Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2
Discussion
dimots said:
Quibbling over this is pointless.
You were gloating about a previous claim that you'd made, yet you don't have evidence to support it! It certainly wasn't 'pointless' when you raised it initially.dimots said:
Tories are relying increasingly on older voters and the less-educated according to the statistics.
Of course the issue about 'education' is primarily about age, not intelligence. As explained on numerous ocassions.sidicks said:
dimots said:
Quibbling over this is pointless.
You were gloating about a previous claim that you'd made, yet you don't have evidence to support it! It certainly wasn't 'pointless' when you raised it initially.dimots said:
Tories are relying increasingly on older voters and the less-educated according to the statistics.
Of course the issue about 'education' is primarily about age, not intelligence. As explained on numerous ocassions.The responses I received to suggesting Tory voters were a bunch of old fogeys (which they demonstrably are) should give you all the context you need:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
dimots said:
Far from gloating, simply quoting to add emphasis to my defence of views expressed prior.
But, as highlighted, the statistics don't support this!dimots said:
The responses I received to suggesting Tory voters were a bunch of old fogeys (which they demonstrably are
You're still not getting it, are you?!dimots said:
The responses I received to suggesting Tory voters were a bunch of old fogeys (which they demonstrably are) should give you all the context you need:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Hilarious.https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Einion Yrth said:
dimots said:
Getting on for 20% of the population at retirement age and above now.
So that's 80% who aren't.This is tragic.
Read the Yougov survey results.
"In electoral terms, age seems to be the new dividing line in British politics. The starkest way to show this is to note that, amongst first time voters (those aged 18 and 19), Labour was forty seven percentage points ahead. amongst those aged over 70, the Conservatives had a lead of fifty percentage points.
In fact, for every 10 years older a voter is, their chance of voting Tory increases by around nine points and the chance of them voting Labour decreases by nine points. The tipping point, that is the age at which a voter is more likely to have voted Conservative than Labour, is now 47 – up from 34 at the start of the campaign."
And for education stats:
"amongst those with low educational qualifications (defined as GCSE or equivalent or below) the Conservatives beat Labour by 22%. However amongst those with high level educational qualifications (defined as degree-level or above) Labour led by 17 percentage points. Part of this relationship is down to age – the expansion of education means that, on average, the young have more qualifications than the old, although the Conservatives still have a “graduate problem” even after accounting for this."
As an educated under 47-year-old...I don't need to say any more.
Read the Yougov survey results.
"In electoral terms, age seems to be the new dividing line in British politics. The starkest way to show this is to note that, amongst first time voters (those aged 18 and 19), Labour was forty seven percentage points ahead. amongst those aged over 70, the Conservatives had a lead of fifty percentage points.
In fact, for every 10 years older a voter is, their chance of voting Tory increases by around nine points and the chance of them voting Labour decreases by nine points. The tipping point, that is the age at which a voter is more likely to have voted Conservative than Labour, is now 47 – up from 34 at the start of the campaign."
And for education stats:
"amongst those with low educational qualifications (defined as GCSE or equivalent or below) the Conservatives beat Labour by 22%. However amongst those with high level educational qualifications (defined as degree-level or above) Labour led by 17 percentage points. Part of this relationship is down to age – the expansion of education means that, on average, the young have more qualifications than the old, although the Conservatives still have a “graduate problem” even after accounting for this."
As an educated under 47-year-old...I don't need to say any more.
RichB said:
dimots said:
Tories are relying increasingly on older voters and the less-educated according to the statistics.
What a ridiculous assumption to reach. Please do tell me how you reached that conclusion from your bar chart? As an example, my Dad had to leave school at 14 in order to go out and work. He'd run rings around most people in a debate. Just because people are not formally educated does not make them imbeciles.
It's also true that the vast majority of people are considerably more idealistic in their earlier years and then change as they progress through life - sure there's a reason that most Socialist parties appear to support a reduction in voting age!
As an aside - the old man was staunch Labour, member of a union for all of his working life. He won't vote for either of the main parties!
dimots said:
This is tragic.
Read the Yougov survey results.
"In electoral terms, age seems to be the new dividing line in British politics. The starkest way to show this is to note that, amongst first time voters (those aged 18 and 19), Labour was forty seven percentage points ahead. amongst those aged over 70, the Conservatives had a lead of fifty percentage points.
