Lee Anderson MP
Discussion
s1962a said:
If Reform were around before the Brexit referendum, I presume they would have been pro brexit. Would they then have stood by the "350m to the NHS" slogan, or the poster of Farage in front of non European refugees? Brexit has happened and neither of those things have been fixed - in fact they got worse, and it turns out they were just empty promises with no basis behind them.
What of makes you think any of Reforms policies are actually workable? Take any of these as your example.
Nothing - they are just a bunch of wWhat of makes you think any of Reforms policies are actually workable? Take any of these as your example.
kers.S600BSB said:
s1962a said:
If Reform were around before the Brexit referendum, I presume they would have been pro brexit. Would they then have stood by the "350m to the NHS" slogan, or the poster of Farage in front of non European refugees? Brexit has happened and neither of those things have been fixed - in fact they got worse, and it turns out they were just empty promises with no basis behind them.
What of makes you think any of Reforms policies are actually workable? Take any of these as your example.
Nothing - they are just a bunch of wWhat of makes you think any of Reforms policies are actually workable? Take any of these as your example.
kers.Lee sounds like just the man to make it happen
W124 said:
What I’m suggesting is that they will get more than a million or two votes. Enough to justify more than one Tory MP jumping ship.
Given how popular Reform are, it’s wildly undemocratic for them to have no MP’s at all. As with UKIP.
FPTP has kept them out thus far. But the pressure is simply too great. The numbers don’t work anymore.
Reform will be in exactly the same position as the Lib Dems have for decades then, albeit the LDs have managed to have a few MPs but never in proportion to their share of the vote.Given how popular Reform are, it’s wildly undemocratic for them to have no MP’s at all. As with UKIP.
FPTP has kept them out thus far. But the pressure is simply too great. The numbers don’t work anymore.
smn159 said:
lauda said:
smn159 said:
Too much negativity here - who doesn't want lower taxes, zero waiting lists and no foreigners?
Lee sounds like just the man to make it happen
Why would you want no foreigners? Lee sounds like just the man to make it happen
President Merkin said:
The pure resentment in your post ilustrates my point beautifully. There is no possibiity of you working out you are being mugged off by millionaires until you open yourself up to introspection.
I think you look to be insulted to feed your sense of grievance. This is not me going out of my way to dunk on you personaly, it's me offering an explanation of what other people, who neither know nor care about you are doing to you for their own gain. They trade in hate & hate leads nowhere useful, Tice & his mates are bad faith actors. way beyond the usual they're all as bad as each other trope, maybe you'll work it out, maybe you won't but if you cling to the idea they have the answers to your problems, you're only fooling yourself.
What problems do you think I have? Once again your lack of knowledge about other people shines through. You judge everybody else by your own strange view of the world. You decry the millionaire leader of reform while ignoring that both main parties have millionaire leaders and talk about critical thinking.I think you look to be insulted to feed your sense of grievance. This is not me going out of my way to dunk on you personaly, it's me offering an explanation of what other people, who neither know nor care about you are doing to you for their own gain. They trade in hate & hate leads nowhere useful, Tice & his mates are bad faith actors. way beyond the usual they're all as bad as each other trope, maybe you'll work it out, maybe you won't but if you cling to the idea they have the answers to your problems, you're only fooling yourself.
5 In a Row said:
W124 said:
What I’m suggesting is that they will get more than a million or two votes. Enough to justify more than one Tory MP jumping ship.
Given how popular Reform are, it’s wildly undemocratic for them to have no MP’s at all. As with UKIP.
FPTP has kept them out thus far. But the pressure is simply too great. The numbers don’t work anymore.
Reform will be in exactly the same position as the Lib Dems have for decades then, albeit the LDs have managed to have a few MPs but never in proportion to their share of the vote.Given how popular Reform are, it’s wildly undemocratic for them to have no MP’s at all. As with UKIP.
FPTP has kept them out thus far. But the pressure is simply too great. The numbers don’t work anymore.
I think a lot of people on here are wilfully blind about how popular reform are. Things change.
W124 said:
5 In a Row said:
W124 said:
What I’m suggesting is that they will get more than a million or two votes. Enough to justify more than one Tory MP jumping ship.
Given how popular Reform are, it’s wildly undemocratic for them to have no MP’s at all. As with UKIP.
FPTP has kept them out thus far. But the pressure is simply too great. The numbers don’t work anymore.
Reform will be in exactly the same position as the Lib Dems have for decades then, albeit the LDs have managed to have a few MPs but never in proportion to their share of the vote.Given how popular Reform are, it’s wildly undemocratic for them to have no MP’s at all. As with UKIP.
FPTP has kept them out thus far. But the pressure is simply too great. The numbers don’t work anymore.
I think a lot of people on here are wilfully blind about how popular reform are. Things change.
Vanden Saab said:
What problems do you think I have? Once again your lack of knowledge about other people shines through. You judge everybody else by your own strange view of the world. You decry the millionaire leader of reform while ignoring that both main parties have millionaire leaders and talk about critical thinking.
My views on Rishi may have eacaped your notice....Starmer, I have no idea if he's wealthy or not, he certainly trades on his huimble roots. All of which is tangential. At some point, you have to recognise that the Reform millionaires are merely using you as a mark. Appealing to your baser instincts to further their own aims.
