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Pan Pan Pan said:
It wasn't very nice, and several of my family died in the blitz, and the subsequent V2 rocket attacks on London, My Dad was shot down twice in the war, and luckily for me and my siblings survived both incidents.
But you are a poor dear. I bet your mum was angry with your school, when you came home with another failed history exam report, saying it was unfair and not your fault because they kept asking you questions about things that happened before you were born!
My Dad’s father was at D Day and subsequently involved in the liberation of Belsen.
My mother’s father served in Turkey and North Africa
One of her uncles commanded a tank post D day
The other was captured in Singapore and survived a Japanese prison camp until liberation and his medals and letters home are in the care of the Imperial War Museum.
Hope that helps and prevents further stupidity.
Brooking10 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
It wasn't very nice, and several of my family died in the blitz, and the subsequent V2 rocket attacks on London, My Dad was shot down twice in the war, and luckily for me and my siblings survived both incidents.
But you are a poor dear. I bet your mum was angry with your school, when you came home with another failed history exam report, saying it was unfair and not your fault because they kept asking you questions about things that happened before you were born!
My Dad’s father was at D Day and subsequently involved in the liberation of Belsen.
My mother’s father served in Turkey and North Africa
One of her uncles commanded a tank post D day
The other was captured in Singapore and survived a Japanese prison camp until liberation and his medals and letters home are in the care of the Imperial War Museum.
Hope that helps and prevents further stupidity.
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Monday 20th January 20:13
Pan Pan Pan said:
DeepEnd said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I suggest you go away and do as much reading as you can about WW2, and while you are at it, perhaps you might explain how the US was going launch a D-Day from the Eastern seaboard of the United States. Perhaps you too have the memory of a goldfish?
You might want to read up on Operation Baytown, Avalanche and Dragoon.https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Atlas_of_the_World_...
DeepEnd said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
DeepEnd said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I suggest you go away and do as much reading as you can about WW2, and while you are at it, perhaps you might explain how the US was going launch a D-Day from the Eastern seaboard of the United States. Perhaps you too have the memory of a goldfish?
You might want to read up on Operation Baytown, Avalanche and Dragoon.https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Atlas_of_the_World_...
DeepEnd said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
DeepEnd said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I suggest you go away and do as much reading as you can about WW2, and while you are at it, perhaps you might explain how the US was going launch a D-Day from the Eastern seaboard of the United States. Perhaps you too have the memory of a goldfish?
You might want to read up on Operation Baytown, Avalanche and Dragoon.https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Atlas_of_the_World_...
As said, what if's are pointless.
Dont like rolls said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
You might want to explain how the US was going to be able to launch a successful D-Day from the Eastern seaboard of the United States.
What If's are a pointless exercise in the study of history.Pan Pan Pan said:
Lets go for facts then shall we? which country out of France, Belgium, Holland, Norway, Poland etc etc did not get taken over by the Nazi`s in WW2?
I was not arguing with you. I would think from my other recent comments I might know the answer to your question......Dont like rolls said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Lets go for facts then shall we? which country out of France, Belgium, Holland, Norway, Poland etc etc did not get taken over by the Nazi`s in WW2?
I was not arguing with you. I would think from my other recent comments I might know the answer to your question......The various operations that some have mentioned, not least D-Day itself, The Africa campaign, and not forgetting the war materiel being supplied to Russia, were only made possible because the UK, was the one key country that was `not' over run by the Nazis.
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Monday 20th January 20:37
Pan Pan Pan said:
Then it is really is not a `what if' situation.
The various operations that some have mentioned, not least D-Day itself, The Africa campaign, and not forgetting the war materiel being supplied to Russia, were only made possible because the UK, was the one key country that was `not' over run by the Nazis.
More by good fortune than our good planning. (When it was first threatened) The various operations that some have mentioned, not least D-Day itself, The Africa campaign, and not forgetting the war materiel being supplied to Russia, were only made possible because the UK, was the one key country that was `not' over run by the Nazis.
After that is a totally different topic.
Dont like rolls said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Then it is really is not a `what if' situation.
The various operations that some have mentioned, not least D-Day itself, The Africa campaign, and not forgetting the war materiel being supplied to Russia, were only made possible because the UK, was the one key country that was `not' over run by the Nazis.
More by good fortune than our good planning. (When it was first threatened) The various operations that some have mentioned, not least D-Day itself, The Africa campaign, and not forgetting the war materiel being supplied to Russia, were only made possible because the UK, was the one key country that was `not' over run by the Nazis.