In fact, for every 10 years older a voter is, their chance of voting Tory increases by around nine points and the chance of them voting Labour decreases by nine points. The tipping point, that is the age at which a voter is more likely to have voted Conservative than Labour, is now 47 – up from 34 at the start of the campaign."
And for educations stats:
"amongst those with low educational qualifications (defined as GCSE or equivalent or below) the Conservatives beat Labour by 22%. However amongst those with high level educational qualifications (defined as degree-level or above) Labour led by 17 percentage points. Part of this relationship is down to age – the expansion of education means that, on average, the young have more qualifications than the old, although the Conservatives still have a “graduate problem” even after accounting for this."
I don't need to say any more.
Do they have figures for kippers, those would be fun.Read the Yougov survey results.
"In electoral terms, age seems to be the new dividing line in British politics. The starkest way to show this is to note that, amongst first time voters (those aged 18 and 19), Labour was forty seven percentage points ahead. amongst those aged over 70, the Conservatives had a lead of fifty percentage points.
In fact, for every 10 years older a voter is, their chance of voting Tory increases by around nine points and the chance of them voting Labour decreases by nine points. The tipping point, that is the age at which a voter is more likely to have voted Conservative than Labour, is now 47 – up from 34 at the start of the campaign."
And for educations stats:
"amongst those with low educational qualifications (defined as GCSE or equivalent or below) the Conservatives beat Labour by 22%. However amongst those with high level educational qualifications (defined as degree-level or above) Labour led by 17 percentage points. Part of this relationship is down to age – the expansion of education means that, on average, the young have more qualifications than the old, although the Conservatives still have a “graduate problem” even after accounting for this."
I don't need to say any more.
dimots said:
This is tragic.
Read the Yougov survey results..
Indeed it is.... I clicked on the link you provided here: https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=1044X509854&s...Read the Yougov survey results..
But it took me to a home page for a business called BellBoon not the YouGov survey results. More education needed perhaps
dimots said:
This is tragic.
Read the Yougov survey results.
"In electoral terms, age seems to be the new dividing line in British politics. The starkest way to show this is to note that, amongst first time voters (those aged 18 and 19), Labour was forty seven percentage points ahead. amongst those aged over 70, the Conservatives had a lead of fifty percentage points.
In fact, for every 10 years older a voter is, their chance of voting Tory increases by around nine points and the chance of them voting Labour decreases by nine points. The tipping point, that is the age at which a voter is more likely to have voted Conservative than Labour, is now 47 – up from 34 at the start of the campaign."
And for education stats:
"amongst those with low educational qualifications (defined as GCSE or equivalent or below) the Conservatives beat Labour by 22%. However amongst those with high level educational qualifications (defined as degree-level or above) Labour led by 17 percentage points. Part of this relationship is down to age – the expansion of education means that, on average, the young have more qualifications than the old, although the Conservatives still have a “graduate problem” even after accounting for this."
As an educated under 47-year-old...I don't need to say any more.
It seems you're pretty poorly educated if you don't understand the flaws in the above.Read the Yougov survey results.
"In electoral terms, age seems to be the new dividing line in British politics. The starkest way to show this is to note that, amongst first time voters (those aged 18 and 19), Labour was forty seven percentage points ahead. amongst those aged over 70, the Conservatives had a lead of fifty percentage points.
In fact, for every 10 years older a voter is, their chance of voting Tory increases by around nine points and the chance of them voting Labour decreases by nine points. The tipping point, that is the age at which a voter is more likely to have voted Conservative than Labour, is now 47 – up from 34 at the start of the campaign."
And for education stats:
"amongst those with low educational qualifications (defined as GCSE or equivalent or below) the Conservatives beat Labour by 22%. However amongst those with high level educational qualifications (defined as degree-level or above) Labour led by 17 percentage points. Part of this relationship is down to age – the expansion of education means that, on average, the young have more qualifications than the old, although the Conservatives still have a “graduate problem” even after accounting for this."
As an educated under 47-year-old...I don't need to say any more.
RichB said:
Indeed it is.... I clicked on the link you provided here: https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=1044X509854&s...
But it took me to a home page for a business called BellBoon not the YouGov survey results. More education needed perhaps
Not my error, an error with external link tracking from the Haymarket adbutler software. Perhaps you need to educate yourself about how this place is monetized But it took me to a home page for a business called BellBoon not the YouGov survey results. More education needed perhaps
dimots said:
RichB said:
Indeed it is.... I clicked on the link you provided here: https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=1044X509854&s...