The reform stans seem intent in ignoring every clue, I wonder why? Anderson hates Tice, we've all pointed out the January Poundshop Farage jibe, ignored. Anderson booted out of the Carlton club reportedly. such a man of the people. Habib, multi millionaire property tycoon, Rugby & Cambridge, Tice, multi millionaire property tycoon, Uppingham, took over the family firm, made a fortune. You really think these people give a s
t about nurses? GP appointments? Depressed northern towns? the working class whose existence you deny? No, they use racism & fear for votes, As despicable as politics getsSo the problem I think you have, is lying to yourself at the behest of people who know better. I couldn't accept that in myself, others appear happy to be told what to think.
W124 said:
I think a lot of people on here are wilfully blind about how popular reform are. Things change.
And many people on PH also over estimate how popular reform are. There will always be a right wing party to entice donations/interest from the right-wing working class. In the past these parties were openly racist, but now they hide it behind a nod and a wink, but the message is always the same - those people over there are making you poor.They will be a fringe vote, for a
Starmer, such a politically honest upstanding chap, problem is even he doesn’t know what his politics are. Supporting Corbyn, a Hamas supporting nutter and batste crazy policy ideas which drove the Labour Party to its worst electoral defeat since 1935. Labour can’t decide what it is they want to present to the electorate and keep flip flopping in and out of policy ideas. Not insignificant ideas either, for example their green growth plan. Let’s be honest, if the Tories were not completely fooked inside out Labour wouldn’t have a slightest smell of electoral victory. Why vote for that? Forty years of failures between them and people still vote for more of that!
te crazy policy ideas which drove the Labour Party to its worst electoral defeat since 1935. Labour can’t decide what it is they want to present to the electorate and keep flip flopping in and out of policy ideas. Not insignificant ideas either, for example their green growth plan. Let’s be honest, if the Tories were not completely fooked inside out Labour wouldn’t have a slightest smell of electoral victory. Why vote for that? Forty years of failures between them and people still vote for more of that!crankedup5 said:
Starmer, such a politically honest upstanding chap, problem is even he doesn’t know what his politics are. Supporting Corbyn, a Hamas supporting nutter and batste crazy policy ideas which drove the Labour Party to its worst electoral defeat since 1935. Labour can’t decide what it is they want to present to the electorate and keep flip flopping in and out of policy ideas. Not insignificant ideas either, for example their green growth plan. Let’s be honest, if the Tories were not completely fooked inside out Labour wouldn’t have a slightest smell of electoral victory. Why vote for that? Forty years of failures between them and people still vote for more of that!
Bit tired that Crank. Time for your morning nap?te crazy policy ideas which drove the Labour Party to its worst electoral defeat since 1935. Labour can’t decide what it is they want to present to the electorate and keep flip flopping in and out of policy ideas. Not insignificant ideas either, for example their green growth plan. Let’s be honest, if the Tories were not completely fooked inside out Labour wouldn’t have a slightest smell of electoral victory. Why vote for that? Forty years of failures between them and people still vote for more of that!tangerine_sedge said:
W124 said:
I think a lot of people on here are wilfully blind about how popular reform are. Things change.
And many people on PH also over estimate how popular reform are. There will always be a right wing party to entice donations/interest from the right-wing working class. In the past these parties were openly racist, but now they hide it behind a nod and a wink, but the message is always the same - those people over there are making you poor.They will be a fringe vote, for a
I’m saying the people who are ‘over’ estimating how popular Reform are - they are right. Those of us whose politics align more to the centre simply do not see the danger.
It’s much, much more than a fringe vote, this time.
crankedup5 said:
Starmer, such a politically honest upstanding chap, problem is even he doesn’t know what his politics are. Supporting Corbyn, a Hamas supporting nutter and batste crazy policy ideas which drove the Labour Party to its worst electoral defeat since 1935. Labour can’t decide what it is they want to present to the electorate and keep flip flopping in and out of policy ideas. Not insignificant ideas either, for example their green growth plan. Let’s be honest, if the Tories were not completely fooked inside out Labour wouldn’t have a slightest smell of electoral victory. Why vote for that? Forty years of failures between them and people still vote for more of that!
Has reform paid you as much as they've paid 30p Lee? You certainly are putting in a shift on their behalf... te crazy policy ideas which drove the Labour Party to its worst electoral defeat since 1935. Labour can’t decide what it is they want to present to the electorate and keep flip flopping in and out of policy ideas. Not insignificant ideas either, for example their green growth plan. Let’s be honest, if the Tories were not completely fooked inside out Labour wouldn’t have a slightest smell of electoral victory. Why vote for that? Forty years of failures between them and people still vote for more of that!
Your continued "they're all as bad as each other" routine is getting boring now - its time for reform to tell you the new messaging you need to push.
W124 said:
It’s much, much more than a fringe vote, this time.
Much more than UKIP? Everyone is pissed off with the tories that's clear, but that's translated to the votes from the middle bit of the bell curve (i.e. most of the voters) going to labour/lib-dem and only the far end of the curve (those who don't think the tories are batst mental enough) moving to reform.People are ready for a steady hand on the tiller, not more "moon on a stick" promises...
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