After that is a totally different topic.
If some do not realize that, they must be the dumbest people on the surface of the planet.
Pan Pan Pan said:
Dont like rolls said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Lets go for facts then shall we? which country out of France, Belgium, Holland, Norway, Poland etc etc did not get taken over by the Nazi`s in WW2?
I was not arguing with you. I would think from my other recent comments I might know the answer to your question......The various operations that some have mentioned, not least D-Day itself, The Africa campaign, and not forgetting the war materiel being supplied to Russia, were only made possible because the UK, was the one key country that was `not' over run by the Nazis.
Apologies if I am mis-reading what you are saying, but it isn’t completely clear to me.
Rewe said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Dont like rolls said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Lets go for facts then shall we? which country out of France, Belgium, Holland, Norway, Poland etc etc did not get taken over by the Nazi`s in WW2?
I was not arguing with you. I would think from my other recent comments I might know the answer to your question......The various operations that some have mentioned, not least D-Day itself, The Africa campaign, and not forgetting the war materiel being supplied to Russia, were only made possible because the UK, was the one key country that was `not' over run by the Nazis.
Apologies if I am mis-reading what you are saying, but it isn’t completely clear to me.
What possible difference does the fact that it was 75 years ago make to the situation?
If the allies had not prevailed in WW2, it is quite likely that the UK would now be a fully paid up province of the Nazi party, that, or we would either be slaves to the Nazis or more likely disposed of by them. So the freedom that Europe currently enjoys is a direct result of the UK not succumbing to Nazi Germany in WW2.
Pan Pan Pan said:
No that is not what I am saying, but if you are disputing the fact, that if the UK had not been the `one. country to prevent the Nazis from overtaking them, the outcome of WW2 is quite likely to have been very different, it seems to be very odd.
What possible difference does the fact that it was 75 years ago make to the situation?
If the allies had not prevailed in WW2, it is quite likely that the UK would now be a fully paid up province of the Nazi party, that, or we would either be slaves to the Nazis or more likely disposed of by them. So the freedom that Europe currently enjoys is a direct result of the UK not succumbing to Nazi Germany in WW2.
Yep, I get that but help me out, because I’m still not quite following your line of argument. What is the relevance to our leaving (or not) the EU in 2020?What possible difference does the fact that it was 75 years ago make to the situation?
If the allies had not prevailed in WW2, it is quite likely that the UK would now be a fully paid up province of the Nazi party, that, or we would either be slaves to the Nazis or more likely disposed of by them. So the freedom that Europe currently enjoys is a direct result of the UK not succumbing to Nazi Germany in WW2.
Pan Pan Pan said:
Tell me, how did your Dads Dad (Grandfather) get there? Sorry but I cannot help it, if you are stupid, that is your problem!
Yes we know the point you are trying to makeEdited by anonymous-user on Monday 20th January 20:13
It is perfectly acceptable to say the following, both of which are indisputable facts:
1 - the UK was integral, indeed vital, in winning the war in Europe
2 - the UK would not have won the war in Europe without either the US or Russia
A free Europe exists because of a combination of the above.
The idea that much of Europe is not grateful to us, or our allies at the time, is a fallacy. You only need to visit the many war grave sites and surrounding areas, from both wars, to see that.
It was however 75 years ago and the world moves on. Europe can balance that gratitude without needing to in some way to feel subservient.
Pan Pan Pan said:
No that is not what I am saying, but if you are disputing the fact, that if the UK had not been the `one. country to prevent the Nazis from overtaking them, the outcome of WW2 is quite likely to have been very different, it seems to be very odd.
What possible difference does the fact that it was 75 years ago make to the situation?
If the allies had not prevailed in WW2, it is quite likely that the UK would now be a fully paid up province of the Nazi party, that, or we would either be slaves to the Nazis or more likely disposed of by them. So the freedom that Europe currently enjoys is a direct result of the UK not succumbing to Nazi Germany in WW2.
If you want to set up a topic of how WW2 was won and who contributed to said victory, better to set up a separate discussion where you can continue with the discussion including the ‘My Dad’ bit if you see fit.What possible difference does the fact that it was 75 years ago make to the situation?
If the allies had not prevailed in WW2, it is quite likely that the UK would now be a fully paid up province of the Nazi party, that, or we would either be slaves to the Nazis or more likely disposed of by them. So the freedom that Europe currently enjoys is a direct result of the UK not succumbing to Nazi Germany in WW2.
