If Brexit is cancelled, how will you vote on the next GE?
Poll: If Brexit is cancelled, how will you vote on the next GE?
Total Members Polled: 978
Discussion
Digga said:
None of this nonsense will change how people vote, moving forward from here. It will be very, very different.
You're kidding yourself, the 15% of the population that cared enough to vote for UKIP plus maybe a few more converts, will vote for the Brexit party. Everyone else will return to Con/Lab by the time of the next GE
digimeistter said:
zippy3x said:
You really do struggle with reading and understanding don't you. Key word is satisfactory
Why the ad hom? You must make a charming dinner guest.digimeistter said:
Satisfactory is LEAVING period, either with or without a deal.
For you maybe, some of us don't want the country f
ked for the next decadezippy3x said:
digimeistter said:
zippy3x said:
You really do struggle with reading and understanding don't you. Key word is satisfactory
Why the ad hom? You must make a charming dinner guest.digimeistter said:
Satisfactory is LEAVING period, either with or without a deal.
For you maybe, some of us don't want the country fked for the next decadePositronicRay said:
bigdog3 said:
PositronicRay said:
Who's ignoring it?
Majority of our elected MPs do not want to implement Brexit 
That was not what hew said so why quote his to imply context to your post?
The majority of MP's have been booting it in to the long grass and hoping it is undelivered - by deploying an excessive amount of unprecedented means that can dusted off.
WhatHappenedThere said:
zippy3x said:
digimeistter said:
zippy3x said:
You really do struggle with reading and understanding don't you. Key word is satisfactory
Why the ad hom? You must make a charming dinner guest.digimeistter said:
Satisfactory is LEAVING period, either with or without a deal.
For you maybe, some of us don't want the country fked for the next decadePositronicRay said:
bigdog3 said:
Kermit power said:
Whatever way you try to spin it, though, I don't believe that any more than a tiny fraction of the population could honestly say that they were anything remotely like as fully informed on the potential problems of the Irish border as they are now, along with numerous other points of discussion.
It's perfectly possible that the vast amount of additional information we've now all got access to wouldn't change the outcome of the vote, in which case Leave really would have a proper mandate, but it's certainly something I reckon should be tested.
More information becomes available as time goes on. Hardly likely to be less !It's perfectly possible that the vast amount of additional information we've now all got access to wouldn't change the outcome of the vote, in which case Leave really would have a proper mandate, but it's certainly something I reckon should be tested.
What is the point in voting at elections, referenda etc, if the result is going to be ignored or over-ridden ?
WhatHappenedThere said:
PositronicRay said:
bigdog3 said:
PositronicRay said:
Who's ignoring it?
Majority of our elected MPs do not want to implement Brexit That was not what hew said so why quote his to imply context to your post?
The majority of MP's have been booting it in to the long grass and hoping it is undelivered - by deploying an excessive amount of unprecedented means that can dusted off.
(being an old fart I can't multi quote)
wc98 said:
anonymous said:
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i think they are nailed on for the most votes at the eu elections, betting odds not so great.not surprising though, the bookies tend to be a bit sharper than politicians when it comes to learning lessons.Rivenink said:
I don't think anyone posited that a confirmatory referendum would be a walkover for either side. Indeed, if the majority was that clear that one option would be predicted to win as a "walkover", there would be little need for it.
It is blindingly obvious that Remain wanted another shout at it because they think, or have convinced themselves, that they'd win. If they thought they'd lose they wouldn't be asking for it. AJL308 said:
Rivenink said:
I don't think anyone posited that a confirmatory referendum would be a walkover for either side. Indeed, if the majority was that clear that one option would be predicted to win as a "walkover", there would be little need for it.
It is blindingly obvious that Remain wanted another shout at it because they think, or have convinced themselves, that they'd win. If they thought they'd lose they wouldn't be asking for it. WhatHappenedThere said:
zippy3x said:
digimeistter said:
zippy3x said:
You really do struggle with reading and understanding don't you. Key word is satisfactory
Why the ad hom? You must make a charming dinner guest.digimeistter said:
Satisfactory is LEAVING period, either with or without a deal.
