General Election July 2024
Discussion
carlo996 said:
It’s a shame that there isn’t a vote of no confidence box. The two and a half main parties are all a copy and paste, the hardline left and right, best left to ridicule and the ones left, they’re like the pulp left over after apple bobbing.
Imagine a vote which basically said ‘no vote, we do not accept any of the policies or trust the infect’
Bet that’d motivate some turnout
I would advocate for that as I don't have faith in any of them. It's like choosing between losing a leg or an arm, both are bad with one being slightly worse. Imagine a vote which basically said ‘no vote, we do not accept any of the policies or trust the infect’
Bet that’d motivate some turnout
If there was a no vote option which is counted as opposed to just not turning up it would show a lack of confidence. Maybe you have a re-run if the first is a lack of confidence vote and they have to campaign more. Then if there's another lack of confidence then it's a coalition government for a year or 2 before doing another vote.
fiatpower said:
I would advocate for that as I don't have faith in any of them. It's like choosing between losing a leg or an arm, both are bad with one being slightly worse.
If there was a no vote option which is counted as opposed to just not turning up it would show a lack of confidence. Maybe you have a re-run if the first is a lack of confidence vote and they have to campaign more. Then if there's another lack of confidence then it's a coalition government for a year or 2 before doing another vote.
Or vote Tory and lose an arm and a leg! If there was a no vote option which is counted as opposed to just not turning up it would show a lack of confidence. Maybe you have a re-run if the first is a lack of confidence vote and they have to campaign more. Then if there's another lack of confidence then it's a coalition government for a year or 2 before doing another vote.
S600BSB said:
fiatpower said:
I would advocate for that as I don't have faith in any of them. It's like choosing between losing a leg or an arm, both are bad with one being slightly worse.
If there was a no vote option which is counted as opposed to just not turning up it would show a lack of confidence. Maybe you have a re-run if the first is a lack of confidence vote and they have to campaign more. Then if there's another lack of confidence then it's a coalition government for a year or 2 before doing another vote.
Or vote Tory and lose an arm and a leg! If there was a no vote option which is counted as opposed to just not turning up it would show a lack of confidence. Maybe you have a re-run if the first is a lack of confidence vote and they have to campaign more. Then if there's another lack of confidence then it's a coalition government for a year or 2 before doing another vote.
carlo996 said:
It’s a shame that there isn’t a vote of no confidence box. The two and a half main parties are all a copy and paste, the hardline left and right, best left to ridicule and the ones left, they’re like the pulp left over after apple bobbing.
Imagine a vote which basically said ‘no vote, we do not accept any of the policies or trust the infect’
Bet that’d motivate some turnout
Effectively that is what spoiling the paper is. Spoiled papers are collected counted and reported, its just that people do not realise it. There are typically a couple hundred thousand of these in an GE. And this is a direct action that says you feel there is no party worth your vote. Imagine a vote which basically said ‘no vote, we do not accept any of the policies or trust the infect’
Bet that’d motivate some turnout
RichB said:
CivicDuties said:
<clip> We would never have become a Republic (unfortunately)...
Be careful what you wish for - President Blair anyone 
And look at what the hereditary system has given us. A genuine fruitloop who nobody voted for.
Anyway, it's not on the table now, and wouldn't have been on the table under Corbyn. We're stuck with Charles, William, George, in that order, without any say in it.
Edited by CivicDuties on Thursday 23 May 11:55
coldel said:
Effectively that is what spoiling the paper is. Spoiled papers are collected counted and reported, its just that people do not realise it. There are typically a couple hundred thousand of these in an GE. And this is a direct action that says you feel there is no party worth your vote.
In the grand scheme of things, there are so few spoiled ballots that they're not worth chasing. Even if they doubled from last election the number of spoiled ballots would still be around 0.7%Political parties dont care about them because they're such a small number. However they do care about people who don't vote as it's easier to find a larger number of people who can be encouraged to vote with a new policy or promise.
People spoil ballots for different reasons, same as people don't vote for different reasons, however it's much easier to find thousand of votes out of a few million than a few hundred thousand.
CivicDuties said:
RichB said:
CivicDuties said:
<clip> We would never have become a Republic (unfortunately)...
Be careful what you wish for - President Blair anyone p.s. don't call me god, I'm am atheist.
captain_cynic said:
In the grand scheme of things, there are so few spoiled ballots that they're not worth chasing. Even if they doubled from last election the number of spoiled ballots would still be around 0.7%
Political parties dont care about them because they're such a small number. However they do care about people who don't vote as it's easier to find a larger number of people who can be encouraged to vote with a new policy or promise.
People spoil ballots for different reasons, same as people don't vote for different reasons, however it's much easier to find thousand of votes out of a few million than a few hundred thousand.
Oh I agree, the point was that there is that option to vote against all party's which is what someone raised, so was answering that, problem is:Political parties dont care about them because they're such a small number. However they do care about people who don't vote as it's easier to find a larger number of people who can be encouraged to vote with a new policy or promise.
People spoil ballots for different reasons, same as people don't vote for different reasons, however it's much easier to find thousand of votes out of a few million than a few hundred thousand.
1. Many dont realise you can get a spoiled paper counted
2. Many cant be bothered to go and spoil a paper which takes up 30 mins of their day, yet happily spend literally five years ranting there are no party's worth voting for
Change in politics needs to come from change in the electorates attitude first really.
coldel said:
carlo996 said:
It’s a shame that there isn’t a vote of no confidence box. The two and a half main parties are all a copy and paste, the hardline left and right, best left to ridicule and the ones left, they’re like the pulp left over after apple bobbing.