Respectfully it has nothing to do with this topic.
P.S. I was not born during the war. In fact 1954. However I come from Plymouth, which suffered heavily.
Fortunately my Dad and Grandfathers after their service seemed to have a much more measured and better educated view of Europe and the Eu in its various forms.
Sadly deceased but held none of your prejudices.
Edited by Nickgnome on Monday 20th January 21:15
Rewe said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
No that is not what I am saying, but if you are disputing the fact, that if the UK had not been the `one. country to prevent the Nazis from overtaking them, the outcome of WW2 is quite likely to have been very different, it seems to be very odd.
What possible difference does the fact that it was 75 years ago make to the situation?
If the allies had not prevailed in WW2, it is quite likely that the UK would now be a fully paid up province of the Nazi party, that, or we would either be slaves to the Nazis or more likely disposed of by them. So the freedom that Europe currently enjoys is a direct result of the UK not succumbing to Nazi Germany in WW2.
Yep, I get that but help me out, because I’m still not quite following your line of argument. What is the relevance to our leaving (or not) the EU in 2020?What possible difference does the fact that it was 75 years ago make to the situation?
If the allies had not prevailed in WW2, it is quite likely that the UK would now be a fully paid up province of the Nazi party, that, or we would either be slaves to the Nazis or more likely disposed of by them. So the freedom that Europe currently enjoys is a direct result of the UK not succumbing to Nazi Germany in WW2.
ds who do not bow and scrape at our mere presence cos it was us that won the war and saved them etc etc etc so they were lucky to have us as members and now the ungrateful bds can just jolly well struggle on with out us with their high speed train network and empty roads and funny foods.or more simply cos we is great britian init and stuff and tings was better in the 50,s
Pan Pan Pan said:
No that is not what I am saying, but if you are disputing the fact, that if the UK had not been the `one. country to prevent the Nazis from overtaking them, the outcome of WW2 is quite likely to have been very different, it seems to be very odd.
What possible difference does the fact that it was 75 years ago make to the situation?
If the allies had not prevailed in WW2, it is quite likely that the UK would now be a fully paid up province of the Nazi party, that, or we would either be slaves to the Nazis or more likely disposed of by them. So the freedom that Europe currently enjoys is a direct result of the UK not succumbing to Nazi Germany in WW2.
The pure fact is correct. History.What possible difference does the fact that it was 75 years ago make to the situation?
If the allies had not prevailed in WW2, it is quite likely that the UK would now be a fully paid up province of the Nazi party, that, or we would either be slaves to the Nazis or more likely disposed of by them. So the freedom that Europe currently enjoys is a direct result of the UK not succumbing to Nazi Germany in WW2.
Your conjecture is only that (I would say a tad emotional) As slaves or liquidated ? not really.
Hitler and the Germans had a very very different view of the British and its (1st world) Dominions vrs their view of the rest of the European nations which they regarded as mainly corrupt socially, politically and morally.
It would be unlikely those conditions would prevail in the Uk unless a deep seated resistance was mounted, this could not get supplies.
This ignores any effects on the large Jewish community in the UK which sadly, like other places most would suffer with most turning their back so not to see.
If anything, I think many European politicians do not understand that a generations deep sacrifice with hundred of thousand resting on their soil has a fundamental effect on a Nation that itself has always been free but still sent its young to die.
The British have since 1945 maintained a force of its finest on those European lands and maintained its wiliness to again send its young for Western European freedom.
I have no truck with those who say 1945 was years ago so forget it/shut-up, it is just the threat changed and moved a few counties further east.
Edited by Dont like rolls on Monday 20th January 21:23
citizensm1th said:
because they (the europeans) are ungrateful bds who do not bow and scrape at our mere presence cos it was us that won the war and saved them etc etc etc so they were lucky to have us as members and now the ungrateful bds can just jolly well struggle on with out us with their high speed train network and empty roads and funny foods.
or more simply cos we is great britian init and stuff and tings was better in the 50,s
That does pretty much capture the levels of angry being unleashed.ds who do not bow and scrape at our mere presence cos it was us that won the war and saved them etc etc etc so they were lucky to have us as members and now the ungrateful bds can just jolly well struggle on with out us with their high speed train network and empty roads and funny foods.or more simply cos we is great britian init and stuff and tings was better in the 50,s
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