did we have a choice to board the plane or check that there are even pilots flying and not the cleaners..

Or to twist the events on a near miss I had on one plane journey, you've picked up your tickets to board the plane to fly to Santiago de Compostela in NW Spain, only to find the plane is actually going to Santiago, Chile. Fortunately the stupid travel agents weren't on the flight deck.

In passing I find it amusing when someone sticks up a silly meme or cartoon to try and score points in a battle that has been long lost, only to find the PH assembly just rip the piss out of it. Comedy gold.

[CaptainSlow]

p1stonhead said:

CaptainSlow said:

///ajd said:

Believe me?

What this doesn't show is that the plane is heading into the side of a mountain.

So get rid of the pilot?

Pilot? What pilot? If you mean the drunk old fool in the Captain's seat that is intent on obliterating the plane, then yes.

[Dr Jekyll]

///ajd said:

Its more of a comment on the times we live in where increasingly some sections of society are rejecting the establishment and placing their hopes on some individuals that promise to solve all their ills. They do this by rubbishing those who maybe specialists in their field and use (often blatently nationalistic) techniques to win their flock over with pleasing soundbites but without tackling the real issues at stake.

There is irony in your accusation that the cartoon is weak in that such techniques tend to work most effectively on the weak minded. After all, you'd have to be a bit weak on critical thinking skills to let any old bloke fly an aircraft with no demonstrable training or skills. But he seems a decent sort that drinks pints and smokes tabs, so why not let him try, eh? Whats the worst that can happen, crash?

How exactly is Nigel Farrage less qualified to make decisions than any other politician? The only field politicians are specialists in is getting votes.

Or are you suggesting we get rid of elections altogether and let experts (such as yourself no doubt) do all our thinking for us?

[anonymous-user]

johnxjsc1985 said:

the remoaners remind me of the people who refused to leave the Titanic when it was sinking because it was "unsinkable". How did that work out for them?.

I think it's more like everyone's on a cruise ship in the ocean.

It's making some funny noises and people aren't really sure why. People are complaining and some junior crew think it's unsafe.

For some reason, the captain decides to shut them up by having a vote to decide whether to evacuate, expecting people to follow him and the senior crew and stay onboard.

Some junior crew and just over half the passengers decide everyone should evacuate and get in the lifeboats. The captain and all the senior crew disagree but have to go along with the decision.

The captain and he senior officers have to all pretend they're behind the evacuation to keep morale up and ensure it goes smoothly and everyone gets off the boat safely.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 5th January 08:53