Imagine a vote which basically said ‘no vote, we do not accept any of the policies or trust the infect’
Bet that’d motivate some turnout
Effectively that is what spoiling the paper is. Spoiled papers are collected counted and reported, its just that people do not realise it. There are typically a couple hundred thousand of these in an GE. And this is a direct action that says you feel there is no party worth your vote. Imagine a vote which basically said ‘no vote, we do not accept any of the policies or trust the infect’
Bet that’d motivate some turnout
RichB said:
CivicDuties said:
RichB said:
CivicDuties said:
<clip> We would never have become a Republic (unfortunately)...
Be careful what you wish for - President Blair anyone p.s. don't call me god, I'm am atheist.
Yet another pointless figurehead
At least the royals have some marketable value (small and out of proportion to the cost it maybe). A UK 'President' would just be some w
ker spouting political crap, being ineffectual and costing millions.bit like mayor of Manchester then.
I will vote Tory, I live in Graham Brady's constituency and the replacement candidate has been visible for sometime. The Labour candidate,
one of my ward councillors, pulled out last week. So as a constituency we have no idea who the labour candidate would be. This was a winnable seat for Labour as the majority( a tad over 6000) has fallen for the last 4 elections.
Locally this election call is very good timing.
one of my ward councillors, pulled out last week. So as a constituency we have no idea who the labour candidate would be. This was a winnable seat for Labour as the majority( a tad over 6000) has fallen for the last 4 elections.
Locally this election call is very good timing.
Rusty Old-Banger said:
I wonder what the turnout will be? I'm guessing low, even for the usual pathetic standards of UK elections. Sub-60%?
I'll go with 49%. Public trust in politicians is at an all time low, public morale is at an all time low and basically there is no one to vote for who is going to solve anything. And all that will be reinforced after 6 weeks of "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!" "Its their fault! No its your fault!"
On & on & on & on....
"How you going to fix it?"
"Spend more money!"
"There literary isn't any money, how you going to fix it?"
"..Er borrow more!"
"Where from? The markets won't lend to us anymore because everyone thinks we are a basket case. How you going to fix it?"
"... Er tax more!"
"Where from? There is nothing left to tax. Unless you start to tax the top tier of the population and corporations massively but you aren't going to do that because the markets wouldn't accept it and you saw they what did to Liz Truss no matter if she was right or wrong (she was wrong). How you going to fix it?"
".....Errr..rejoin the EU and beg them for forgiveness and some money!"
"Not going to happen unless you want a large chunk of the electorate to never vote for you again, extra large payments to say sorry every year from now until the end of time and almost certainly adoption of the Euro so we can't escape again, How you going to fix it?"
"......Errr..sell everything and we mean everything including the NHS to the Saudis & Americans!"
"Might work in short term but long term the consequences could be very serious,"
".......Err...Anyone wanna buy an aircraft carrier?"
Seriously.
"How you going to fix it?"
I don't know the answer but I know one thing. We are f
ked unto the fourth generation unless someone manages to get a grip.Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Thursday 23 May 12:15
Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Thursday 23 May 12:16
Gary C said:
RichB said:
CivicDuties said:
RichB said:
CivicDuties said:
<clip> We would never have become a Republic (unfortunately)...
Be careful what you wish for - President Blair anyone p.s. don't call me god, I'm am atheist.
ker spouting political crap, being ineffectual and costing millions.bit like mayor of Manchester then.
The Hypno-Toad said:
Farage has just announced that he is NOT standing. Mentions that he thinks helping America become a stronger nation again is more important. So who knows, him and Sunak could end up being neighbours.
Really says something about the mess we are in that someone with an ego as big as his, who has lost in elections 8 times and was clearly offered the leadership of Reform has decided it isn't workable.
Rats & ship immediately springs to mind.
Not standing was always the smart move and also the expected one.Really says something about the mess we are in that someone with an ego as big as his, who has lost in elections 8 times and was clearly offered the leadership of Reform has decided it isn't workable.
Rats & ship immediately springs to mind.
Reform is best placed to fill a vacuum and that vacuum will not be properly created till after the election.
coldel said:
Oh I agree, the point was that there is that option to vote against all party's which is what someone raised, so was answering that, problem is:
1. Many dont realise you can get a spoiled paper counted
2. Many cant be bothered to go and spoil a paper which takes up 30 mins of their day, yet happily spend literally five years ranting there are no party's worth voting for
Change in politics needs to come from change in the electorates attitude first really.
I agree with that but it's worth noting that what is on a spoiled ballots isn't counted, only that the ballot was spoiled. They do count the difference between markings outside the box, multiple boxes marked and no markings at all, with the former you can have a large number spoiled by accident. In any case all of them are rejected at the count. 1. Many dont realise you can get a spoiled paper counted
2. Many cant be bothered to go and spoil a paper which takes up 30 mins of their day, yet happily spend literally five years ranting there are no party's worth voting for
Change in politics needs to come from change in the electorates attitude first really.
Gary C said:
A UK 'President' would just be some wker spouting political crap, being ineffectual and costing millions.
But presently we have a load of wker spouting political crap, being ineffectual and costing millions.kers spouting all sorts of crap, being ineffectual, costing millions and sitting in various palaces, residencies....whilst traveling around the globe giving the media satire.I'd vote for a republic.
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