How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 4)
Discussion
turbobloke said:
Second referendum - unwanted by a majority of those who expressed an opinion in a recent survey.
Leaving the EU - wanted by a majority of those who voted in a referendum in 2016.
There are a few Polls now - Google it - that show a majority support a 2nd Referendum. Leaving the EU - wanted by a majority of those who voted in a referendum in 2016.
Leaving the EU was voted for by a majority in 2016...that can easily change to Remain if it is offered in a 2nd Referendum.
Hard-core Leaver's...it is getting close to squeaky bum time! You have a real reason to be frightened and fearful and your comments lately are evidence of that sinking in!
Your Impossible Dream is showing some serious cracks...TM may be all indignant now about it not happening, but she has proven to be a liar several times. It is really quite amusing.
Coolbanana said:
There are a few Polls now - Google it - that show a majority support a 2nd Referendum.
Leaving the EU was voted for by a majority in 2016...that can easily change to Remain if it is offered in a 2nd Referendum.
Hard-core Leaver's...it is getting close to squeaky bum time! You have a real reason to be frightened and fearful and your comments lately are evidence of that sinking in! Your Impossible Dream is showing some serious cracks...TM may be all indignant now about it not happening, but she has proven to be a liar several times.
It is really quite amusing.
I'm glad you find it amusing. Leaving the EU was voted for by a majority in 2016...that can easily change to Remain if it is offered in a 2nd Referendum.
Hard-core Leaver's...it is getting close to squeaky bum time! You have a real reason to be frightened and fearful and your comments lately are evidence of that sinking in!
Your Impossible Dream is showing some serious cracks...TM may be all indignant now about it not happening, but she has proven to be a liar several times. It is really quite amusing.
Has it occurred to you that faced with a choice between remaining in the EU and the prospect of many years of dislocation/sub civil war while this country tears itself apart, most might vote for leave?
If so, will it have been worth it?
Yes indeed there are polls which give both yes and no to a second referendum, not all sample sizes are the same though and in any case it's academic
According tol HM gov't we're leaving the EU in March next year and no second referendum will be held before then.
What are the real world chances that either of these will turn out to be wrong?
Anything is possible but probabilities matter.
According tol HM gov't we're leaving the EU in March next year and no second referendum will be held before then.
What are the real world chances that either of these will turn out to be wrong?
Anything is possible but probabilities matter.
Coolbanana said:
turbobloke said:
Second referendum - unwanted by a majority of those who expressed an opinion in a recent survey.
Leaving the EU - wanted by a majority of those who voted in a referendum in 2016.
There are a few Polls now - Google it - that show a majority support a 2nd Referendum. Leaving the EU - wanted by a majority of those who voted in a referendum in 2016.
Secondly, its possibly because people are either sick of Mays bulls
t "Brexit in name only" plan or
They are sick of the media (biased) constantly looking for the bad angle to make into a headline. The media do that to everything of course, but unlike most stories that run for a week, 10 days at most. Brexit accounts for probably 75% of all news output. So it could be a vote to make them shut the f
k about it 
psi310398 said:
I'm glad you find it amusing.
Has it occurred to you that faced with a choice between remaining in the EU and the prospect of many years of dislocation/sub civil war while this country tears itself apart, most might vote for leave?
If so, will it have been worth it?
I don't see a happy ending in absolutely any outcome at the moment, especially when you throw Corbyn into the mix as our future PM too.Has it occurred to you that faced with a choice between remaining in the EU and the prospect of many years of dislocation/sub civil war while this country tears itself apart, most might vote for leave?
If so, will it have been worth it?
"the prospect of many years of dislocation/sub civil war while this country tears itself apart"
Which model of crystal ball does it that well...we should be told.
We were however told that the end of western political civilisation would ensue.
And merely for voting Leave we were told, and with straight CMD/GO faces too, that there would be an instant year-long recession on top of an emergency £30bn budget of cuts and tax rises, 500,000 jobs lost, house price mayhem, and the rest.
It's not surprising that the corpse of Project Fear keeps getting reanimated. What else is there?
Which model of crystal ball does it that well...we should be told.
We were however told that the end of western political civilisation would ensue.
And merely for voting Leave we were told, and with straight CMD/GO faces too, that there would be an instant year-long recession on top of an emergency £30bn budget of cuts and tax rises, 500,000 jobs lost, house price mayhem, and the rest.
It's not surprising that the corpse of Project Fear keeps getting reanimated. What else is there?
turbobloke said:
WCZ said:
I don't see a happy ending in absolutely any outcome at the moment, especially when you throw Corbyn into the mix as our future PM too.
As posted previously, anything is possible, but what's the real world probability of a Corbyn-led marxist gov't...Helicopter123 said:
If May tries to get Brexit through parliament without a 2nd vote to support, she and the tories are finished, simply not the numbers to make it happen. GE and then Corbyn.