But it took me to a home page for a business called BellBoon not the YouGov survey results. More education needed perhaps
Not my error, an error with external link tracking from the Haymarket adbutler software. Perhaps you need to educate yourself about how this place is monetized But it took me to a home page for a business called BellBoon not the YouGov survey results. More education needed perhaps
dimots said:
"amongst those with low educational qualifications (defined as GCSE or equivalent or below) the Conservatives beat Labour by 22%. However amongst those with high level educational qualifications (defined as degree-level or above) Labour led by 17 percentage points. Part of this relationship is down to age – the expansion of education means that, on average, the young have more qualifications than the old, although the Conservatives still have a “graduate problem” even after accounting for this."
Age accounts for most of that. A young person today is over 10 times more likely to go to university than somebody in the 1950/60s and twice as likely as somebody in the 1990s. Given that younger people are more inclined to vote for left leaning parties - it's no wonder the left is somewhat over represented in terms of graduates when you look at the overall figures.
You'd need to break it down by age group to see if there was any correlation between education level and voting.
Also in 2017 there appears to have been a large 'brexit' related protest vote. The distribution of votes amongst the population in the EU referendum was very similar to the distribution of votes in the 2017 general election.
In the 2015 general election - the Conservatives got more votes at all education levels - including graduates.
Moonhawk said:
Age accounts for most of that.
A young person today is over 10 times more likely to go to university than somebody in the 1950/60s and twice as likely as somebody in the 1990s. Given that younger people are more inclined to vote for left leaning parties - it's no wonder the left is somewhat over represented in terms of graduates when you look at the overall figures.
You'd need to break it down by age group to see if there was any correlation between education level and voting.
Also in 2017 there appears to have been a large 'brexit' related protest vote. The distribution of votes amongst the population in the EU referendum was very similar to the distribution of votes in the 2017 general election.
In the 2015 general election - the Conservatives got more votes at all education levels - including graduates.
But in summary, the older you are, or the less educated you are, the more likely you are to be a Tory voter.A young person today is over 10 times more likely to go to university than somebody in the 1950/60s and twice as likely as somebody in the 1990s. Given that younger people are more inclined to vote for left leaning parties - it's no wonder the left is somewhat over represented in terms of graduates when you look at the overall figures.
You'd need to break it down by age group to see if there was any correlation between education level and voting.
Also in 2017 there appears to have been a large 'brexit' related protest vote. The distribution of votes amongst the population in the EU referendum was very similar to the distribution of votes in the 2017 general election.
In the 2015 general election - the Conservatives got more votes at all education levels - including graduates.
dimots said:
Moonhawk said:
Age accounts for most of that.
A young person today is over 10 times more likely to go to university than somebody in the 1950/60s and twice as likely as somebody in the 1990s. Given that younger people are more inclined to vote for left leaning parties - it's no wonder the left is somewhat over represented in terms of graduates when you look at the overall figures.
You'd need to break it down by age group to see if there was any correlation between education level and voting.
Also in 2017 there appears to have been a large 'brexit' related protest vote. The distribution of votes amongst the population in the EU referendum was very similar to the distribution of votes in the 2017 general election.
In the 2015 general election - the Conservatives got more votes at all education levels - including graduates.
But in summary, the older you are, or the less educated you are, the more likely you are to be a Tory voter.A young person today is over 10 times more likely to go to university than somebody in the 1950/60s and twice as likely as somebody in the 1990s. Given that younger people are more inclined to vote for left leaning parties - it's no wonder the left is somewhat over represented in terms of graduates when you look at the overall figures.
You'd need to break it down by age group to see if there was any correlation between education level and voting.
Also in 2017 there appears to have been a large 'brexit' related protest vote. The distribution of votes amongst the population in the EU referendum was very similar to the distribution of votes in the 2017 general election.
In the 2015 general election - the Conservatives got more votes at all education levels - including graduates.
t storm and therefore inclined to stop it happening again?dimots said:
But in summary, the older you are, or the less educated you are, the more likely you are to be a Tory voter.
Age clearly correlates based on the Yougov poll - but you can't draw that conclusion about education level without breaking the age ranges down.How many people in the 18-19 age range that aren't at university voted Tory compared to those who are at university.
Is it coincidence that areas of the country with poor higher education levels also tend to be areas of strong Labour support.
Edited by Moonhawk on Monday 19th June 14:48
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