For you maybe, some of us don't want the country fked for the next decade
How very dare you let facts get in the way of our remainer friends delusions.
PositronicRay said:
AJL308 said:
Rivenink said:
I don't think anyone posited that a confirmatory referendum would be a walkover for either side. Indeed, if the majority was that clear that one option would be predicted to win as a "walkover", there would be little need for it.
It is blindingly obvious that Remain wanted another shout at it because they think, or have convinced themselves, that they'd win. If they thought they'd lose they wouldn't be asking for it. Why was a single referendum enough to settle our membership for 40+ years, and why was that referendum only granted after we'd joined?
Down and out said:
PositronicRay said:
I don't think it's about winning or losing, it's about being sure. (I don't particularly want another ref, but would take part)
Being sure? Better take two votes on everything from now on then, maybe three would totally confirm things?It could or should be -
Should the UK leave the EU, by date xx/yy/zzzz COME WHAT MAY
the result would be definitive and put the EU clear to know that No Deal is firmly back on the table.
Which they are scared of
Which would allow compromise in a deal
Don’t forget - the EU has not moved an inch in the leave agreement
This would all be to bed if they put a backstop date in or some flex somewhere. But nope. All of the dithering pollocks in the HoC have been shouting compromises at each other - yet the EU have not moved one inch (or 2.52cm)
I have been saying for a couple of years that the political imperative would dictate a second referendum. It provides the political cover for whoever actually implements the will of the people, should that decision go wrong.
However, seeing that polling, I think that second referendum is now off the table. Parliament will not risk being told that we have to leave on terms harder than they want. They want to find a way to stay, either outright or in all but name.
However, seeing that polling, I think that second referendum is now off the table. Parliament will not risk being told that we have to leave on terms harder than they want. They want to find a way to stay, either outright or in all but name.
AstonZagato said:
I have been saying for a couple of years that the political imperative would dictate a second referendum. It provides the political cover for whoever actually implements the will of the people, should that decision go wrong.
How did the first referendum not provide that cover? It was very explicit that the result would be implemented no matter what.WhatHappenedThere said:
A second referendum question is the debate next
It could or should be -
Should the UK leave the EU, by date xx/yy/zzzz COME WHAT MAY
the result would be definitive and put the EU clear to know that No Deal is firmly back on the table.
Which they are scared of
Which would allow compromise in a deal
Don’t forget - the EU has not moved an inch in the leave agreement
This would all be to bed if they put a backstop date in or some flex somewhere. But nope. All of the dithering pollocks in the HoC have been shouting compromises at each other - yet the EU have not moved one inch (or 2.52cm)
But the last one was difinite and would be implemented, remainers will not be happy until it goes their way. That's the bottom line when you cut through all the crap.It could or should be -
Should the UK leave the EU, by date xx/yy/zzzz COME WHAT MAY
the result would be definitive and put the EU clear to know that No Deal is firmly back on the table.
Which they are scared of
Which would allow compromise in a deal
Don’t forget - the EU has not moved an inch in the leave agreement
This would all be to bed if they put a backstop date in or some flex somewhere. But nope. All of the dithering pollocks in the HoC have been shouting compromises at each other - yet the EU have not moved one inch (or 2.52cm)
It'll go on and on,
Backstop boys
Phone roaming
Old people dieing
Teenagers put it in the wrong slot
Any excuse to get the result they want.
AstonZagato said:
However, seeing that polling, I think that second referendum is now off the table. Parliament will not risk being told that we have to leave on terms harder than they want. They want to find a way to stay, either outright or in all but name.
And that folks is how the majority of MPs are ignoring the 2016 referendum result 
If you like, substitute the verb 'defying' but their intent remains the same...
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