If May tries to call a second referendum, she and the Tories are also finished. Enough of the party will leave to make her premiership untenable.turbobloke said:
"the prospect of many years of dislocation/sub civil war while this country tears itself apart"
Which model of crystal ball does it that well...we should be told.
We were however told that the end of western political civilisation would ensue.
And merely for voting Leave we were told, and with straight CMD/GO faces too, that there would be an instant year-long recession on top of an emergency £30bn budget of cuts and tax rises, 500,000 jobs lost, house price mayhem, and the rest.
It's not surprising that the corpse of Project Fear keeps getting reanimated. What else is there?
Well, what would you predict will happen if the referendum result is ignored because it gave the wrong answer? You really don't need to be Mystic Meg to predict serious trouble. Which model of crystal ball does it that well...we should be told.
We were however told that the end of western political civilisation would ensue.
And merely for voting Leave we were told, and with straight CMD/GO faces too, that there would be an instant year-long recession on top of an emergency £30bn budget of cuts and tax rises, 500,000 jobs lost, house price mayhem, and the rest.
It's not surprising that the corpse of Project Fear keeps getting reanimated. What else is there?
psi310398 said:
Helicopter123 said:
If May tries to get Brexit through parliament without a 2nd vote to support, she and the tories are finished, simply not the numbers to make it happen. GE and then Corbyn.
If May tries to call a second referendum, she and the Tories are also finished. Enough of the party will leave to make her premiership untenable.Helicopter123 said:
Tories could well be finished either way, they are effectively two parties now anyway. They could oust May but then what, a civil war fought in public?
It will depend which way the constituency parties fall. Signs are not good for TM - sentiment seems to be that 70% of the membership are against Chequers. TM's plan has gone down like a bucket of cold sick in the heartlands. Someone I know in CCO tells me they are having trouble keeping up with the mailbags of hostile letters and emails pouring in from members. I'm told that they are also having trouble raising money. There is mild panic about.
There are likely to be a lot of MPs without much/any support in their constituencies, given the number of Leave constituencies with Remain MPs. I imagine a fair number of deselections are on their way, if MPs vote against their local parties' wishes. Dissenting members seem split as to whether to rip their cards up now or wait for the leadership election.
Labour may come under similar pressure as crunch time approaches.
I imagine Farage will reappear with a well-financed machine and a Tory/Labour decapitation strategy. Why wouldn't he? If he can't make hay now, when will he ever be able to? He'd be kicking at an open goal at either end of the pitch.
I think the next election will be difficult to predict as either Tories or Labour or both could implode. It's conceivable if the Leave vote holds up (assume Leave mainstream MP or Farage) that neither might be able to form even a minority government.
psi310398 said:
I imagine Farage will reappear with a well-financed machine and a Tory/Labour decapitation strategy. Why wouldn't he? If he can't make hay now, when will he ever be able to? He'd be kicking at an open goal at either end of the pitch.
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I think if he did they would do well. Has anyone credible got the stones to jump ship?I
My gut feel is that the money behind Farage would love BJ onside. I am not sure Farage has got what it takes to really lead something with the credibility to win.
Apols if it's been posted already. New poll
https://news.sky.com/story/public-opinion-is-shift...
The public by 50% to 40% support a referendum asking the public to choose between leaving the EU with the deal suggested by the government, leaving the EU without a deal, and not leaving the EU - 10% answered don't know.
https://news.sky.com/story/public-opinion-is-shift...
The public by 50% to 40% support a referendum asking the public to choose between leaving the EU with the deal suggested by the government, leaving the EU without a deal, and not leaving the EU - 10% answered don't know.
GetCarter said:
Apols if it's been posted already. New poll
https://news.sky.com/story/public-opinion-is-shift...
The public by 50% to 40% support a referendum asking the public to choose between leaving the EU with the deal suggested by the government, leaving the EU without a deal, and not leaving the EU - 10% answered don't know.
Not 'the public' but ISWYM.https://news.sky.com/story/public-opinion-is-shift...
The public by 50% to 40% support a referendum asking the public to choose between leaving the EU with the deal suggested by the government, leaving the EU without a deal, and not leaving the EU - 10% answered don't know.
It remains highly likely that there won't be a second referendum with any questions of any type. We shall see.
Talking of 50% it turns out that more than half of Leave voters also support a return to the death penalty after brexit. That won't happen either.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bre...
turbobloke said:
Talking of 50% it turns out that more than half of Leave voters also support a return to the death penalty after brexit. That won't happen either.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bre...
That article is more than a year old. I imagine the figures have firmed up since thenhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bre...
.psi310398 said:
turbobloke said:
Talking of 50% it turns out that more than half of Leave voters also support a return to the death penalty after brexit. That won't happen either.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bre...
That article is more than a year old. I imagine the figures have firmed up since thenhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bre...
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It is, and they may have, but it still won't happen
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